| --- Log opened Fri Feb 06 00:00:28 2009 |
| 00:00 | <@TheWatcher> | Okays, unpacked... |
| 00:02 | <@TheWatcher> | And it works. |
| 00:02 | <@TheWatcher> | Going to have a mess around, but it seems to be running fine |
| 00:02 | <@Derakon> | Yaaaaay! |
| 00:03 | <@Derakon> | Three main things: does it run on default settings? Do changes to the config stick? Do high scores stick? |
| 00:03 | <@Derakon> | By "run on default settings" I mean, is it playable without changing the controls. |
| 00:04 | <@TheWatcher> | No, it doesn't |
| 00:04 | <@Derakon> | What happens? |
| 00:04 | <@TheWatcher> | It works if I rebind the controls, controls I haven't rebound don't appear to do anything |
| 00:04 | <@Derakon> | Dammit, I could swear I fixed that... |
| 00:04 | <@TheWatcher> | ouch |
| 00:04 | <@McMartin> | Runs in VMware >_> |
| 00:05 | <@TheWatcher> | one sec |
| 00:05 | <@Derakon> | Hee. |
| 00:05 | <@McMartin> | Quit/Restart fixed the rebind problem. |
| 00:05 | <@TheWatcher> | I just tried to rebing up and it quit |
| 00:05 | <@TheWatcher> | trying to reproduce it |
| 00:08 | <@TheWatcher> | what's your config file called? |
| 00:08 | <@Derakon> | .bmlconfig.txt |
| 00:08 | <@Derakon> | ...and the scorefile is .bmlscores.xml, that's silly. It's not XML! |
| 00:09 | <@TheWatcher> | hmm |
| 00:09 | <@TheWatcher> | traceback coming in pm |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Suggestion for nag screen: put it at the end, not the beginning. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Or when they hit "register". |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Put "demo version" in the corner or something. |
| 00:12 | | * McMartin is using Aquaria as his example of excellence here =) |
| 00:12 | <@Derakon> | You mean, when they quit instead of when they start? |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 00:12 | <@McMartin> | Alternately, have a counter that makes the nag screen go away after N runs. |
| 00:13 | | * Derakon nods. |
| 00:13 | <@Derakon> | I plan to do a fullscreen ad when they quit if they aren't registered. |
| 00:13 | <@Derakon> | But IMO giving them the register dialog on quit is just weird. |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. I'd say, leave it at that and otherwise only pop the reg screen if they try to run an reg-required course. |
| 00:13 | <@Derakon> | Since if they want to reg, they then have to quit the app to do so. |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | Hm, point. |
| 00:13 | <@McMartin> | I like the "have a button to click to get info on how to register" thing though. |
| 00:14 | | * McMartin watches his computer explode |
| 00:14 | <@Derakon> | The reg dialog will be more helpful once I have a website~ |
| 00:14 | <@Derakon> | ...uh, in a good way or a bad way? |
| 00:14 | | * McMartin goes to quietly reverse a test that he got backwards. |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | bad. App fork bombed itself. |
| 00:14 | | * Derakon chokes. |
| 00:14 | <@McMartin> | The "should I stay where I am" test was backwards >_> |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | The hilarious thing is that this would have failed more concisely in release mode. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | Because it would have decided it needed to make more kids, but the test was backwards so it would just run as one. |
| 00:15 | <@McMartin> | But for debug, the target number was one, so... |
| 00:16 | <@Derakon> | Okay, that should put paid to the binding issue. |
| 00:17 | <@Derakon> | The default controls were a map of strings (action names) to ints (character codes). |
| 00:17 | <@Derakon> | The controls loaded from the file were a map of strings to strings. |
| 00:17 | <@Derakon> | Same actual values, but failing equality tests. |
| 00:28 | <@Derakon> | Hm. May have to change the default controls. |
| 00:28 | <@Derakon> | Holding left, up, and inflect at the same time causes up to be ignored. |
| 00:29 | <@Derakon> | (In Windows) |
| 00:31 | | * Derakon quietly replaces beta1 with a version that fixes the controls bug. |
| 00:31 | <@Derakon> | I think it's time to announce it~ |
| 00:42 | <@Derakon> | Okay, now I really must start working on a website to host things. At bare minimum I'll need a forum for coordinating beta testing, and I should set up a mod DB as well. |
| 00:42 | <@Derakon> | I want to encourage more courses ASAP so that there's more incentive to register~ |
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| 02:07 | | * McMartin bluescreens his guest OS. |
| 02:08 | <@McMartin> | Driver development! Not for the faint of heart. |
| 02:08 | <@gnolam> | Or Creative Labs. |
| 02:09 | | * McMartin fixes some constants, wins |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | Derakon: that's not "in windows" |
| 02:09 | <@McMartin> | That's a quirk of the keyboard you're using. |
| 02:10 | <@McMartin> | Most keyboards have arbitrary keychords they refuse to send |
| 02:10 | <@gnolam> | Not so much refuse to send as "can't detect". |
| 02:10 | <@gnolam> | Depending on how their key matrices are laid out. |
| 02:16 | <@Derakon> | McM: Oh? Thought it was an OS limitation. My bad. |
| 02:17 | <@Vornicus> | it's actually a very very old limitation. |
| 02:17 | <@Derakon> | One you'd think would have been fixed ages ago. |
| 02:17 | <@Vornicus> | Input buffers, etc. It predates /computers/. |
| 02:18 | | * Derakon prods Vorn to download the beta. |
| 02:18 | <@Vornicus> | Windows beta? |
| 02:18 | <@Derakon> | Yes. |
| 02:18 | <@Vornicus> | Where? |
| 02:18 | <@Derakon> | Check LJ. |
| 02:18 | | * Vornicus just got here. |
| 02:19 | <@Derakon> | http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/bulletml-beta1.zip |
| 02:19 | <@Derakon> | LJ has the reg code. |
| 02:19 | | * Vornicus downloadies. |
| 02:20 | <@Vornicus> | For the record my computer is positively ancient. |
| 02:20 | <@Derakon> | Define "ancient"? |
| 02:20 | <@Vornicus> | Built in 2000. |
| 02:21 | <@Vornicus> | Can just barely handle Total Annihilation at 1280x1024 at 10fps. |
| 02:21 | <@Derakon> | Hm. |
| 02:21 | <@Derakon> | You will probably experience some slowdown then. Let me know how bad it is. |
| 02:21 | <@Vornicus> | checkerooni. |
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| 02:26 | <@Vornicus> | I'm getting 5fps on the title screen with Fan Dance going. |
| 02:26 | <@Derakon> | That is...suboptimal. |
| 02:26 | <@Derakon> | What happened to your Mac, anyway? |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | Heat. |
| 02:28 | <@Derakon> | Ack. |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | It can't go for more than ten minutes without hitting 60C; it hits 80 and automatic shutdown in about half an hour. |
| 02:28 | <@Vornicus> | I get about 10FPS in-game on beginner loop 0. |
| 02:29 | <@Vornicus> | And if that's "beginner" I'll eat my hat. |
| 02:29 | <@Derakon> | So shouldn't you be able to just replace the fan? |
| 02:29 | <@Vornicus> | Der: the fan is running. |
| 02:29 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 02:29 | <@Vornicus> | The air is coming out cool. |
| 02:29 | <@Derakon> | ...weird. |
| 02:29 | <@Derakon> | So the thermometer is broken? |
| 02:29 | <@Vornicus> | I don't know. |
| 02:30 | <@Vornicus> | It may be that the thermal paste dried up and so the heat sink isn't sinking heat. |
| 02:31 | <@Vornicus> | Uh. |
| 02:32 | <@Vornicus> | I seem to be missing Instructions. How do I inflect? |
| 02:32 | <@Derakon> | Default key is apostrophe. |
| 02:32 | <@Derakon> | You can reconfigure in the options page. |
| 02:32 | <@Vornicus> | aha |
| 02:36 | | * Vornicus sucks even worse when he tries inflecting... |
| 02:37 | <@Derakon> | That is rather the idea. Inflecting makes patterns that would ordinarily be easy significantly harder. |
| 02:42 | | * Derakon adds the ability to pause. |
| 02:43 | <@Derakon> | Currently I've bound that to the Escape key; should that button be rebindable? |
| 02:52 | <@Derakon> | Blah. I need to highlight the most recent score in the highscores table. My options are: go through everywhere I've called drawText and replace alphas with RGBA colors; add yet another argument to drawText for the color (leaving alpha as is); find some non-color way to indicate the score. |
| 02:55 | <@Derakon> | ...I have 33 calls to drawText in my code. ;.; |
| 02:56 | <@Vornicus> | Pause? I don't think so. |
| 02:56 | <@Vornicus> | esc seems a good spot for it. |
| 03:09 | <@Derakon> | ...my attempt at "gold" came out more "piss yellow". |
| 03:09 | <@Derakon> | http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/scores.png |
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| 05:29 | <@Derakon> | ...well, I feel terrible about that. |
| 05:30 | <@Derakon> | Several people have reported a bug wherein attempting to rebind keys causes the game to crash. |
| 05:30 | <@Derakon> | I've traced this down to the code that does surface fading. |
| 05:30 | <@Derakon> | But I don't know why it's happening, since it's very inconsistent. My repro case involves mashing buttons. |
| 05:30 | <@Derakon> | So I just slapped a try/catch block around the thing, so if an exception gets thrown, the text just doesn't draw for one frame. This has fixed the crash, but it's ugh such a hideous hack. |
| 05:54 | <@Derakon> | ...I now have a loop wrapped around code that might except, so that it keeps trying until it works. ;.; |
| 05:55 | <@Derakon> | Actually, best to just return quietly if there's an exception. Not drawing for one frame is better than (potentially) looping infinitely. |
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| 12:23 | < gnolaptop> | Beautiful and expensive Orange Boxes - FOR EVERYONE |
| 12:24 | <@TheWatcher> | but.. but... the Orange Box is only 17 quid.... |
| 12:25 | < gnolaptop> | Pfft. |
| 12:26 | < gnolaptop> | (We were expecting just vanilla HL2. Instead, the client is getting us the Orange Box.) |
| 12:26 | | * TheWatcher laughs |
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| 18:21 | <@gnolam> | http://www.cyd.liu.se/~torha229/temp/SRV-2000.jpg <- note the manufacturer's name. I'm very tempted to sneak some samples from GLaDOS into the project. :) |
| 18:28 | | * Derakon scores a whopping zero points in 7.64 seconds. Woot. |
| 18:56 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 19:28 | <@Derakon> | Aghlblarghlbal. |
| 19:28 | <@Derakon> | Declaring a list in Python, and then accidentally putting a comma after the closing ] changes the type into a tuple containing a list. |
| 19:29 | <@McMartin> | Only if it's also in parentheses! |
| 19:29 | <@Derakon> | self.errorText = ['Yadda', 'yadda', 'yadda'], |
| 19:30 | <@Derakon> | That was causing an error when I passed it to my drawText function. Because of the comma, I was passing in (['Yadda', 'yadda', 'yadda']) instead of the plain list. |
| 19:30 | <@McMartin> | Huh. |
| 19:30 | <@McMartin> | Oh right, Print. |
| 19:31 | <@Derakon> | ...I assume, then, that this is fixed in Python 3.0 which no longer treats print as its own special unique flower? |
| 19:31 | <@McMartin> | Posssibly, but unsure |
| 19:31 | <@McMartin> | print is just the place where you usually use this |
| 19:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | |
| 19:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | How does that even work? |
| 19:32 | <@Derakon> | I don't know! |
| 19:32 | <@McMartin> | But there's still an ambiguity between (x) - which is x, in parentheses - and (x,), which is a 1-tuple containing x. |
| 19:32 | <@McMartin> | This is ugly but you have to do *something* to separate the two. |
| 19:32 | <@Derakon> | But bereft of parens, the comma should be a syntax error. |
| 19:32 | <@McMartin> | Right. |
| 19:32 | <@Derakon> | We're talking the difference between "x" and "x,". |
| 19:32 | <@McMartin> | The "oh right print" is because "print x" is printing x and a new line and "print x," is printing x and space |
| 19:33 | | * Derakon refactors all of his various pages/dialogs into separate classes. |
| 19:34 | <@Derakon> | (And thus moves some text from being just in the call to drawText, to being member fields. Hence the bug) |
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| 19:43 | <@Derakon> | Hrm...wonder if it's worth the effort of supporting pasting from the clipboard. |
| 19:43 | <@Derakon> | It'd be a different solution for each OS. |
| 19:49 | <@McMartin> | What would be being pasted in? |
| 19:50 | <@McMartin> | (Also, Bigspiral-4, 43,286) |
| 19:50 | <@McMartin> | (I hereby dub pinwheel2 "whiplash") |
| 19:50 | <@Derakon> | McM: registration code. |
| 19:52 | | * Derakon ponders extra modes. |
| 19:52 | <@Derakon> | Inflector locked on. |
| 19:52 | <@Derakon> | No frame limiting (game runs as fast as possible) |
| 19:53 | <@Derakon> | How about a mode where you try to get as many bullets into stable orbit as possible? Every five seconds or so a bullet is fired at you and you have to keep every bullet a) from hitting you, b) from leaving the screen, and c) from leaving the influence of your inflector. |
| 19:53 | <@Derakon> | That'd be completely outside the course/pattern paradigm, of course. |
| 19:55 | <@McMartin> | Heh. That sounds more like a free-play mode |
| 19:55 | <@McMartin> | Speaking of |
| 19:55 | <@McMartin> | The inflector oughta have a minimal build rate maybe? |
| 19:55 | <@McMartin> | As it is there's no one-up mechanism that isn't "die like crazy" |
| 19:56 | <@Derakon> | Are you saying that the inflector being on, alone, should always increase the meter at least a little? |
| 19:56 | <@Derakon> | Or that it builds too slowly when bullets are further away? |
| 19:56 | <@Derakon> | Charge speed decreases with the square of range, as does the influence of the inflector. I could make that linear instead. |
| 20:00 | <@McMartin> | I was saying the former, but it translates to the latter. |
| 20:11 | <@Derakon> | It's been less than 24 hours since beto1 went out and my changelist has 10 items on it so far~ |
| 20:11 | <@McMartin> | My point is actually a balance issue, not a bug per se |
| 20:11 | <@McMartin> | Also, I can't replicate the controls screwup for some reason |
| 20:11 | <@Derakon> | Mash buttons, wiggle joystick~ |
| 20:11 | <@McMartin> | Also also, it fails horribly if your screen is 800x600~ |
| 20:12 | <@Derakon> | ... |
| 20:12 | <@Derakon> | Yes, it would. |
| 20:12 | <@McMartin> | ... and possibly if it's 1024x768; how tall is the window? |
| 20:12 | <@Derakon> | 650. |
| 20:12 | <@McMartin> | OK, that should be fine, then. |
| 20:12 | <@McMartin> | Fullscreen will be wacky on 4:3, of course. |
| 20:12 | <@Derakon> | And it occurs to me that the game is not resolution-independent in the slightest. |
| 20:14 | <@McMartin> | ... it's not? |
| 20:14 | <@McMartin> | How are you doing the demo screen? |
| 20:14 | <@Derakon> | I meant in the sense of displaying more stuff on larger screens. |
| 20:14 | <@Derakon> | Which would change the game balance. |
| 20:14 | <@McMartin> | Oh. Right. |
| 20:14 | <@Derakon> | I could of course scale things up/down. |
| 20:14 | <@Derakon> | As I am for the demoscreen. |
| 20:38 | <@Derakon> | Hm. Falloff is linear. I can increase the strength of the inflector though. |
| 20:38 | <@Derakon> | ("is linear" i.e. "always has been linear") |
| 20:41 | | * Derakon coughs. http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp2/whoops.png |
| 20:41 | <@UndeadAnno> | IT'S UNDER 0! |
| 20:42 | <@Derakon> | Hm. Alternate game mode: deflector. |
| 20:42 | <@Derakon> | Works just like the inflector in reverse, but penalizes your score and bomb count when used, instead of improving them. |
| 20:43 | | * TheWatcher approves of this idea |
| 20:52 | <@Derakon> | McM -- what's required to run Pygame without a parent console window in Windows? |
| 20:53 | <@McMartin> | I'm not sure offhand. |
| 20:53 | <@McMartin> | What happens if you rename the main .py to ".pyw"? |
| 20:53 | <@McMartin> | Otherwise it's some switch. |
| 20:53 | <@McMartin> | Generally the way you do this in a Python install is to run Pythonw.exe instead of Python.exe |
| 20:53 | <@McMartin> | Which disconnects the console |
| 20:54 | <@McMartin> | Note that it *disconnects* it, it does not send it to /dev/null |
| 20:54 | <@McMartin> | stdout will not exist |
| 20:54 | <@Derakon> | Causing an error if printed to? |
| 20:54 | <@McMartin> | yup |
| 20:54 | <@Derakon> | I can live with that. |
| 20:55 | <@McMartin> | I don't know how to make py2exe do that though |
| 20:57 | <@Derakon> | Given that running py2exe involves telling it the name of the "root" script, I don't think that'll be a problem. |
| 20:57 | <@Derakon> | I just need to get the most recent version of the game transferred over... |
| 21:02 | <@Derakon> | Argle bargle fargle stupid "hide file extensions" defaults to on who the bloody hell thought that was a good idea rasser frassin' OS... |
| 21:02 | <@Derakon> | My file is not makeexe.py.txt! |
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| 21:09 | <@Derakon> | Switching to pyw didn't change it. :\ |
| 21:10 | <@Derakon> | I mean, if I run it directly, it works fine, but py2exe still generates the console window. |
| 21:13 | <@Derakon> | Ahh, there we go. |
| 21:18 | | * ToxicFrog implements CLOSURE(LR-item-set)! |
| 21:19 | | * Derakon releases beta-2. |
| 21:19 | <@Derakon> | Windows: http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/bulletml-beta2.zip |
| 21:19 | <@Derakon> | Mac: http://derakon.dyndns.org/~chriswei/temp/bulletml-beta2.tgz |
| 21:20 | | * TheWatcher downloadies |
| 21:27 | <@UndeadAnno> | Hooge. |
| 21:27 | <@Derakon> | It's only 23MB~ |
| 21:27 | <@Derakon> | About half of which is the explosion graphic. |
| 21:29 | <@UndeadAnno> | I gather. |
| 21:29 | <@UndeadAnno> | I didn't expect you to use a fuzzy-neural AI in that. |
| 21:29 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 21:35 | <@TheWatcher> | Minor niggle - the binary is back to being 'bulletml.exe' again |
| 21:35 | <@UndeadAnno> | I heard from a buddy of mine that he got to play a game of cross and circle (dunno what's in called in English, it's a connect 3 on a 3x3 grid) with an adaptive AI. The first couple of games, it was easy to win, but as you played, a certain file got bigger and bigger, and before you knew, it was only possible to draw or lose. |
| 21:35 | <@Derakon> | TW: whoops. |
| 21:36 | <@Derakon> | Anno: in the USA we call that "tic-tac-toe", and no, I don't know why. |
| 21:37 | <@UndeadAnno> | How I shot bullet?! |
| 21:37 | <@Derakon> | Tsk. How violent. |
| 21:37 | <@Derakon> | Your ship is peaceful, maaan. |
| 21:38 | | * Derakon ponders billing Fusillade as a protest game~ |
| 21:38 | <@UndeadAnno> | ...I had no idea. |
| 21:39 | <@Derakon> | Fusillade is all about dodging. |
| 21:39 | <@Derakon> | I view it as being the logical progression of the "bullet hell" genre, in which you can shoot, but the main focus is on surviving waves of boss patterns. |
| 21:40 | <@Consul> | It's called "naughts and crosses" in England. |
| 21:40 | <@Consul> | I don't know why I know that. |
| 21:42 | <@UndeadAnno> | Derakon: Not my type of game, I'm afraid. I'm all about ANNO SMASH BUTTON DIE~! |
| 21:42 | <@Derakon> | Ahh, well. |
| 21:42 | <@Derakon> | Thanks for checking it out. |
| 21:43 | <@Derakon> | My next game will let you kill things. |
| 21:45 | <@UndeadAnno> | No problem. |
| 21:46 | | * UndeadAnno briefly ponders reverse engineering parts of DF's wound system for personal use. ;) |
| 21:49 | <@Consul> | Ooh, you should paint a peace symbol with a tie-dyed pattern on your ship! |
| 21:49 | | Vornicus [~vorn@Admin.Nightstar.Net] has joined #code |
| 21:49 | | mode/#code [+o Vornicus] by ChanServ |
| 21:56 | <@McMartin> | I believe the correct answer is that "You get shot by bullet by pushing '" |
| 21:57 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 21:57 | <@Derakon> | New beta out, Vorn. |
| 21:57 | | * Vornicus saw. |
| 22:16 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 22:29 | <@gnolam> | UndeadAnno: was your friend's computer opponent called W.O.P.R. by any chance? |
| 22:32 | <@UndeadAnno> | He didn't say. |
| 22:32 | <@gnolam> | Because it's a strange game, that. The only winning move is not to play. |
| 23:02 | | UndeadAnno [~farkoff@Nightstar-29780.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: I like my random encounters like I like my tea and my women - deadly.] |
| 23:24 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 23:38 | | * TheWatcher eyes this code, is attempting to determine whether it is genius or madness |
| 23:39 | <@TheWatcher> | I think it may well be both, I'm not entirely sure what I was on when I wrote this. |
| --- Log closed Sat Feb 07 00:00:39 2009 |