| --- Log opened Wed Jan 28 00:00:00 2009 |
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| 03:13 | < Derakon> | I'm working on coming up with a list of to-dos for the BulletML project. If you can think of anything, feel free to suggest it. |
| 03:13 | < Derakon> | Right now I have: new name, sound effects, clean up the UI, reconfigurable controls. |
| 04:56 | < Derakon> | Oh, that's neat. Vim recognizes that return statements mean it's time to unindent a code block. |
| 05:13 | < Derakon> | Okay, controls are now configurable. |
| 05:13 | < Derakon> | There's no actual UI to do this, but controls are written to a config file and that config file is obeyed. |
| 05:13 | < Derakon> | So if you know the Pygame key constants then you can change the controls~ |
| 05:18 | < Derakon> | And now I've fixed that annoying bug that locked controls down if they were pressed at the start of gameplay. |
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| 13:19 | < cici> | Attilla türkmüsün la |
| 13:19 | < cici> | :D |
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| 16:14 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Okay, am I missing something obvious? I cannot for the life of me work out how to find what autoconf incantations to use for any given package. |
| 16:14 | < Alek> | man? |
| 16:15 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I don't mean to run autoconf(1), I mean what on Earth to put in configure.ac in order to use any given library. |
| 16:17 | < Alek> | man? |
| 16:22 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Nope. I only wish it were that easy. |
| 16:22 | <@MyCatVerbs> | (Seriously, if it were, I wouldn't even be asking.) |
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| 16:47 | | * gnolam shudders. |
| 16:47 | <@gnolam> | Autotools... |
| 16:57 | <@McMartin> | Generally, copy someone else's and pray |
| 16:57 | <@McMartin> | I have an entire book on using autoconf and I still can't make anything work. |
| 16:57 | <@McMartin> | UQM wound up rolling its own build manager because it was easier to rewrite from scratch. |
| 16:59 | <@MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: egad. With, like, pkg-config support and everything? |
| 17:00 | <@McMartin> | Well, no, we just called pkg-config directly, same as sdl-config. |
| 17:00 | <@McMartin> | Unless you mean something else |
| 17:00 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Ah, sane. |
| 17:01 | | * MyCatVerbs was thinking something semi-generic for which you would be able to specify any library that used pkg-config by some small invocation. |
| 17:01 | <@UndeadAnno> | Ia! Ia! |
| 17:01 | <@McMartin> | Nah. It's a big problem. |
| 17:02 | <@McMartin> | This was essentially autogenerating makefiles from nicer lists of options and files. |
| 17:02 | <@MyCatVerbs> | UndeadAnno: fhtagn! |
| 17:02 | | * MyCatVerbs snerks. Google doesn't treat "fhtagn" as a misspelt word. |
| 17:03 | <@McMartin> | It will, however, likely treat "fthagn" as one unless too many people have noticed on the internet |
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| 17:54 | <@McMartin> | Ha ha ha ha ha |
| 17:54 | <@McMartin> | OK, I see the guy at Ars Technica had as much trouble with VirtualBox 2.1 as I did. More, even. |
| 17:54 | <@McMartin> | Including INEXPLICABLE KITTENS IN THE GUI. |
| 17:54 | <@McMartin> | Which I did not get. |
| 17:54 | <@McMartin> | http://static.arstechnica.com/17-VISTA64glitch.jpg |
| 17:55 | | * Serah giggles. |
| 17:55 | <@Serah> | I want kittens in my GUI too. |
| 17:55 | <@McMartin> | (Caption: "I can haz menubar?") |
| 17:56 | <@McMartin> | Also, http://static.arstechnica.com/16-vistadisplay.jpg (caption: "The phone rang shortly after and I now have a week to live") |
| 17:56 | <@Serah> | Hehe. |
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| 18:11 | <@Serah> | How long does a pastie live in the pastebin? |
| 18:14 | <@MyCatVerbs> | McMartin: inexplicable GUI kittens? Shit, I'd pay extra. |
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| 18:56 | | * gnolam stabs Vista's sound system with a rusty spork. |
| 18:58 | | * ToxicFrog takes the fork when gnolam is done with it and applies it vigorously to PulseAudio |
| 19:02 | <@gnolam> | That's just the thing. They've made it feel like... well... Linux. 5 years ago. :P |
| 19:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is a recurring trend. |
| 19:03 | | * ToxicFrog points at, say, the introduction of seperate kernel/user space and filesystem permissions in winNT |
| 19:29 | <@GeekSoldier> | That kitten is one of the default Vista user icons. looks to be where it would be placed on the start menu. |
| 19:29 | <@GeekSoldier> | I cannot for the life of me get 5.1 sound working on my Vista64 box. |
| 19:42 | <@MyCatVerbs> | http://www.geocities.com/ze_aks/myBooK/ThreeBugsWithOneStone.html <- lollercaust @ the crazy. |
| 19:42 | <@MyCatVerbs> | http://gafferongames.com/2008/10/20/fix-your-timestep-crazy-internet-stalker/ (for reference) |
| 19:42 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Context too, even. |
| 20:07 | <@gnolam> | Man. I'd have wanted that link a couple of weeks ago. |
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| 20:16 | <@gnolam> | A forum I frequent had a huge fixed VS delta timestep flamewar a couple of weeks ago. |
| 20:16 | <@gnolam> | I could've used those links then. :) |
| 20:27 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I suspect this is a stupid question, but I need to send out a whole shitload of packets by UDP. I suspect that I do want to make sure each client has been sent each packet before I attempt to send them a successive one, but I really cannot afford to block while sending all those packets. Is there any painless portable asynchronous IO? |
| 20:28 | | * Vornicus reads the original Fix Your Timestep article, declares it Good. |
| 20:30 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Vornicus: oh aye. I implemented that and left it running for two hours. Measured inccuracy (stepping at 100Hz) was roughly equal the margin of error of my measurement. :) |
| 20:31 | <@MyCatVerbs> | A bit of a pain in the hindquarters to get everything to play nicely with poll()ing for network input. |
| 20:31 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Also: ideally without needing to restructure my event loop any further to accomodate playing games with poll(2) or select(2)ing for to check if the socket is writable (heck, am I even able to ask about writability on a UDP socket?) |
| 20:31 | <@Serah> | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/28/109240 |
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| 21:18 | <@Vornicus> | Making sure your socket stuff goes through is the job of TCP. |
| 21:35 | <@McMartin> | Re: kittens: Yeah, I figured it was a default user icon. |
| 21:35 | <@McMartin> | But still. INEXPLICABLE MENUBAR KITTEN |
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| 23:20 | < Derakon> | Hrmph. I need to actually design the UI for the game now. |
| 23:36 | <@Vornicus> | Heh |
| 23:52 | <@Consul> | Derakon: I have an idea for you. Instead of a ship and some sci-fi-like bullets, have the player character be a cute little kitten dodging bullets from the guns of... Dick Cheney, maybe? I can already hear the sound effects... |
| 23:52 | < Derakon> | ... |
| 23:53 | < Derakon> | I don't think political humar is my strong suit. |
| 23:53 | <@Consul> | I just pulled Dick Cheney out of my ass. |
| 23:53 | <@Consul> | And boy did it hurt. |
| 23:53 | | * Derakon facepalms. |
| 23:53 | <@Consul> | It doesn't have to be him. Just the cute little kitten is funny enough., |
| 23:54 | < Derakon> | I think the game will have more staying power if it takes itself seriously. |
| 23:54 | < Derakon> | But thanks for some bizarre mental images. |
| 23:54 | <@Consul> | This is what 1 hour of sleep does to me. |
| 23:59 | <@Consul> | We're studying Gauss' Law in physics right now, and I can't understand any of it. |
| 23:59 | <@Consul> | I don't even know what the problems in the chapter are asking me to do, most of the time. |
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