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| 12:31 | | * gnolam stabs Visio. |
| 12:40 | < gnolam> | Seriously. 13 character width on the type column? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea. |
| 12:45 | < gnolam> | Of course, it hadn't been so bad if it had actually remembered its new width after resizing. |
| 12:45 | < gnolam> | But noo. You have to resize it to a decent width /every single time/ you want to add an attribute or operation. |
| 12:49 | <@TheWatcher> | ... ow |
| 13:25 | < gnolam> | For those of you who haven't used it, I guess I should also add that if you go over the 13 characters, it helpfully replaces the last 3 characters with "..." - so in practice you only get /10/ characters displayed. Oh, and the types are namespaced, e.g. "C++::Unsigned Int", so even basic types are affected. :P |
| 13:31 | < gnolam> | Oh well. Now I'm done with it, and won't have to touch the goddamned thing for at least half a year. |
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| 14:19 | < Tarinaky_> | I'm trying to work out how to draw scrollbars for a widget I'm drawing geometry to with GDI+. |
| 14:20 | < Tarinaky_> | I can't find a 'scrollbar' widget in the toolbox and autoscroll doesn't appear to work. |
| 14:24 | < Tarinaky_> | And by doesn't appear to work I mean "I can't get them to appear" |
| 14:24 | < Tarinaky_> | Suggestions? |
| 14:47 | < Tarinaky_> | Ahah. I found some scrollbar widgets hidden away. |
| 14:48 | < Tarinaky_> | Just need to figure out how to 'grab' their values so I can perform translations on my hand-drawn objects based on their states. |
| 14:52 | < Tarinaky_> | Ahah! It's that simple :D |
| 15:00 | < Tarinaky_> | Grr. I can't figure out how to invalidate the window though :/ |
| 15:04 | < Tarinaky_> | Yay \0/ works. |
| 15:06 | < Tarinaky_> | Now I need to figure out how to store/load the geometry. |
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| 15:25 | < Tarinaky_> | Trying to decide if I should dig out the api for XML or the api for text files. |
| 15:25 | < Tarinaky_> | Both have their respective problems/gains. |
| 15:35 | < Tarinaky_> | Okay. I'm actually a bit confused as to where I'm supposed to store the data I'm operating on :/ |
| 15:36 | <@TheWatcher> | Tarinaky_: ~/ ¬¬ |
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| 15:39 | < Tarinaky_> | TheWatcher, 1)VC++/Window development. |
| 15:39 | < Tarinaky_> | TheWatcher, I meant the data I want in ram. |
| 15:39 | < Tarinaky_> | VC++ is very confusing. |
| 15:40 | < Tarinaky_> | There doesn't seem to be a class corresponding to my GUI. |
| 15:40 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm beginning to come to the conclusion that this is some kind of contractual obligation for creating a compiler on windows |
| 15:40 | < Tarinaky_> | There's a namespace though. |
| 15:40 | < Tarinaky_> | I tried adding a std::map<int> to the namespace and got an odd error message. |
| 15:40 | < Tarinaky_> | I also don't think it's 'right'. |
| 15:41 | < Tarinaky_> | So I'm looking to see if there's a 'stock' way of associating a gui with a file. |
| 15:41 | < Tarinaky_> | Since that's my intention anyway. |
| 15:41 | | * Tarinaky_ is flying by the seat of his pants >.> |
| 15:41 | | * TheWatcher purposefully avoids the windows API whenever humanly possible as the entire thing is made of spiders and madness. |
| 15:42 | < Tarinaky_> | This isn't the Windows API. |
| 15:42 | < Tarinaky_> | They replaced the Windows API with other APIs. |
| 15:42 | < Tarinaky_> | These APIs have APIs to communicate between each other... |
| 15:42 | < Tarinaky_> | In short: They added more spiders. |
| 15:43 | < Tarinaky_> | To the best of my knowledge I'm using something called 'MFC' and 'GDI+'. |
| 15:43 | <@TheWatcher> | I still count them as part of the windows API |
| 15:43 | <@TheWatcher> | may not be technically /accurate/ but it still works under the banner of "fucked up enough" |
| 15:44 | < Tarinaky_> | Sadly, I'm stuck with it. |
| 15:45 | < Tarinaky_> | I can't wait for all of this to be over so I can go back to ncurses >.> |
| 16:02 | < Tarinaky_> | Still - anyone have the misfortune of being familiar with v studio? |
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| 17:09 | < gnolam> | Well that was surprisingly painless. |
| 17:11 | | * gnolam is now on Win7. |
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| 23:31 | < gnolam> | Yay! Windows 7's sound system is actually non-broken! |
| 23:31 | <@Vornicus> | Yy! |
| 23:32 | <@AnnoDomini> | Y! |
| 23:32 | < gnolam> | Now plugging in your headphones - so Windows switches output devices - doesn't cause sound-using applications to die a horrible death. |
| 23:34 | < gnolam> | Also, I don't have to pretend to switch to a different speaker setup to get the rear speakers (i.e. my TV) working. |
| 23:34 | < gnolam> | And Explorer actually works again (I still have no idea how they managed to fuck that one up in Vista). |
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| 23:43 | < gnolam> | In other news, Youtube turns 5. That just feels... wrong. |
| 23:43 | < gnolam> | I can hardly remember pre-Youtube Internet. :o |
| 23:45 | <@McMartin> | I have to cast back |
| 23:45 | <@McMartin> | But I have memories of pre-Google Internet |
| 23:45 | <@McMartin> | And newsgroups |
| 23:46 | <@McMartin> | All you kids, off my lawn |
| 23:46 | | * Derakon remembers hanging out on rec.games.roguelike.angband back in the day. |
| 23:49 | | * gnolam remembers browsing the young web with Mosaic. |
| 23:49 | < gnolam> | And what a godsend Netscape was. |
| 23:51 | < gnolam> | But just 5 years ago, just what the heck did one do on the web when there was no Youtube? :) |
| 23:51 | <@Derakon> | Lurk in forums. |
| 23:51 | < Namegduf> | IRC. |
| 23:51 | < Namegduf> | Although you did say "web". |
| 23:51 | < Namegduf> | So, hmm, mostly used it as an informational resource. |
| 23:52 | | * Namegduf dislikes forums |
| 23:52 | < celticminstrel> | I remember pre-Google... somewhat... |
| 23:52 | < celticminstrel> | I used search engines like AltaVista. |
| 23:52 | <@Derakon> | I used Metacrawler, IIRC. |
| 23:53 | < Namegduf> | I don't remember pre-Google. |
| 23:53 | < celticminstrel> | And there was a nice "NEAR" keyword that specified that the terms must appear within about 10 words of each other. |
| 23:58 | < gnolam> | Oh don't worry. We're almost back at the pre-Google state already, what with Google's stalwart resolve to decrease the quality of their searches and all. It already feels like you're back with AltaVista, having to plus prefix every goddamned search term! |
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