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| 07:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, this is cool. |
| 07:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | 'compcache' - compressing RAM swap device. |
| 07:02 | <+SmithKurosaki> | oh?? |
| 07:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | Reserves a chunk of RAM as a swap device that stores pages LZO-compressed. |
| 07:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | You hit swap sooner, but said swap is much, much faster than HDD swap. |
| 07:03 | < Namegduf> | Interesting. |
| 07:03 | <+SmithKurosaki> | which is something you could probably use right about now, or not really? |
| 07:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | Leela, the laptop, has only 1GB of memory. |
| 07:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | And runs out on a regular basis. |
| 07:04 | | * ToxicFrog tests it by firing upOpera |
| 07:04 | <+SmithKurosaki> | true, go opera! |
| 07:05 | <@McMartin> | For a truly heinous test, try Firefox~ |
| 07:05 | <+SmithKurosaki> | ahhhhh noooooooo |
| 07:05 | <+SmithKurosaki> | opera is memory hog enough up front, ff is just plain terrible for memory usage all around |
| 07:06 | | * Vornicus offers McM's unoptimized solution to Euler 79. |
| 07:06 | <+SmithKurosaki> | when i had my eeepc working, i would never use the ff because i could only sustain 4 tabs in ff versus 6+ in opera |
| 07:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, Opera isn't being harsh enough |
| 07:06 | | * ToxicFrog starts up firefox as well |
| 07:06 | <+SmithKurosaki> | wrrrryyy |
| 07:06 | <+SmithKurosaki> | you are bloody insane |
| 07:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wow. Opera and FF both fail comically at the acid3 test. |
| 07:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | And I need to use more memory. |
| 07:07 | <+SmithKurosaki> | fire up pidgin locally |
| 07:08 | | * ToxicFrog instructs lua to allocate 100MB worth of strings |
| 07:08 | < Namegduf> | ToxicFrog: You think that'd be useful for a laptop with 256MB of RAM which is constantly in swap? |
| 07:08 | < Namegduf> | Literally constantly. |
| 07:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | Probably? People are reporting compression ratios of around 1:3 or 1:4, so dedicate 64MB of that to compcache and that stretches it from 256 to 384+ until you hit disc |
| 07:09 | <+SmithKurosaki> | nice |
| 07:09 | <+SmithKurosaki> | how do you use up the entire gb anyways? |
| 07:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | The more you dedicate, the faster you'll start getting LZO slowdown, but the longer you have before it needs to hit disk, so experiment. |
| 07:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ |
| 07:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | SK: running Opera for a few weeks will do it handily. |
| 07:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mem: 1025272k total, 1010052k used, 15220k free, 428k buffers |
| 07:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | Swap: 256312k total, 207756k used, 48556k free, 55584k cached |
| 07:11 | <@McMartin> | Also, hello, SK; I don't think I've seen you active before. |
| 07:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | The system is noticeably slower than normal, but unlike with disk swap, it is still usabe. |
| 07:11 | <@ToxicFrog> | *usable. |
| 07:11 | < Namegduf> | ToxicFrog: Well, it's sorta moot because this piece of junk is running Windows, and lacking the RAM or HDD for VMs or multibooting, it's got to stay that way, but I was wondering about it. |
| 07:11 | <+SmithKurosaki> | ahhh. (this is why i use opera through server instead of local, even though the transmission is quite slow over nets |
| 07:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | (whereas when it hits disk I basically go ctrl-alt-backspace-backspace and wait twenty minutes for it to register and X to shut down) |
| 07:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Namegduf: ew. |
| 07:12 | < Namegduf> | ToxicFrog: Very ew, yes. |
| 07:13 | < Namegduf> | At least I get to use Chrome. |
| 07:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why does it need to stay windows? |
| 07:13 | <+SmithKurosaki> | program compatibilty probably |
| 07:13 | < Namegduf> | Windows software I need to be able to use, yeah. |
| 07:13 | < Namegduf> | My main laptop is out of commission for at least another week, annoyingly. |
| 07:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 07:14 | <+SmithKurosaki> | i was in #fedora on fn there was a guy bitching about not being able to get f11 onto his old stinkpad |
| 07:14 | <+SmithKurosaki> | also, McMartin, i've been wanting to get back into my coding habits, and TF pointed me a bunch of ways |
| 07:15 | < Namegduf> | I was wondering as a sorta example case, because this thing struggles with RAM usage. Firefox absolutely kills it, Chrome works okay, but I actually need to keep the number of tabs open low, which is completely at odds with my normal approach to using a browser. |
| 07:15 | <+SmithKurosaki> | i need to find a java channel though, ive been out of it for a while, and the fn channel appears to be gone |
| 07:16 | <@McMartin> | I'm pretty decent with it, though not as awesome as I once was. |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | The FN channel is still there |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | ##java |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | Namegduf: yeah, I generally run with >100 tabs |
| 07:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | I suspect that would blow up a 256MB machine no matter what kind of memory compression trickery you use, though~ |
| 07:17 | <+SmithKurosaki> | yea, i learned the basic theory a couple years ago, but that was using simple classes (i think that's the right term -> string.X etc) and a boilerplate, but i am getting back into it in the fall |
| 07:18 | <+SmithKurosaki> | also, have you tried joining it lately tf? |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. I'm in it right now. |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | --> You are now talking on ##java |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | --- Topic for ##java is Welcome! Read this before participating: http://www.javachannel.net || Javascript is in ##javascript || No applets. || Paste limit is 2 lines. Use ~pastebin to list options || This channel is logged. || No one knows any more about oracle/sun than what's in the news. Stop asking. |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | --- Topic for ##java set by cheeser at Tue Apr 21 11:20:17 2009 |
| 07:18 | <+SmithKurosaki> | i have #java on autojoin, which points me to ##java which doesnt work |
| 07:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've said this before, and I will continue to say it -- |
| 07:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | "It doesn't work" is useless. Give information |
| 07:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | , not just complaints. |
| 07:19 | <+SmithKurosaki> | damnit you threw my thought pattern there. i cant connect |
| 07:19 | <+SmithKurosaki> | i said that :p |
| 07:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...what? |
| 07:20 | <+SmithKurosaki> | also -> * ##java :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 07:20 | <+SmithKurosaki> | i havent reg'd with their nickserv yet |
| 07:20 | <+SmithKurosaki> | the only one ive had major connection issues with is syn |
| 07:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well there's your problem then. |
| 07:21 | <+SmithKurosaki> | gnar |
| 07:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Register with nickserv and you'll be able the join, it says so right there. |
| 07:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's a far cry from "the FN channel appears to be gone" |
| 07:21 | <+SmithKurosaki> | yes, i know tf, dont be a douche |
| 07:22 | <+SmithKurosaki> | im used to seeing: this doesnt exist messages |
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| 07:52 | <+SmithKurosaki> | im kind of jealous of all the ops in here, its essentialy a bloody op channel with random people (like me) just chilling |
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| 09:08 | <@AnnoDomini> | Mumble. I'm getting uncompilable source code errors from GlassFish, and don't know what's up. |
| 09:11 | <@AnnoDomini> | There. For some reason an uninitialized variable caused this. |
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| 09:42 | <@McMartin> | Is GlassFish Java based? |
| 09:42 | <@McMartin> | Java refuses to compile code with uninitialized locals. |
| 09:43 | <@McMartin> | 20 lines of code, about 7 of which are type wrangling. |
| 09:43 | <@McMartin> | Wrong channel, sorry |
| 09:55 | <@AnnoDomini> | I think so. |
| 09:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | Well, I do know that GlassFish is a Java application server, but I don't actually know if it's coded in Java.p |
| 09:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | -p |
| 09:57 | <@McMartin> | Well, it would complain while compiling your app code, yeah. |
| 09:57 | <@McMartin> | The relevant bit of the language bible is "definite assignment", but you can usually get around it by just assigning everything at declaration time. |
| 10:54 | <@AnnoDomini> | Hmm. Anyone here any good with JSF? I'm trying to find an easy way to display a record's worth of data, and not in a data table. |
| 10:59 | <@AnnoDomini> | On second thought, I suppose a data table will work. |
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| 12:49 | <@gnolam> | So. I need a 2D software graphics library with - at a minimum - alpha blending and bitmap rotation/scaling. Suggestions? |
| 12:50 | <@gnolam> | SDL_gfx seems to be well and truly aboard the Failboat. |
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| 14:35 | | * AnnoDomini ponders more on uncompilable source code. |
| 14:35 | <@AnnoDomini> | It really gives me very little hint about what the problem is. |
| 14:36 | <@gnolam> | What language? |
| 14:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | Java. |
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| 16:14 | <+SmithKurosaki> | gnolam: once tf comes back online, ask him, he was working on a lua-sdl program a while back, but i dont know how far he got |
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| 17:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://pastie.org/494992 <- Could anyone help me with this? I don't quite understand how to do this, since List is abstract. |
| 17:03 | <@AnnoDomini> | I want to convert a List<Categories> into List<SelectItem>. |
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| 19:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | <mnemoc> so assert(next(t)) would abort if it's empty, right? |
| 19:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | <MattJ> mnemoc: assert(next(t) ~= nil) :) |
| 19:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | <MattJ> mnemoc: I was caught out by that once, never again... next() returns the first key, and once for me it was 'false' :) |
| 19:39 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
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