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| 13:27 | < gnolam> | Gah |
| 13:28 | < gnolam> | Google Sites could really use an e-mail digest feature. |
| 13:28 | | * gnolam has 42 new messages! |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Suggest it to them |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | They tend to be quite receptive to such things |
| 13:32 | <@TheWatcher> | (IME at least) |
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| 18:20 | <@Derakon[work]> | For those of you who have worked on Windows: how difficult is it to non-destructively install upgraded Python/Python libs? |
| 18:21 | <@Derakon[work]> | I want to try to upgrade the microscope software's dependencies, but I'm worried that something will break and then be unrecoverable. |
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| 20:41 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Derakon[work]: can you mirror the harddrive? |
| 20:43 | < Derakon[work]> | Um, maybe? |
| 20:43 | < Derakon[work]> | I've never had to do admin-type stuff before, but yeah, that sounds like it'd work. |
| 20:43 | < Derakon[work]> | Just make a copy of the drive, and restore the copy if we FUBAR things. |
| 20:44 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yup |
| 20:45 | < Derakon[work]> | Do you know offhand if library installs on Windows are destructive? |
| 20:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | I assume you'd use linux to copy the partition. I don't know if you can do it from windows |
| 20:45 | < Derakon[work]> | Mm. Get a live CD and a spare HD and run dd, I guess? |
| 20:45 | < Rhamphoryncus> | no clue.. hrm, although, can't you also get python to bundle with an exe so it doesn't install? |
| 20:46 | < Rhamphoryncus> | yup |
| 20:46 | < Derakon[work]> | Rhamphoryncus: er, maybe? |
| 20:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | http://www.py2exe.org/ |
| 20:47 | < Derakon[work]> | Ah, that. |
| 20:47 | < Rhamphoryncus> | Probably won't help though |
| 20:47 | < Derakon[work]> | That would be an option if we had a separate dev/prod environment. |
| 20:48 | < Derakon[work]> | Build the .exe on dev, transfer it to prod, prod just needs the .exe and space for data files. |
| 20:48 | < Derakon[work]> | Unfortunately, dev is prod, and will be for quite some time...bah. So much to do. |
| 20:48 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It may not like third-party libraries either |
| 20:48 | < KazWork> | We use that to distribute our programs. |
| 20:49 | < KazWork> | works fairly well. |
| 20:49 | < Derakon[work]> | Rhamphoryncus: I had no trouble making working .exes for Fusillade, which depends on PyGame. |
| 20:49 | < Rhamphoryncus> | oh. Apparently I'm ignorant then :D |
| 20:49 | < KazWork> | works fine with wxwindows too. |
| 20:49 | < Derakon[work]> | Nae worries. :) |
| 20:49 | < Rhamphoryncus> | It's sometimes nice to be debunked |
| 21:43 | < gnolam> | TheWatcher: I think I will. But it doesn't help me /now/. :P |
| 21:45 | < gnolam> | In other news, am I the only one who feels that "symbolic computation" should be a field of study containing more pentagrams? |
| 21:45 | < Nathia> | http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/cpg/1395980652.html |
| 21:45 | < Nathia> | :D |
| 21:49 | <@McMartin> | py2exe is great stuff, but not what he needs here |
| 21:49 | <@McMartin> | As for library installs on Windows, they can be, but usually aren't; the first part of the DLL search path is the .exe's own path. |
| 21:49 | <@McMartin> | Which serves much the same purpose as BundleName.app/Contents/MacOS/Frameworks |
| 21:50 | <@McMartin> | Installing to \WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 is destructive, don't do it |
| 21:50 | <@McMartin> | There's a wacky and horrendous side-by-side assembly mechanism starting in XP and actually exposed in Vista that is wacky and horrendous; don't use it |
| 21:50 | < Derakon[work]> | So if I install Python 2.6 at e.g. C:\Python\Python26 or whatever, then libraries will also install under that directory |
| 21:50 | <@McMartin> | Generally, yes. |
| 21:51 | <@McMartin> | C:\Python\Python26\lib, IIRC |
| 21:51 | < Derakon[work]> | Okay, that's good. |
| 21:51 | <@McMartin> | I have three versions of Python installed on Zinglon now, they don't conflict |
| 21:51 | < Derakon[work]> | I'll have to check where Python is actually installed here, but I sincerely hope that the original dev didn't get fancy there. |
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| 22:53 | | * Derakon[work] discovers Python 2.6 is already installed, though there are some dependency issues to work out before it's actually usable. |
| 22:53 | < Derakon[work]> | I'm also going to have to be very careful while managing my boss. |
| 22:53 | < Derakon[work]> | He worked a bit on computers thirty years or so ago, which is impressive but gives him some odd ideas. |
| 22:54 | < Derakon[work]> | For example, he put forth the idea that Windows itself might be responsible for our crash. Theoretically possible, but implausible. |
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| 23:29 | <@TheWatcher> | AARGH |
| 23:31 | <@TheWatcher> | I'm establishing the top left corner of this DOM element correctly, setting the top: and left: of this position: absolute div to the same place, but the "*£&!ing thing is coming out 50 pixelsmore down the page than it should, WTF |
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| 23:31 | < Derakon[work]> | margin-top:-50px |
| 23:31 | <@TheWatcher> | Hah |
| 23:32 | <@TheWatcher> | I'd sooner try to work out where this blasted thing is getting those 50 pixels from |
| 23:32 | <@TheWatcher> | which is probably going to involve a descent into hell and madness that'd put Dante to shame... |
| 23:32 | < Derakon[work]> | Have fun! |
| 23:51 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 23:51 | <@TheWatcher[T-2]> | Ugh, I give up for tonight |
| 23:52 | < Derakon[work]> | Night. |
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