| --- Log opened Sun May 31 00:00:33 2009 |
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| 00:49 | <@McMartin> | Man, our QA is awesome. |
| 00:49 | <@McMartin> | One of them just spent 15 minutes writing up a Cocoa app to handle the severely tedious bits of our testcase generation. |
| 00:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rockin' |
| 00:50 | <@McMartin> | Applescript + Python, it looks like. |
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| 03:16 | | * McMartin has his dinner interrupted by a call from his boss and the head of QA. |
| 03:16 | <@McMartin> | Life is exciting! |
| 03:17 | <@Derakon> | Uh oh. |
| 03:18 | | * McMartin is the dev point person on this, until Guy On Vacation comes back on Monday. |
| 03:18 | <@McMartin> | ... which is when we're supposed to ship. |
| 03:18 | <@Derakon> | So he'll come back just in time to be responsible for the live code that he hasn't had a chance to see in a while? |
| 03:18 | <@McMartin> | <3 |
| 03:19 | <@McMartin> | (I'm pretty sure it's OK; it's in upgrade code that we can call *after* the upgrade, which means that as long as the groundwork is sound -- and it seems to be from our tests -- we can fix it in the future and not run into it. |
| 03:19 | <@McMartin> | (Even if we have to be bug-compatible for an additional few releases.) |
| 03:20 | <@Derakon> | Ugh. I hate bug-for-bug compatibility. |
| 03:21 | <@Derakon> | When we were upgrading and unifying the subtotals logic between Cart, Checkout, and Your Account, there were a lot of inconsistencies and outright inaccuracies that we had to preserve. :\ |
| 03:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 03:35 | <+SmithKurosaki> | what is this for McMartin? |
| 03:36 | <@McMartin> | SmithKurosaki: My company's shipping a product on Monday, and we've got a couple last-minute bugs that are still on the squash-or-document list. |
| 03:37 | <+SmithKurosaki> | thats never good |
| 03:37 | <@McMartin> | I was preparing to revert out some stuff a coworker had done which was breaking stuff, but he updated it on the way. So I was on the phone with him, my boss, and the head of QA to sort out what needed to be done. |
| 03:37 | <+SmithKurosaki> | at the same time, at least you are documenting it and not just leaving a surprise |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | We've done so, and now I've kicked it over entirely to QA with four or five release candidates for them to choose from. |
| 03:38 | <+SmithKurosaki> | thatll be fun |
| 03:38 | <@McMartin> | I actually suspect that if we do our next version right - as this is a "problem happens *after* upgrading *from* this" bug - we can compensate for it so that the end user will never see it. |
| 03:39 | <+SmithKurosaki> | thats always good to heat |
| 03:39 | <+SmithKurosaki> | *hear |
| 03:39 | <@McMartin> | But it seems the call is that even if we can't, there's enough changes planned anyway that autoupgrade isn't going to happen in the usual workflow anyway, so even if it's unfixed it will only hit a small number of people. |
| 03:39 | <+SmithKurosaki> | yay |
| 03:39 | <@McMartin> | So the conclusion head of QA reached pretty quickly is "this is totally not a showstopper, but let's get another round of QA in this weekend to see if this has gotten fixed" |
| 03:39 | <@McMartin> | Then we ship whichever version works the best. |
| 03:40 | <+SmithKurosaki> | good luck |
| 03:40 | <@McMartin> | Thanks. |
| 03:40 | <@McMartin> | As a dev, I hope this is now out of my hands. |
| 03:40 | <@McMartin> | But I'm definitely appreciative, that while we may not be a particularly well-oiled machine, we're still a machine. |
| 03:42 | <+SmithKurosaki> | :) |
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| 09:22 | | * AnnoDomini has just encountered the bane of all programmers everywhere - It Worked Before But It Won't Work Anymore For No Reason. |
| 09:23 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm doing this the correct way. I know since it fucking worked before. |
| 09:24 | <@gnolam> | Cosmic rays. |
| 09:38 | | * AnnoDomini reviews what still works. |
| 09:38 | <@AnnoDomini> | Getting stuff from the database, as evidenced by a working login and displayed data tables. |
| 09:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | Modifying records, as evidenced by being able to change a date field in a table. |
| 09:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | But adding records? Naw. |
| 09:39 | <@AnnoDomini> | That used to work, and doesn't anymore. Even the functions that worked previously and I haven't even touched since. |
| 09:55 | <@gnolam> | Even if you revert to an earlier version? |
| 10:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | Reverting isn't really practical. If I get fed up, I'll start the damn project from scratch again, copy/pasting the relevant methods until I find the guilty party. |
| 10:01 | <@gnolam> | Ah |
| 10:02 | <@gnolam> | Guess I've been getting spoiled by revision control systems lately. :) |
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| 10:54 | | * TheWatcher readsup |
| 10:54 | <@TheWatcher> | AD: you're writing your own database? |
| 10:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | Sort of. I'm using a premade sample Derby database that's already included with Netbeans. I did the tables and relations myself. |
| 10:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | This application is a library. |
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| 12:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | Found the error. |
| 12:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | I accidentally the sequence storing table. |
| 12:45 | <@gnolam> | Forgot? |
| 12:45 | <@gnolam> | Killed? |
| 12:45 | <@gnolam> | Sold? |
| 12:46 | | * AnnoDomini laughs. |
| 12:46 | <@AnnoDomini> | By the way, is your offer of getting visited still open (this time with hopefully better communication on my end)? |
| 15:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | Funky. I'm using a value returned by a method of a class as an argument for another method of the class. |
| 15:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | Not internally, BTW. |
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| 15:46 | | * TheWatcher args at the perl regexp engine |
| 15:46 | <@TheWatcher> | Why am I getting "Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string" generated inside a regexp on a string that is defined and fine, damnit |
| 16:00 | | * AnnoDomini attempts to write some JavaDocs. |
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| 16:33 | | * TheWatcher facepalms, remebers he needs to escape $ in character classes |
| 16:36 | <@TheWatcher> | The finished thing of hideousness: $url =~ m{^https?://[-\w]+(?:\.[-\w]+)+/(?:[-\w]+/)*[-.\w]*(?:\?(?:[-\w~!\$+|.,*:;]|%[a- f\d]{2,4})+=(?:[-\w~!\$+|.,*:]|%[a-f\d]{2,4})*(?:&(?:[-\w~!\$+|.,*:;]|%[a-f\d]{2 ,4})+=(?:[-\w~!\$+|.,*:]|%[a-f\d]{2,4})*)*)?(?:\#(?:[-\w~!\$+|&.,*:;=]|%[a-f\d]{ 2,4})*)?$}io; |
| 16:36 | | * Derakon[AFK] finds a drink so he can spew a mouthful of it at his screen. |
| 16:36 | | * AnnoDomini wants to make an interface inherit documentation from a bean. How do I do this? |
| 16:37 | <@TheWatcher> | Dera: is it not a thing of awesome terror? |
| 16:40 | <@Derakon[AFK]> | It could rise up out of the depths and maul Tokyo. |
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| 16:45 | <@gnolam> | AnnoDomini: It's still open. |
| 16:47 | <@AnnoDomini> | Cool. How is your availability in late July or early August? |
| 16:52 | <@gnolam> | Don't know yet. |
| 16:54 | <@gnolam> | Depends on when I get back from CZ and when I have to visit my parents. |
| 16:54 | <@gnolam> | I'm deferring all my planning until after this exam period. |
| 16:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | When's that end? |
| 16:55 | <@gnolam> | Friday. |
| 16:58 | <@AnnoDomini> | I seep. |
| 16:59 | | * gnolam pokes Google Maps with something pointy. |
| 17:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | In Java, can you compare chars with ==+ |
| 17:13 | <@AnnoDomini> | *? |
| 17:15 | <+SmithKurosaki> | AnnoDomini: iirc, its juse == |
| 17:15 | <+SmithKurosaki> | *just |
| 17:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yeah, the + was a typo of ?. |
| 17:21 | <+SmithKurosaki> | im used to using an if loop |
| 17:21 | <+SmithKurosaki> | so i would go if (a==b) do this type thing |
| 17:21 | <+SmithKurosaki> | i cant remember how to do it without one |
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| 18:07 | | * AnnoDomini ponders the use of UML for planning campaigns. |
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| 19:34 | | * AnnoDomini froths at the mouth at JSF's selectOneMenu. |
| 19:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | How do you USE that thing? |
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| 20:15 | < Attilla> | UML? |
| 20:15 | < Attilla> | Unified Modelling Language? |
| 20:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yes. |
| 20:20 | < Attilla> | Oh for software engineering so it's like a metalanguage or something? |
| 20:21 | <@AnnoDomini> | Yeah. It's for charts and graphs, models and whatever. |
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| 20:42 | <@McMartin> | Flowcharts for data. |
| 20:42 | <@McMartin> | Often distrusted by actual developers, occasionally useful as a base language for whiteboard discussions. |
| 20:42 | <@TheWatcher> | I thorougly blame them on Management. ¬¬ |
| 20:43 | <@McMartin> | I think it'd work as well for planning RPG campaigns as Illuminati cards would. |
| 20:44 | <@AnnoDomini> | I know an actual businessdude who uses UML in his company. |
| 20:45 | <@AnnoDomini> | Illuminati cards? |
| 20:47 | <@McMartin> | Illuminati is a vaguely RISK-like card game, but you take over the world with ridiculous interlocking conspiracies instead of armies. |
| 20:48 | <@McMartin> | The Goldfish Fanciers control the Boy Scouts control the FBI, etc. |
| 20:48 | < Namegduf> | ...I want to see that game. |
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| 20:49 | <@McMartin> | http://www.warehouse23.com/item.html?id=SJG1305 |
| 20:50 | <@gnolam> | It's a good game, even if it needs some house rules to be balanced. |
| 20:50 | <@McMartin> | This is especially true once you add the Y2K expansion, which has entirely too many Weird Violent groups |
| 20:50 | <@gnolam> | (The Bavarian Illuminati are /way/ too powerful. The Gnomes of Zurich need to be toned down as well.) |
| 20:50 | <@McMartin> | This boosts the Society of Assassins a fair amount, but it turns the Discordians into a nigh-unstoppable jugernaut |
| 20:52 | <@gnolam> | My main gripe with the Y2k expansion is that it has too many weak (resistance 1) groups. |
| 20:52 | <@gnolam> | Again, boosting the Society of Assassins. |
| 20:52 | <@gnolam> | Also, just generally unbalancing things. |
| 20:54 | <@McMartin> | The problem we had is that Discordia would focus on Weird/Violent and have something like a +17 or so to start with, and interference was impossible from half the cards in the deck. |
| 20:56 | <@McMartin> | I can kind of see why they did it, but they went too far. |
| 20:56 | <@McMartin> | After all, "Bavaria is too strong" is roughly equivalent to "resistances are too high across the board" |
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| 21:04 | <@McMartin> | "To begin with, we don't even exist," said a spokesman. "The Illuminati are a myth." |
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