| --- Log opened Sat Feb 07 00:00:39 2009 |
| 00:17 | <@McMartin> | Derakon: What did you have to do to make py2exe respect windows-mode app? |
| 00:18 | <@Derakon> | Make my setup.py script say "setup(windows = [{'script': 'bulletml.py'}]) |
| 00:27 | | * TheWatcher shiftyeyes, makes no apologies: |
| 00:28 | <@TheWatcher> | Use a priority queue to store the vfsFiles that can be freed |
| 00:28 | <@TheWatcher> | priority_queue<vfsFile *, vector<vfsFile *>, ptr_greater<vfsFile *>> number_nine; // yey, Grim Fandango reference |
| 00:28 | <@TheWatcher> | (that's shortly before loading the queue up with dead vfsFiles and then deleting the lot >.>) |
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| 00:57 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 01:00 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
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| 01:54 | < GeekSoldier> | Derakon: I'm not normally a fan of bullet hell games, but this one is quite interesting. keep it up! |
| 01:54 | <@Derakon> | Thanks! |
| 01:55 | <@Derakon> | I've always loved the concept but been utterly terrible at them, so I've tried to make this more accessible. |
| 01:57 | < GeekSoldier> | There were a couple that intruduced some interesting concepts, but I like having the different patterns announced &c. |
| 02:01 | < GeekSoldier> | I find myself entranced in some of the patterns,and not paying too much attention to where I'm going. |
| 02:03 | <@Derakon> | A really good pattern should be aesthetically pleasing in addition to providing an appropriate level of challenge. :) |
| 02:09 | | * Vornicus is absolutely terrible at fusillade. |
| 02:10 | <@Derakon> | :\ |
| 02:18 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 02:35 | <@Reiver> | I suggest as a low-priority 2.0 feature for paid users, a primitive autopilot |
| 02:35 | <@Reiver> | Thus letting us watch the game be played without needing to play it~ |
| 03:07 | | thalass [~thalass@Nightstar-19500.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #code |
| 03:07 | < thalass> | hola, codemonkeys |
| 03:07 | < Alek> | hola yourself |
| 03:07 | < thalass> | heh |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | cron.hourly |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | --------- |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | KUKU=`/bin/date +%I` |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | while [ $KUKU -gt 0 ]; do |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | eject /dev/cdrom |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | cat /root/xxx/kuku.au > /dev/dsp |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | eject -t /dev/cdrom |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | KUKU=$((KUKU-1)) |
| 03:08 | < Alek> | done |
| 03:09 | < thalass> | So ndiswrapper. Is this only for wifi drivers? I'm trying to get my (non-wacom) tablet working, and I thought I'd try ndiswrapper with the windows driver. But it asks for an .inf file, and the cd doesn't seem to have any, only .cab and other files, with a setup.exe that sorts it out. |
| 03:09 | < thalass> | Wine doesn't seem to cooperate, but I'm still digging |
| 03:10 | < thalass> | wait. Found it on the fake c:/ drive wine uses. booya |
| 03:13 | < thalass> | of course /home/thalass/.wine doesn't seem to exist |
| 03:16 | <@Consul> | Would someone please explain how Adobe arrived at "enu" as the abbreviation for English? |
| 03:16 | <@Vornicus> | en-us |
| 03:17 | <@Consul> | Okay, at least that makes some logical sense. |
| 03:17 | <@Consul> | But it's certainly not intuitive. |
| 03:17 | < thalass> | hrm. |
| 03:18 | < thalass> | So if /home/thalass/.wine doesn't exist, but it's where the wine fake c:/ drive is, where is it in the filesystem for reals? |
| 03:18 | < thalass> | cos I wanna wanna get my tablet working |
| 03:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | ndiswrapper is strictly wireless only. |
| 03:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | NDIS = Network Driver Interface Specification. |
| 03:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Furthermore, Wine is a user mode wrapper; it is not capable of loading Windows drivers, only of running Windows programs. |
| 03:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | What tablet is it, and what interface does it use? |
| 03:20 | < thalass> | poo |
| 03:20 | < Alek> | wacom, wasn't it? |
| 03:20 | < Alek> | no. |
| 03:20 | < Alek> | nonwacom. |
| 03:20 | < Alek> | my bad. |
| 03:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | Besides which, wacom is a brand, not a model. |
| 03:21 | < thalass> | the driver is aiptek, according to the driver file (aiptektp.inf), but the tablet itself is labeled 'capax' and 'vistapad' |
| 03:22 | < thalass> | I only say non-wacom because it seems that's where all the attention is re: tablet drivers |
| 03:22 | < thalass> | for native ones, that is |
| 03:22 | < thalass> | so poor people like me have to figure it out the hard way |
| 03:22 | < Alek> | yeah, that tends to happen. |
| 03:22 | < Alek> | cause wacom's THE quality name in tablets. |
| 03:23 | < thalass> | also damnit, I thought I could get ndis to load the drivers for me and magically work, after wine installs them from the cd. :( |
| 03:24 | < thalass> | ironically, the reason I bought this laptop is because I thought it was a tablet pc, and I figured that I could spend X dollars and buy a fancy wacom tablet, or I could spend slightly more than X dollars and get a standalone tablet pc... |
| 03:24 | < thalass> | pity HP lied to me. jerks. |
| 03:24 | < thalass> | so now I have a convertable laptop that doesn't have a tablet screen, and a usb tablet that doesn't work. :P |
| 03:25 | < Alek> | ow. |
| 03:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it's USB, you might be able to do tricks with VirtualBox |
| 03:25 | < Alek> | if they lied, you should have asked for a refund. |
| 03:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Boot a windows VM, then tell it to grab the tablet |
| 03:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | That said, if HP said it was a tablet PC, you should damn well be able to get either a refund or the machine they promised you. |
| 03:27 | < thalass> | well, it was future shop that wrote the description funny, and me who read it wrong, and then it was in canada for about six months before I got my hands on it anyway, so yeah. |
| 03:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 03:29 | < thalass> | so linux (ubuntu) doesn't understand a .inf file at all? i couldn't ad the device into xorg.conf, with it pointing to the driver? I know the usb id thing from doing lsusb. |
| 03:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | The INF file is just a file that tells windows which files make up the actual driver, what devices they support, and where to put them. |
| 03:32 | < thalass> | oddly, the tablet works as a pointing device as soon as I plug it in, but when I tap on something it stops responding to movement for a few seconds, before working again. |
| 03:32 | < thalass> | ah |
| 03:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | The actual driver is a windows kernel module, and is not compatible with other operating systems or, indeed, other families of windows. |
| 03:32 | < thalass> | hrm |
| 03:33 | <@McMartin> | That's the ".sys" files. |
| 03:33 | < thalass> | er. the url that I can't link. haha |
| 03:33 | | mode/#code [+o thalass] by ToxicFrog |
| 03:33 | <@thalass> | oo |
| 03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Some people have reported success with ubuntu autodetecting this model of tablet, but it then failing to work correctly; others have reported that it isn't detected at all. |
| 03:33 | | * thalass eyes this http://aiptektablet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:34 | <@thalass> | the 'vista pad' model number on the back (WCK-C121) doesn't even come up on a google search, which is annoying |
| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | That looks like it might be what you're after |
| 03:35 | <@thalass> | wait, it does, but not with " linux" as well :P |
| 03:35 | | * thalass shall try it after chasing the baby for a minute |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...the project looks pretty old, though. |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Last release was in 2006. |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | And SF claims that its Subversion repo doesn't exist. |
| 03:37 | <@McMartin> | Does it have a CVS repo? |
| 03:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | If so, it's not linked from the front page (the SVN one is) |
| 03:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...however, I think I know why |
| 03:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Looking at my systems, the aiptek driver appears to be standard now. |
| 03:38 | <@Vornicus> | So it got eaten by something else? |
| 03:39 | <@Vornicus> | And Just Plain Works? |
| 03:39 | <@McMartin> | Or it doesn't and never will |
| 03:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vornicus: presumably, it Just Plain Works for those tablets it supports (ie, the ones actually branded Aiptek), and is stable enough to be included in kernel master |
| 03:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | And for those tablets it doesn't support, but which use Aiptek chips, it's a crapshoot. |
| 03:40 | <@thalass> | haha |
| 03:40 | <@thalass> | like this one. Pointing yet, clicking no. |
| 03:40 | <@thalass> | *yes |
| 03:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's what I've seen on a quick search |
| 03:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pointing works, clicking hangs it |
| 03:41 | <@thalass> | exactly |
| 03:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or just doesn't register, depending on the phase of the moon |
| 03:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. I wonder how VirtualBox steamless mode would interact with it. |
| 03:41 | <@McMartin> | Guessing "loldoom" |
| 03:41 | <@thalass> | this is the tablet, as close as i can find it. http://www.computex.biz/waltop/Default.aspx?pagetype=ProductDetail&pdt_id=12185& pcode=F0300 |
| 03:42 | <@thalass> | so... I'd have to run windows in the background to use the tablet in linux? |
| 03:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, not "in the background" per se |
| 03:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Basically, you can run windows in a virtual machine, and attach USB devices to the VM rather than the host system if you so choose |
| 03:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | This isn't terribly useful in this case, though |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | (my mom's using it to drive a slide scanner, though!) |
| 03:46 | <@thalass> | ah |
| 03:51 | <@thalass> | hrm. Middle mouse button works on the tablet but not left or right. Could there be a conflict or something? I tried with the actual mouse unplugged, and the touchpad switched off, but no dice |
| 04:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | I've got nothing, I'm afraid :( |
| 04:14 | <@thalass> | woe |
| 04:14 | | * thalass brb |
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| 04:19 | < thalass> | fudge it. I give up. I'll add it to the list of things I need to work on. After the mute button (which works after login, but only for a few seconds) and the various other hardware buttons. And other things. |
| 06:14 | | * McMartin reliably crashes Fusillade. |
| 06:19 | < thalass> | uh. what's the terminal code to force-install a 386 .deb package on a amd64 system? the gui deb installer won't cooperate, and I've done it before (I have the lib32 compatability files), I just don't remember the code. :P |
| 06:21 | < thalass> | nm. found it *facepalm* |
| 06:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, enough SLR(1) parser generators for tonight. |
| 06:25 | | * ToxicFrog puts away the Dragon Book, deploys a bit of r0xx0r before sleeping. |
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| 08:04 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
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| 17:15 | < Searh> | Are you active? |
| 17:15 | | Searh is now known as Serah |
| 17:16 | < Serah> | Damn. |
| 17:16 | | Serah is now known as Searh |
| 17:16 | < Searh> | >_< |
| 17:16 | | Searh is now known as Serah |
| 17:16 | < Serah> | I did remember correctly. |
| 17:17 | | mode/#code [+o Serah] by ChanServ |
| 17:20 | < GeekSoldier> | hee. identity crisis Se(ra/ar)h? |
| 17:22 | <@Serah> | Yes and no. |
| 17:22 | <@Serah> | My compaq died. |
| 17:23 | <@Serah> | This is a fresh install of mIRC. |
| 17:23 | <@Serah> | Good excuse to update. |
| 17:23 | <@Serah> | Now I need to recover my reg key or crack it, probably the latter. |
| 17:23 | <@Serah> | And doing everything without scripts is really hard. |
| 17:23 | < GeekSoldier> | Yeah, it's easy to get used to them. |
| 17:24 | <@Serah> | I spent the better part of the last three days just setting my Windows Vista up. |
| 17:24 | <@Serah> | And every other network I reside in, uses the anope services. The anope services require non-letter characters in the password, so even if I did remember what the password was I couldn't typ eit. |
| 17:24 | <@Serah> | But this network accepts no such thing. |
| 17:29 | <@gnolam> | "so even if I did remember what the password was I couldn't typ eit" |
| 17:29 | <@gnolam> | How so? |
| 17:33 | <@Serah> | It's made up of junk from an encryption program. |
| 17:33 | <@Serah> | Since I don't have to remember it, as it automaticly identifies me whenever nickserv requires identification. |
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| 17:56 | | * Serah squeaks the vorn. |
| 17:57 | | * Vornicus remains unsqueaked |
| 17:59 | | * jerith glares at m4a tags. |
| 18:00 | < jerith> | Specifically, the lack of spec and therefore unimplemented retagging in hpodder. |
| 18:35 | <@Derakon> | Anyone care to recommend a hosting company? |
| 18:37 | < jerith> | What kind of thing do you want to host? |
| 18:37 | <@Derakon> | A website for my game. |
| 18:37 | <@Derakon> | Forum, web content, mod DB. |
| 18:37 | | * jerith points at synthasite.com |
| 18:37 | <@Derakon> | And the game itself of course. |
| 18:38 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 18:38 | < jerith> | Probably not what you want, but they gave me a macbook and an iphone. |
| 18:38 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 18:38 | <@Derakon> | What did you do for them? |
| 18:38 | < jerith> | Also interesting problems to solve and a pretty decent salary. |
| 18:38 | | * TheWatcher selfhosts, can not alas recommend any hosters from personal experience (because, in his experience, they all tend to be overexpensive incompetents) |
| 18:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Snnrrrrk |
| 18:39 | <@TheWatcher> | No bias there at all, then ;) |
| 18:39 | <@Derakon> | How the hell do they make money? |
| 18:39 | <@Derakon> | Free hosting, no ads... |
| 18:39 | < jerith> | (I have to give the shiny things back should I ever leave.) |
| 18:39 | < jerith> | Derakon: Premium stuff. |
| 18:39 | < jerith> | Domains, templates, etc. |
| 18:39 | <@Derakon> | TW: I have a DynDNS account fro my desktop computer, which is great for early stuff, but I don't want my website going down if Comcast decides to shoot itself in the head. |
| 18:39 | <@Derakon> | Ahh. |
| 18:40 | <@Derakon> | s/fro/for/ |
| 18:40 | | * jerith has a linode box at US$40/month. |
| 18:40 | < jerith> | I share it, though. |
| 18:40 | <@Derakon> | Mahal recommended this: http://www.webonce.com/services/php5_web_hosting.html |
| 18:41 | <@Derakon> | Which looks pretty decent; $7/month for the basic package and you can upgrade à la carte. |
| 18:52 | <@TheWatcher> | Dera: yeah, I'm lucky in that I have a Real Honest Static IP, and uptime that seems pretty consistent with major hosting. What I don't have is the fat pipe upstream, but what I'm doing that hasn't proved a massive issue as yet |
| 18:54 | <@Serah> | I do, I don't use it though. |
| 18:54 | <@Serah> | It was just cheaper. |
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| 19:37 | | * jerith gives up on this for now and goes to bed. |
| 19:39 | <@TheWatcher> | Night jerith |
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| --- Log closed Sun Feb 08 00:00:51 2009 |