| --- Log opened Mon Mar 29 00:00:49 2010 |
| 00:01 | <@Vornicus> | The only reliable way, as far as I can tell, to see if you're done, is to catch EOFException. |
| 00:03 | <@Vornicus> | so while (true) is your best bet, I think. |
| 00:03 | < Orthia> | Oh. Lovely. |
| 00:04 | < Orthia> | Though I am used to Try/Catch killing a program |
| 00:04 | < Orthia> | What do I need to code differently to let it do this naturally? |
| 00:05 | <@Vornicus> | Nothing, just don't rethrow! your other try/catches don't kill the program. |
| 00:05 | <@Vornicus> | Indeed that's what try/catch is about, so that it doesn't kill your program. |
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| 00:09 | <@Vornicus> | (the throws thing says the function is allowed to fail as a whole) |
| 00:09 | < Orthia> | bah, if we were returning bytes, we can have a valid end condition |
| 00:09 | <@Vornicus> | I know |
| 00:09 | < Orthia> | Program errors out because while(true) does not allow the return foo; to ever be reached |
| 00:10 | <@Vornicus> | inside the while loop, your try/catch contains the adding in the try, and break; in the catch. |
| 00:12 | < Orthia> | augh |
| 00:13 | < Orthia> | break cannot be used outside of a loop or a switch |
| 00:13 | <@Vornicus> | it should be inside a loop! |
| 00:13 | <@Vornicus> | Show me your code. |
| 00:15 | < Orthia> | nm, got it |
| 00:17 | <@Vornicus> | Show me anyway. |
| 00:17 | < Orthia> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/232 |
| 00:19 | <@Vornicus> | There you go. |
| 00:20 | < Orthia> | That's it? |
| 00:20 | <@Vornicus> | That's it. |
| 00:20 | <@Vornicus> | But you actually want to take an InputStream and then construct a DataInputStream from it. |
| 00:21 | < Orthia> | blarg. Typecasting? |
| 00:21 | <@Vornicus> | No, construct. |
| 00:22 | <@Vornicus> | Can you /please/ read the documentation I link to, it's kind of important. |
| 00:24 | < Orthia> | This is more "How do I apply a constructor to something I am recieving via a function call?" |
| 00:24 | <@Vornicus> | The same way you apply a constructor to anything else! |
| 00:25 | <@Vornicus> | Look at the DataInputStream constructor. What's it take? |
| 00:26 | < Orthia> | InputStream in |
| 00:27 | <@Vornicus> | okay, so to construct a DataInputStream we need an InputStream |
| 00:27 | <@Vornicus> | We should be passing an InputStream into our function anyway |
| 00:28 | < Orthia> | ...oh |
| 00:28 | < Orthia> | DataInputStream input = new DataInputStream(in); |
| 00:28 | <@Vornicus> | exactly |
| 00:28 | < Orthia> | As a decleration? Though that doubles our memory. |
| 00:28 | <@Vornicus> | No it doesn't |
| 00:28 | <@McMartin> | If you're reading things that aren't bytes, you'll need it to be a DataInputStream. |
| 00:29 | < Orthia> | OK. |
| 00:29 | <@Vornicus> | Well, technically it adds a DataInputStream with the in member, but that's all of 8 bytes. |
| 00:29 | <@Vornicus> | Poor us. |
| 00:29 | < Orthia> | McM: We are. |
| 00:29 | < Orthia> | We're also using a try/catch block to end our loop for wont of better methods. |
| 00:29 | <@Vornicus> | We're dragging thousands of objects in anyway! |
| 00:29 | < Orthia> | OK. |
| 00:29 | <@Vornicus> | (each of those Integers is an object) |
| 00:30 | < Orthia> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/233 |
| 00:30 | <@Vornicus> | (technically, again, in the Real World, all of our LZW classes would be stream-in stream-out) |
| 00:30 | <@Vornicus> | There you go. |
| 00:30 | < Orthia> | (I was wondering why we didn't do that, other than it broke our shiny for-loops, but ok) |
| 00:30 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, let's work on listToStream |
| 00:30 | < Orthia> | right |
| 00:31 | <@Vornicus> | Well, it 1. breaks our shiny for-loops and 2. it makes hooking things together kind of a pain, though I guess there is Pipe stuff in here somewhere. |
| 00:32 | <@Vornicus> | ...actually... |
| 00:32 | < Orthia> | OK. listToStream. |
| 00:32 | <@Vornicus> | listToStream is pretty straightforward - we iterate and stuff in. |
| 00:32 | < Orthia> | More than is already present, I presume? |
| 00:32 | <@Vornicus> | Need to wrap DataOutputStream around it and use writeInt, but you get the idea |
| 00:33 | < Orthia> | Another DataOutputStream encoded = new DataOutputStream(in); ? |
| 00:34 | < Orthia> | If so, done. |
| 00:34 | <@Vornicus> | like that except it's out instead of in, as it should also be in the arguments |
| 00:35 | < Orthia> | did that, yeah |
| 00:36 | <@Vornicus> | We also don't need to pull any exception bullshit this time. |
| 00:36 | < Orthia> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/234 |
| 00:37 | <@Vornicus> | Pretty much. |
| 00:37 | < Orthia> | Anything extra? |
| 00:45 | <@Vornicus> | Not that I can think of. |
| 00:45 | <@Vornicus> | If it builds, it's right. |
| 00:47 | < Orthia> | Alright. |
| 00:47 | < Orthia> | So now, how do we use this thing to make our LZW behave itself? |
| 00:48 | <@Vornicus> | No what we can do is get our main to use this whenever it needs to read in or send out integers - reading in for decode or pack, sending out for encode or unpack. |
| 00:49 | < Orthia> | OK |
| 00:49 | <@Vornicus> | Which we'll do now - oh, and |
| 00:49 | < Orthia> | Should Filehandler be static, idly? |
| 00:49 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, those two don't give any state, so static it is. |
| 00:50 | < Orthia> | done |
| 00:50 | < Orthia> | Let's do this. |
| 00:50 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, first things first. |
| 00:51 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 00:51 | < Orthia> | ok |
| 00:52 | <@Vornicus> | We're no longer smart enough to come up with filenames automatically because there's so many possibilities; we want to be able to, instead, convince our command line to take in two filenames. If it's got none it takes in system.in and sends out system.out; if it's only got one then it sends out on system.out |
| 00:52 | < Orthia> | hmm |
| 00:53 | < Orthia> | If it's got two it stores them as FileIn and FileOut? |
| 00:54 | <@Vornicus> | That sort of thing, but watch your case |
| 00:56 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 00:56 | < Orthia> | A quick check - we never want to accept stdinput, but have an output file? |
| 00:58 | <@Vornicus> | nah, cuz we can actually use > and < io redirects in the shell. |
| 00:58 | < Orthia> | OK |
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| 00:59 | < Orthia> | done. |
| 01:00 | < Orthia> | Now to set the meellion flags |
| 01:00 | <@Vornicus> | Showme |
| 01:05 | < Orthia> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/235 |
| 01:05 | <@Vornicus> | Looks good. |
| 01:06 | < Orthia> | Next bit? |
| 01:06 | < Orthia> | (Here's hoping we don't have any bugs in our bitpacker or something...) |
| 01:07 | <@Vornicus> | okay, let's start with ... e, I guess. |
| 01:07 | < Orthia> | aye capn |
| 01:08 | <@Vornicus> | encode() takes in an istream and returns a list; listtostream takes a list and an ostream and fills the stream. fit those together. |
| 01:08 | <@Vornicus> | (oh, and: you're going to want to remove the debugs from encode() and decode() |
| 01:10 | < Orthia> | ok |
| 01:12 | < Orthia> | wait, encode already works doesn't it? |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus> | then decode is streamtolist and decode, pack is streamtolist and pack, unpack is unpack and listtostream |
| 01:12 | <@Vornicus> | encode the function does |
| 01:13 | <@Vornicus> | encode the program action does not yet - we need to get it to write a stream of integers, which is why we fit encode and listtostream together. |
| 01:13 | < Orthia> | oh |
| 01:13 | < Orthia> | It's been outputting a list instead of integers? |
| 01:13 | < Orthia> | OK. |
| 01:15 | < Orthia> | arg |
| 01:15 | < Orthia> | if(compress == 'e') { //Encode |
| 01:15 | < Orthia> | fh.listToStream(LZW.encode(in), out); |
| 01:15 | < Orthia> | for (Integer i : encoded) { |
| 01:15 | < Orthia> | out.write(i); } |
| 01:15 | < Orthia> | What do I need to change the for loop to? |
| 01:16 | < Orthia> | Or do I scrap the for loop entirely? |
| 01:16 | <@Vornicus> | Kill the forloop, it's done. |
| 01:17 | < Orthia> | if(compress == 'e') { //Encode |
| 01:17 | < Orthia> | fh.listToStream(LZW.encode(in), out); |
| 01:17 | < Orthia> | out.write(); |
| 01:17 | < Orthia> | What do I put in the out.write(???); |
| 01:17 | <@Vornicus> | Nothing |
| 01:17 | <@Vornicus> | Kill that too. |
| 01:18 | < Orthia> | OK, will take word for it |
| 01:18 | < Orthia> | Next bit, hm |
| 01:19 | | * Orthia renames 'compress' to 'flag' |
| 01:21 | <@Vornicus> | See if you can do the same thing with the other five, they're not that hard. |
| 01:23 | < Orthia> | OK, the inconsistency between the two directions is pretty awful, but not impossible. |
| 01:23 | <@Vornicus> | Actually all of them are one-liners, I think. |
| 01:31 | < Orthia> | Oh dear, we have bug. |
| 01:31 | <@Vornicus> | ? |
| 01:31 | < Orthia> | sec |
| 01:31 | < Orthia> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/236 |
| 01:31 | < Orthia> | current code. Error incoming. |
| 01:33 | | * McMartin needs to brush off his Objective C. |
| 01:33 | < celticminstrel> | Eep. |
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| 01:34 | < Orthia> | "the cat in the hat shat on the sat" -> "zº\Ê#ê¡u;Ô0¦ ¡zC ïT2! " -> "~h} cat i~ h… s}~o…" |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | What choice? |
| 01:35 | < Orthia> | -e to get first step, -x to get second step. |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | Duh, don't do that |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | -x goes from packed to decoded. -e goes from decoded to encoded. |
| 01:35 | <@Vornicus> | try -e to -d |
| 01:36 | < Orthia> | Sorry, -c |
| 01:36 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, let's try -e to -d first and see what happens |
| 01:37 | < Orthia> | heh |
| 01:38 | < Orthia> | the cat in the hat shat on the sat -> " õ é æ ¡ ä â õ ¡ ê ï ¡ é ¡ ô ð |
| 01:38 | < Orthia> | " -> the cat in the hat shat on the sat |
| 01:39 | < Orthia> | Which suggests two bugs have crept in - our encoder used to shrink a file, butwhatever went wrong is common with the decoder; and our bitpacker/unpacker routines are not symmetrical. |
| 01:39 | <@Vornicus> | No, the encoder used to /lossily/ shrink a file. |
| 01:40 | < Orthia> | Oh. Really? |
| 01:40 | < Orthia> | Then we fixed it and it now bloats things? |
| 01:40 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, it'd only write in one byte. |
| 01:40 | < Orthia> | Pretty sure the spaces are indicative of something, but ok |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | Which when we're working with numbers over 255 -- which is to say, /every/ multi-byte code -- loses the most significant digits. |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | The spaces are nulls. |
| 01:41 | < Orthia> | OK, that's bad |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | No, that's /exactly correct/ |
| 01:41 | < Orthia> | OK. |
| 01:41 | <@Vornicus> | Well, the nulls are correct. |
| 01:42 | <@Vornicus> | The old way was wrong. |
| 01:42 | < Orthia> | So our encoder turns a 34 character file into a 100 character file. |
| 01:42 | <@Vornicus> | Right, because it needs 25 codes, so it needs 4 bytes each. |
| 01:42 | < Orthia> | Okay. That doesn't seem to be a very good compression alograthm, then, but ok |
| 01:42 | < Orthia> | Now what? |
| 01:43 | <@Vornicus> | Our /packer/ takes those 25 codes and stuffs them into 9 bits each, so about 29 bytes. |
| 01:43 | < Orthia> | Let's see if we can get it to work then |
| 01:43 | < Orthia> | I've an hour. |
| 01:43 | <@Vornicus> | Now what we're going to do is see what the packer comes up with. |
| 01:45 | < Orthia> | OK |
| 01:45 | <@McMartin> | Are you writing an LZW compressor as part of something larger, or just for shits and/or giggles? |
| 01:45 | <@Vornicus> | So -c on "the cat in the hat shat on the mat" and also -e, and we'll see what's happening. |
| 01:46 | <@Vornicus> | Assignment. |
| 01:46 | < Orthia> | Bloody good practice, though. |
| 01:47 | <@Vornicus> | Frustrating though, I'm beating my head against "Reiver hasn't done anything near this scale before" a lot, and in Java too, which I think he's never programmed in. |
| 01:47 | < Orthia> | -e: " õ é æ ¡ ä â õ ¡ ê ï ¡ é ¡ ô ð |
| 01:47 | < Orthia> | " |
| 01:48 | <@Vornicus> | And open this stuff up in a hex editor. |
| 01:48 | < Orthia> | Oh. OK. |
| 01:48 | < Orthia> | hm. |
| 01:48 | <@Vornicus> | I need to see the actual bytes instead of the printables because the actual bytes I can look at. |
| 01:51 | <@Vornicus> | And tell if the packer is working. |
| 01:54 | < Orthia> | blarg. Know any usable windows hex editors? |
| 01:56 | | * Orthia tries one, discards. Downloads another. |
| 01:58 | < Orthia> | ... wtf |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | If you find one, let me know~ |
| 01:58 | < Orthia> | I don't suppose z<bh:ba>\\<bh:ca><bh:17>#<bh:89><bh:ea><bh:a1>u;<bh:d4>0<bh:18><bh:1b><bh:a6><bh :0c><bh:a1>zC<bh:a0><bh:ef><bh:08>T2!<bh:06><bh:00><bh:00> is readable to you? |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | "<bh:..>" is odd. |
| 01:58 | <@McMartin> | If you want a hex *dumper*, three lines of python should get you what you need. |
| 01:59 | <@Vornicus> | Heck, it's not that hard in java either. |
| 02:01 | < Orthia> | OK, encoded: <bh:00 00 00 f5 00 00 00 e9 00 00 00 e6 00 00 00 a1 00 00 00 e4 00 00 00 e2 00 00 00 f5 00 00 00 a1 00 00 00 ea 00 00 00 ef 00 00 00 a1 00 00 01 01 00 00 01 03 00 00 00 e9 00 00 01 06 00 00 00 a1 00 00 00 f4 00 00 01 0e 00 00 01 07 00 00 00 f0 00 00 01 00 00 01 0c 00 00 01 10 00 00 01 06 00 00 00 00 |
| 02:03 | < Orthia> | Ignore the bh at the start of that. |
| 02:04 | < Orthia> | oh, blarg, that's not right either |
| 02:04 | < Orthia> | haaaate |
| 02:04 | <@Vornicus> | the encoded looks right. |
| 02:08 | < Orthia> | compressed, I think: ba ca 17 89 ea a1 d4 18 1b a6 0c a1 a0 ef 08 06 00 00 |
| 02:09 | < Orthia> | I was hand-cleaning it though, so can't be certain. Damned thing |
| 02:09 | <@Vornicus> | no those other letters are in there too. |
| 02:09 | <@Vornicus> | Sort of |
| 02:09 | < Orthia> | So what have we got here? |
| 02:12 | < Orthia> | Or is this what you wanted: z ba \\ ca 17 # 89 ea a1 u; d4 0 18 1b a6 0c a1 zC a0 ef 08 T2! 06 00 00 |
| 02:20 | < Orthia> | aha, am still here. Goodo. |
| 02:22 | <@Vornicus> | sort of too; what I /really/ want is those \s and letters and stuff expanded to hex. |
| 02:23 | <@Vornicus> | (I had to eat dinner) |
| 02:23 | < Orthia> | I really don't know how to do that, sorry :/ |
| 02:24 | < Orthia> | Unless I just send you the file. |
| 02:24 | <@Vornicus> | do that |
| 02:24 | < Orthia> | here's hoping it works~ |
| 02:25 | <@Vornicus> | and in Python it's: " ".join(map(lambda x: "%02x" % asc(x), file(filename).read())) |
| 02:25 | < Orthia> | emailed, sent |
| 02:25 | < Orthia> | nightstar addy |
| 02:25 | <@Vornicus> | k |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | sorry, ord, not asc, but yeah, that's it |
| 02:29 | < Orthia> | got it? |
| 02:29 | <@Vornicus> | yes. |
| 02:29 | <@Vornicus> | Examining now. |
| 02:29 | < Orthia> | ok |
| 02:29 | | * Orthia suspects it's his depacker that's doing it. |
| 02:31 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, the packer appears correct. |
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| 02:32 | < Orthia> | And also the depacker is a hackjob of two lumps of code |
| 02:32 | <@Vornicus> | Man packing by hand is a pain. |
| 02:32 | < Orthia> | I would not be surprised if a Stupid Error made it in |
| 02:32 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, let's look at the unpacker. |
| 02:33 | < Orthia> | http://pastebin.starforge.co.uk/237 |
| 02:37 | | * Vornicus examines. |
| 02:38 | <@Vornicus> | What do you get when you lzw -u test-c.txt.lzw |
| 02:41 | < Orthia> | ÿ é þ ¡ ä â õ ¡ ê ÿ ¡ é ¡ ô þ ÿ ð |
| 02:41 | < Orthia> | |
| 02:41 | < Orthia> | 100 bytes, but by the looks of things the wrong hundred. |
| 02:42 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah. mail that to me too? |
| 02:43 | < Orthia> | emailed |
| 02:44 | <@Vornicus> | Very strange |
| 02:44 | < Alek> | can anyone tell me what the E, N, and EN editions are/mean? |
| 02:44 | < Orthia> | It's in the depacker, I'm mildly certain. Not least because I wrote that thing at like 11 at night. A bracket placed wrong? |
| 02:45 | | * Vornicus examines Orthia's guru meditations |
| 02:46 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, this is a wild-ass guess. |
| 02:46 | < Orthia> | Go for it |
| 02:46 | <@Vornicus> | line 147, try buffer[i] & 0xff |
| 02:47 | <@Vornicus> | instead of just buffer[i] |
| 02:47 | < Orthia> | giving us bin |= buffer[i] & 0xff; yes? |
| 02:47 | <@Vornicus> | yes |
| 02:47 | <@Vornicus> | I /think/ it's saying "that's a byte! gotta turn it into an int to or it... which means extending the sign bit out, and this is negative!" |
| 02:48 | < Orthia> | heh |
| 02:48 | < Orthia> | the cat in h… so… |
| 02:48 | <@Vornicus> | that & will clear the high bytes. |
| 02:48 | < Orthia> | Progress! |
| 02:48 | <@Vornicus> | Yes indeed. |
| 02:48 | < Orthia> | Now for the obviously-other-bug. |
| 02:49 | <@Vornicus> | okay, -c -> -u again |
| 02:50 | < Orthia> | õ é æ ¡ ä â õ ¡ ê ï ¡ é ¡ ô ð |
| 02:50 | < Orthia> | |
| 02:50 | < Alek> | anyone? ;_; |
| 02:50 | < Orthia> | ... that's pretty close |
| 02:50 | < Orthia> | Alek: Ask in 10 mins, when I've gone to class, plz~ |
| 02:50 | < Alek> | mk |
| 02:50 | < Orthia> | (Also: Ack, T-5 ) |
| 02:50 | <@Vornicus> | Alek: dunno evencontext. |
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| 02:51 | < Orthia> | Though I'll come back after class to look at it more, of course. |
| 02:51 | <@Vornicus> | OH |
| 02:51 | <@Vornicus> | Isee it I see it I see it |
| 02:51 | < Orthia> | TELL ME PLEASE OH TELL ME |
| 02:51 | <@Vornicus> | 152, replace 8 with bitCount |
| 02:52 | < Orthia> | the cat in the hat shat on the sat |
| 02:52 | < Orthia> | I told you it was a typo on my part |
| 02:53 | < Orthia> | ~ |
| 02:53 | <@Vornicus> | VICTORY |
| 02:53 | < Orthia> | HOORAY |
| 02:53 | < Orthia> | oh god we never did do the trie size limited did we, /fuckit/ |
| 02:53 | < Alek> | Windows 7 versions, apparently. separate from the home/pro/ultimate versioning (as in, each one can be under each of those) |
| 02:53 | < Orthia> | I am happy and call that victoly. |
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| 02:54 | | * Orthia woos, goes to class. |
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| 03:04 | <@Vornicus> | Orthia: whenyou come back we can go at it. |
| 03:25 | < Orthia> | Har har har |
| 03:25 | < Orthia> | It isn't for an hour, %$#@! phone |
| 03:25 | < Orthia> | Well, not an hour |
| 03:25 | < Orthia> | More like, um, half an hour before I go again, but |
| 03:25 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah |
| 03:28 | <@Vornicus> | (it'll take longer than half an hour to do bit-limiting) |
| 03:31 | < Orthia> | that can't be right what is going on. |
| 03:32 | < Orthia> | Vorn: I am inputting Lorem Ipsum, taken verbatim from your pythoncode |
| 03:32 | < Orthia> | It is outputting "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipi" |
| 03:33 | < celticminstrel> | Is that good? |
| 03:33 | < Orthia> | No, because it's clipping the rest of the message |
| 03:33 | < Orthia> | it appears to be the fault of the encoder |
| 03:34 | < Orthia> | Cat on the hat string however, still works fine |
| 03:34 | < Orthia> | It would seem that it behaves but it does not behave on large files. |
| 03:34 | <@Vornicus> | ...very strange |
| 03:35 | <@Vornicus> | Very very strange! |
| 03:36 | <@Vornicus> | there isn't any effective limit here... |
| 03:36 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, about how long is -e? |
| 03:38 | < Orthia> | 164 bytes |
| 03:39 | < Orthia> | Would you like the files before I go? |
| 03:40 | <@Vornicus> | Yeah, and if you could pack up your program and send /that/ to me that'd be nice. |
| 03:40 | < Orthia> | OK |
| 03:40 | < Orthia> | You got Eclipse? |
| 03:40 | <@Vornicus> | (so I can also throw things at it) |
| 03:40 | <@Vornicus> | I can. |
| 03:41 | < celticminstrel> | Probably shouldn't need Eclipse. |
| 03:41 | < Orthia> | Galileo version |
| 03:42 | < celticminstrel> | ? |
| 03:46 | < Orthia> | sent |
| 03:46 | < Orthia> | gotit? |
| 03:47 | <@Vornicus> | Got. |
| 03:47 | <@Vornicus> | Thank you. |
| 03:48 | < Orthia> | On one hand, ARG |
| 03:48 | < Orthia> | On the other hand, thankfuckItriedbeforehandingin |
| 03:49 | | * Orthia now goes to class again. again. >_> |
| 03:50 | <@Vornicus> | I don't see any reason for it to do this, I'm gonna need to throw it through a debugger. |
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| 04:24 | | * Vornicus clears some warnings. |
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| 04:32 | | * Vornicus also cleans up the "help" string, and removes debugs. |
| 04:33 | | * Vornicus then gets around to trying Lorem. |
| 04:34 | <@Vornicus> | ...assuming I can find the button. |
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| 04:39 | < Alek> | so. |
| 04:39 | < Alek> | very. |
| 04:39 | < Alek> | annoying. |
| 04:39 | | * Alek shiftyeyes. |
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| 04:42 | < Alek> | gr. |
| 04:43 | < Alek> | I may have to actually buy a valid key. $220 or so. |
| 04:43 | < Alek> | ¬_¬ |
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| 04:46 | | * Vornicus fails miserably at finding a button. |
| 04:56 | < Serah> | And so the epic quest to find the button commences. |
| 04:56 | < Serah> | And our stalwart heroes will be sent on many trials before being faced with the ultimate test of ... codemanship? |
| 05:00 | < Serah> | In the end, will they prevail? Or will they succumb to their doom? |
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| 05:49 | | * Vornicus fiddles with it, gives up. There's nothing wrong at all with this code, it should work on big things. |
| 05:49 | <@Vornicus> | and bedtime. |
| 05:49 | | Vornicus is now known as Vornicus-Latens |
| 05:53 | < Serah> | When I have such issues, I find rewriting the code tends to work. |
| 05:53 | < Serah> | Although depending on the length of the code, it might not be a feasible solution. |
| 06:05 | | * Orth args, for he just got home. |
| 06:05 | < Orth> | Vornicus: The button you wanted was the green arrow at the top of the toolbar that highlighted to 'run'. The menu beside it lets you configure the arguements you send it. |
| 06:07 | < Orth> | Serah: Did Vornicus put anything between "Vornicus clears some strings" and my rejoining? |
| 06:07 | < Orth> | er, "Clears some warnings." |
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| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | 8:32 PM: Vornicus also cleans up the "help" string, and removes debugs. |
| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | 8:33 PM: Vornicus then gets around to trying Lorem. |
| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | 8:34 PM: Vornicus: ...assuming I can find the button. |
| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | That's it. |
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| 06:16 | <@Derakon> | Er, wait, you saw that. So no, nothing. |
| 06:17 | < Orthia> | Gah |
| 06:17 | < Orthia> | The bug really /is/ there. |
| 06:18 | | Orth [orthianz@Nightstar-a9a3a706.xnet.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 121 seconds] |
| 06:18 | < Orthia> | And I don't know where it is! |
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| 06:21 | < Orthia> | HAH |
| 06:22 | | * Orthia starts checking. 87 characters. |
| 06:23 | < Orthia> | 48. |
| 06:23 | < Orthia> | HOWEVER |
| 06:24 | < Orthia> | JEdit complains it has a character it cannot comprehend. |
| 06:25 | < Orthia> | ... I wonder |
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| 07:12 | < Orthia> | HAH FOUND YOU YE BASTAGE |
| 07:12 | < Orthia> | ... and you're hiding another one damn your hide |
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| 07:34 | < Serah> | Reiver: Yes. |
| 07:34 | < Serah> | Oh, wait, there. No. |
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| 08:51 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
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| 09:41 | <@McMartin> | Well, that's a start |
| 09:41 | <@McMartin> | 2010-03-29 01:39:43.203 extend[2783:903] Detected UQM version 0.6.0 at /Applications/The Ur-Quan Masters.app |
| 09:41 | <@McMartin> | That's also going through LaunchServices, so as long as the command 'open -a "The Ur-Quan Masters"' will work, it should find it no matter where it is |
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| 10:21 | | * Thalass eyes ubuntu |
| 10:22 | < Thalass> | Apparently in 10.04 and forever more, the window control buttons (minimise, maximise, exit) are now going to be on the left. |
| 10:22 | < Thalass> | Which seems silly, as those buttons on the right is pretty much standard across all OSes, even macs! |
| 10:22 | < Thalass> | And I thought the whole point of Ubuntu was to make things easier |
| 10:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Thalass: we Enlightenment users mock your simplistic conceptions of where buttons should go. |
| 10:31 | <~Reiver> Thal: They wanted to be different. |
| 10:31 | <~Reiver> What they failed to do was pay attention to the idea that sometimes, staying the same is healthy. |
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| 10:55 | < Thalass> | indeed. Changing some things is good, but fundamental things like that is not so good |
| 10:56 | | * Thalass also finds this Enlightenment thing interesting |
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| 11:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | In Debian 5, how do I check what's eating up all my resources? |
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| 12:00 | | * TheWatcher would use 'top' from a terminal |
| 12:02 | <@TheWatcher> | (once it is running, press s and then 1 to make it update faster, 1 on its own toggles CPU display mode, o and then adjust the fields to change the sort mode, h should be help) |
| 12:02 | <@AnnoDomini> | There seems to be a nano on a different user, eating up 95% of the CPU. |
| 12:04 | <@AnnoDomini> | And it seems to be immune to pkill. >:( |
| 12:06 | <@TheWatcher> | run top as root, (sudo top), get the process id, hit k, enter the ID, give it signal 9 |
| 12:06 | <@TheWatcher> | (or sudo kill -9 <pid>) |
| 12:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yay. |
| 12:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | It worked. |
| 12:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | Thanks. |
| 12:10 | <@TheWatcher> | (explanation: normally when you kill a process it gets sent signal 15 "SIGTERM", which is a polite request to terminate, and it can be trapped and ignored. Sending a process signal 9 "SIGKILL" is for when you really mean it - it can't be trapped or ignored, and it forces a process to exit. However, even that can fail in certain situations (like the process is blocked waiting on hardware)) |
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| 12:59 | | * Reiver hurls Vornicus at the screaming madness that is Dynamic Programming. Specifically, the knapsack problem. Even more specifically, the Knapsack Problem with non-integer values. |
| 12:59 | | * Reiver watches the Elder God see the face of true screaming madness... |
| 13:04 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Yay, knapsack |
| 13:04 | <@AnnoDomini> | What are you using to model this? |
| 13:04 | < gnolam> | In general, the non-integer knapsack is a heck of a lot easier than the integer one... |
| 13:05 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Thal: on Mac, those buttons areon the left. |
| 13:06 | < gnolam> | (As in "Depending on the specifics of the problem, the greedy solution might just be the optimal solution") |
| 13:06 | | * AnnoDomini would either check all combinations, or otherwise compute the value/weight ratio and just pack the best ratio goods first until there was no room. |
| 13:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | The knapsack problem is one I deal with daily, seeing as I play RPGs. |
| 13:07 | | * gnolam stuffs AnnoDomini into a Simplex of Holding. |
| 13:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
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| 16:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Reiver: memoization == screaming madness? |
| 16:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | whut? |
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| 16:48 | < Bobsentme> | No no no...the screaming madness is from the raging marshmellow men I just threw into the fire. |
| 16:48 | < Bobsentme> | They're angry because I didn't throw in chocolate or grahm crackers with them. |
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| 17:06 | < PinkFreud> | Stay-Puft! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
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| 22:38 | <@Vornicus> | Reiver: made any progress on that size problem? I haven't figured it out. |
| 22:40 | <@Vornicus> | Reiver is not here. |
| 22:40 | <@Vornicus> | flibblecakes. |
| 22:42 | < Bobsentme> | The Reiver you seek is currently out Reiving. Please leave your nick and password at the beep, and he'll PWN! you later: *BEEEEEP* |
| 22:42 | <@Vornicus> | heh |
| 22:43 | <@AnnoDomini> | Reiver is actually the fourth Raver, brother to samadhi Sheol, moksha Jehannum and turiya Herem. |
| 22:45 | <@Vornicus> | That didn't even make sense. |
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| 23:13 | <@Vornicus> | there is reiver. |
| 23:13 | <@Vornicus> | Did you make any progress on that size problem? |
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| 23:45 | | * Vornicus finds himself pondering cellular automata models of liquid dynamics, for no good reason. |
| 23:56 | <@Attilla> | cellular automata? |
| 23:58 | < jerith> | Conway's Game of Life. |
| 23:58 | < jerith> | (Plus nigh-infinite variations.) |
| 23:58 | <@Attilla> | Everyone loves making the infinite glider rebound chamber |
| 23:58 | <@Attilla> | Or whatever that was called. |
| 23:58 | < gnolam> | Plus whatever crap Stephen Wolfram is spewing at the moment. :P |
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