| --- Log opened Sun Sep 20 00:00:32 2009 |
| 00:12 | <@McMarrrtin> | There ought to be some out there. |
| 00:13 | <@McMarrrtin> | http://msquaredtechnologies.com/m2rsm/index.htm seems to have a free version |
| 00:14 | <@McMarrrtin> | Hm, but it's only good for up to 20 files, which is not remotely enough. |
| 00:15 | <@McMarrrtin> | Tragically, most of my searches are returning the *result* of running metrics on OSS stuff, not OSS metric analyzers |
| 00:17 | <@McMarrrtin> | OK, I'm not finding anything I don't think you've already found yourself. |
| 00:20 | < gnolam> | I'm trying out "SourceMonitor" right now. Seems to do what I want. |
| 00:22 | <@McMarrrtin> | Good deal |
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| 00:44 | < gnolam> | Yep, SourceMonitor works for me. |
| 00:45 | < gnolam> | Ticket closed. |
| 00:47 | | * McMarrrtin makes a note of it for his own sinister purposes |
| 00:52 | < gnolam> | Now that I think about it, issue tracking jargon is actually pretty bizarre. |
| 00:52 | < gnolam> | I mean, you have the whole ticket analogy, and then you... open and close tickets? |
| 00:53 | < gnolam> | That would get you yelled at by the interpreter in any adventure game.~ |
| 00:57 | <@McMarrrtin> | Well, CLOSE CASE probably would too~ |
| 00:57 | <@McMarrrtin> | I make a point of having TAKE SEAT work as expected in mine, though, if I can. |
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| 01:26 | <@Derakon> | I guess the "ticket" concept was inspired by the "please take a number" systems for queues? |
| 01:30 | < gnolam> | It was. |
| 01:39 | < gnolam> | And then someone crapped all over the analogy with "open" and "close" instead of something like "hand out"/"receive" and "discard". |
| 01:39 | | * gnolam stabs OpenGL. |
| 01:40 | < gnolam> | OpenGL is pretty darned neat to have around, but the WTF/(design decision) ratio is frighteningly high. |
| 01:44 | <@McMarrrtin> | Most of that follows from its initial design goal of being usable on remote displays. |
| 01:44 | <@McMarrrtin> | I liken OpenGL programming to programming a robot to go toggle in a program on the computer you actually want running your code. |
| 01:49 | < gnolam> | Well, that's one part of it - but most of the client/server nonsense is in the ancient, dusty "Here Be Dragons" parts of OpenGL. |
| 01:49 | <@McMarrrtin> | Well, right, but the glVertex2f wackiness and the state-basedness everywhere and all that all sort of flows from it. |
| 01:49 | <@McMarrrtin> | It's not only Dragons, but dinosaurs. |
| 01:50 | <@McMarrrtin> | They have a strong influence on the birds you see in the end. =) |
| 01:50 | <@McMarrrtin> | Though I don't know which bits in particular you mean; my OpenGL knowledge basically ends at 1.2. =/ |
| 01:51 | < gnolam> | Then there's the "WTUHF were they smoking?" non-client/server-related ancient decisions, like going with degrees instead of radians in the transformation ops. |
| 01:52 | < gnolam> | (Although they're deprecated anyway, since you roll your own matrices in most "serious" uses anyway) |
| 01:52 | < gnolam> | But there's plenty of WTF in modern OpenGL as well. :P |
| 01:52 | <@McMarrrtin> | I have not yet decided whether or not using mathematical sign conventions instead of screen-coordinate ones is WTF or not. |
| 01:52 | <@McMarrrtin> | It's both burned me and made my life way easier at different times. |
| 01:52 | < gnolam> | Decidedly non-WTF. |
| 01:53 | <@McMarrrtin> | "VIEW FRUSTUM CULLING: This project doesn't actually use this technique, but "view frustum culling" is fun to say." |
| 01:54 | < gnolam> | Whenever I hear of frustum culling, I get the mental image of a frustum as some sort of small, furry animal. |
| 01:55 | <@McMarrrtin> | Fun fact: I got partial credit for View Frustum Culling anyway for that project. |
| 01:55 | <@McMarrrtin> | It was a camera moving ever-forward over a scene, and it would stop rendering stuff once the camera finished moving over it. |
| 01:56 | < gnolam> | "During so-called 'Frustum Years', the villagers take their clubs and get together in a great frustum culling, to protect their crops and gather meat for the winter." |
| 01:56 | <@McMarrrtin> | However, it did that independently of the actual view, so no full credit~ |
| 01:56 | <@McMarrrtin> | That absolutely needs to be read in Stephen Fry's voice. |
| 01:58 | < gnolam> | I wonder how many people one could get to sign a petition to "Save the wild frustum!" or "Stop the inhumane killing of frustum!"? |
| 02:00 | <@McMarrrtin> | "of the noble frustum" |
| 02:00 | <@McMarrrtin> | "frusta" doesn't have the same ring, so you've got to keep it singular all the time. |
| 02:02 | <@Kazriko> | gnolam, probably, quite a few. |
| 02:02 | < gnolam> | "The wild frustum is in a precarious situation. Modern technology has lowered the bar and made frustum culling all too easy - what was once practiced only by niche groups has now become a common sight over its entire habitat" |
| 02:03 | <@Kazriko> | I think it was penn and teller that took the DHMO petition around washington dc and got huge numbers of signatures... |
| 02:04 | <@Kazriko> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw |
| 02:04 | < gnolam> | I got 350 people to sign a petition for the "International Cartographic Association to take its responsibility and move the Magnetic North Pole to the Geographic North Pole where it belongs" in just under an hour. |
| 02:05 | <@McMarrrtin> | I'd sign that. That would make a pretty awesome supervillain plot. |
| 02:05 | <@Kazriko> | Yeah. heh |
| 02:08 | < gnolam> | Anyway, the WTFs of modern OpenGL. One of the things that's driving me absolutely bugnuts is that there's no requirement to continue exposing extensions that have been merged into the core - which means that checking if something is actually supported is just /slightly/ less painful than shoving splinters of wood under your fingernails. |
| 02:09 | < gnolam> | Another is the fact that source code is passed to glShaderSource() as an /array of C-strings/ instead of just a nice, flat GLchar array. |
| 02:16 | < gnolam> | At least GLSL is decent. :P |
| 02:38 | < gnolam> | Oh. Humor. A Heisenbug. |
| 02:39 | <@McMarrrtin> | Boo. |
| 02:56 | < gnolam> | Ah. It was a binary/text issue. |
| 02:57 | < gnolam> | I foolishly assumed that ifstream::read worked like fread(). |
| 03:30 | < gnolam> | <gnolam> At least GLSL is decent. :P |
| 03:30 | < gnolam> | ... but vendors' implementation of it isn't. |
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| 15:21 | | * gnolam stabs ATI. |
| 15:22 | < gnolam> | Well, I guess Nvidia should be stabbed as well, but this is an ATI card. |
| 15:25 | | * gnolam is pissed off at the lack of noise1() support. |
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| 17:10 | <@Derakon> | What EVE tournament? |
| 17:10 | <@Derakon> | Mischan. |
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| 21:29 | | * TheWatcher facepalms, realises why he's been having so many utf8 problems |
| 21:29 | <@TheWatcher> | I haven't been forcing the template loader to read the language and template files in utf8 >.< |
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| 22:10 | | * gnolam ponders wrapping glUniform calls. |
| 22:12 | < gnolam> | On one hand, that would mean wrapping a whopping 25 different functions. |
| 22:12 | < gnolam> | On the other hand, if I don't, I don't get any unified error handling. |
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| 23:04 | <@Vornicus> | I'd like to know who the hell wrote the newer w3 specs, they're horrible. |
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