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| 00:03 | | Vornicus-Latens is now known as Vornicus |
| 00:14 | | * ToxicFrog froths |
| 00:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Dual head should not be remotely this hard |
| 00:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | So far I've tried three configuration tools and I don't know how many different xorg.conf contents, and the conclusion I've reached is that I can have any dual-head setup I like provided that the external monitor (1) is considered the primary if in xinerama mode and (2) is driven at 1024x768 |
| 00:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | The latter is especially rageworthy since it's a 1650x1080 LCD |
| 00:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | With the result that 1024x768 is not only not remotely using its full capabilities, but also looks like utter shit. |
| 00:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | On the plus side, the new S-Video capture card continues the trend of linux being many orders of magnitude better than windows when it comes to video capture. |
| 00:42 | <@Consul> | I have a video file that Devede chokes on for some reason, even though Totem can play it fine. |
| 00:44 | <@Consul> | And no tovid in Fedora's repos. |
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| 00:49 | <@Consul> | Wow, it didn't like something I did. It reset X. |
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| 01:24 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 01:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | tovid? |
| 01:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you're trying to convert it, check out mencoder |
| 01:34 | <@Consul> | Well, anything's worth a try at this point. Thanks. |
| 01:38 | | * Derakon recompiles ImageMagick. |
| 01:40 | <@Consul> | The problem is, I don't know the exact specs of DVD video file. |
| 01:41 | <@Consul> | Or, really, anything about how to convert a file to a DVD image. |
| 01:42 | <@Consul> | I always counted on Devede to work that out for me, but this particular file locks it up, despite Totem's ability to play the file fine. |
| 01:48 | <@Consul> | And converting it to something else only to have Devede convert it again seems pointless. |
| 01:48 | <@Consul> | Unless there's a lossless in-between option I can use. |
| 01:50 | <@Derakon> | Well! I'm glad I decided to test the compiled binary before installing it. |
| 01:50 | <@Derakon> | Somehow it's failed to notice my libpng install. |
| 01:54 | <@Derakon> | Or alternatively, it just doesn't work properly until you do an install. Thanks a lot, IM. |
| 02:00 | <@Derakon> | So the big problem with the puzzle game right now is that you can't lose it. |
| 02:01 | <@Derakon> | You can hit a point at which your score no longer goes up, but that isn't cause for termination. |
| 02:02 | <@Derakon> | What I'm thinking is that you have a minimum score, set each time you level up; if your score goes below this point then you lose. |
| 02:02 | <@Derakon> | So e.g. at level 1 (penalty 5pts per rotation) your minimum score would be -200pts. At level 2 (penalty 10pts per rotation) it would be (score at levelup - 400pts). And so on. |
| 02:05 | | * Vornicus had a different thought: a time limit on hitting the match button. |
| 02:06 | <@Derakon> | Time limits result in totally different playstyles. I'd like to support both contemplative and more frantic play. |
| 02:06 | <@Derakon> | But in different game modes. |
| 02:08 | <@Derakon> | In other news, damn I made some shiny graphics. <3 |
| 02:12 | <@Derakon> | Also, RMB->CCW rotation was simple. |
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| 02:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | Consul: there are in fact lossless in-between options; the only problem is that they're huge. |
| 02:19 | <@Consul> | Well, I have the space. It would be temporary anyway. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Of course, the real question here is why are you generating DVDs, given that MPEG-2 is shit~ |
| 02:20 | <@Consul> | So we can watch them in the living room. |
| 02:20 | <@McMartin> | Well, sometimes you want to feed it to a DVD player. |
| 02:20 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. |
| 02:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's why you hook a computer up to the TV. |
| 02:20 | <@McMartin> | Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 02:20 | <@McMartin> | *gasp* |
| 02:20 | <@McMartin> | hahahahahahahahahaha |
| 02:20 | <@McMartin> | hahahaha |
| 02:21 | <@Consul> | Why does everyone assume that that's an option? |
| 02:21 | <@McMartin> | (PS: hahaha) |
| 02:21 | <@McMartin> | You may notice I'm not. |
| 02:21 | <@Consul> | Yeah, I noticed. :-) |
| 02:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | (or there are these little boxes you can get that will play MPEG-4 AVIs off of a normal (UDF?) DVD+R) |
| 02:21 | <@McMartin> | TV out is the most ridiculously finicky piece of equipement I have ever seen for a PC. |
| 02:21 | <@McMartin> | And that includes research prototype haptic interfaces. |
| 02:21 | <@Derakon> | Granted the latter tends to run on a very constrained set of hardware~ |
| 02:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oddly, TV-out - in the form of on-card S-Video connectors - is the one sort of multihead that has reliably and consistently worked for me under both linux and windows. |
| 02:22 | <@McMartin> | You also found nVidia drivers unusably unstable and ATI drivers rocksolid~ |
| 02:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Plug in cable, xrandr --output TV --same-as LVDS |
| 02:24 | <@McMartin> | Also note that your solution requires purchasing additional hardware. |
| 02:24 | <@Consul> | I would love to build a MythTV box for the living room. |
| 02:24 | <@McMartin> | The last time I plugged even a midrange graphic card into Zinglon, it stopped POSTing. |
| 02:24 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: ok, true, I do tend to assume the presence of a laptop |
| 02:24 | <@Consul> | I even found a nice hi-fi-looking computer case to stuff it into. |
| 02:25 | <@McMartin> | Pretty sure no laptop I've ever worked with had S-Video out. |
| 02:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can't recall seeing a laptop that didn't apart from the EEE in recent memory. |
| 02:25 | <@McMartin> | My Thinkpad didn't, and my MBP only appears to have DVI out. |
| 02:26 | <@McMartin> | Unless I'm misinterpreting the plugs. |
| 02:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hell, my family has between us five laptops, all different brands and different eras, and all of them have S-Video. |
| 02:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or some bastard deceptive socket that looks like S-Video but needs a special cable to actually talk to the TV, but, close enough. |
| 02:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | Consul: MythTV is pretty awesome, yes |
| 02:27 | <@McMartin> | I can identify every plug on this, so unless theres a DVI<->S-Video adapter, MBPs don't do this. |
| 02:27 | <@McMartin> | But then, my MBP has a better screen than my TV. |
| 02:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Heh. |
| 02:29 | <@ToxicFrog> | And as far as I know there's no such thing, although I suppose there may exist a wacky video card that multipins it or something |
| 02:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Incidentally, Consul: there's at least one brand of solid-state MythTV client applience on the market |
| 02:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | So you can just install the server on whichever system has the videos anyways and use one of those, too |
| 02:32 | <@Consul> | That's a thought... |
| 02:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | (my parents have one; it's pretty nice, and it's tiny, about the size of a four-port switch) |
| 02:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and has a remote control) |
| 02:35 | <@Consul> | Can it handle digital cable? |
| 02:35 | <@Consul> | Blargh. Devede crashed in the middle of a job. |
| 02:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | You mean the server? |
| 02:37 | <@Consul> | The MythTV appliance you just mentioned. |
| 02:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | That depends entirely on whether there exists a V4L-compatible capture card that does digital cable, and as to that, I have no idea. |
| 02:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | The applience is *just* a client |
| 02:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | You plug the TV into end, and into the other end you plug an ethernet cable, and you tell it which computer is the server |
| 02:39 | <@Consul> | So if I want my cable to go through, I need a cable where my server is, which is a no-go in my house. That brings me back to my custom build. |
| 02:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | And the server is responsible for video capture and deployment. |
| 02:39 | <@Consul> | This house was built before 1893. It doesn't take well to retrofitting. |
| 02:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | I actually wasn't even thinking about cable; I was considering for easily playing all the videos already stored on the computer. |
| 02:40 | <@Consul> | I won't bother if I can't get the TiVO-like capabilities, too. |
| 02:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 02:41 | <@Consul> | That's half the reason for bothering. |
| 02:43 | <@Consul> | I wonder if MythTV can handle HD. We're setting our sights on a Samsung LCD HDTV, a really nice one, for next year. |
| 02:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Depends on the hardware. |
| 02:44 | <@Consul> | So, I'd need to track down a digital cable card that supports HD and has Linux drivers. No sweat! :-/ |
| 02:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | This kind of headache is why I get what little TV I watch entirely via bittorrent. |
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| 02:55 | <@Consul> | Shit! Everything's crashing on me all of a sudden! |
| 02:56 | <@Consul> | And it all seems to be in connection with trying to convert video files. |
| 02:56 | <@Consul> | Is one of my cores going bad? |
| 03:04 | <@Consul> | Maybe some bad memory. That would suck. |
| 03:04 | <@Consul> | And I bought good brand-name stuff, too. |
| 03:07 | <@Consul> | Although it pains me I can't remember which one. Just that it was name-brand. |
| 03:13 | | * McMartin eyes some instructions at work. |
| 03:13 | <@McMartin> | "Step 11 (optional): Have pie" |
| 03:14 | <@C_tiger> | mmmmmmmmmm pie |
| 03:17 | <@Consul> | Well, Maxima isn't quite as polished as Maple 12 but it's quite capable. |
| 03:21 | <@Consul> | I had to foil (2-x)^3 by hand today on my calc 3 final. Royal pain in the ass. Maxima just told me I got it right, though. |
| 03:22 | < Vornicus> | Dude, that shit's easy. |
| 03:22 | <@Consul> | But it's really easy for me to lose track of where I am, and drop a sign. |
| 03:22 | < Vornicus> | ...uh. |
| 03:22 | <@Consul> | And one mistake early on in a triple-integral problem... |
| 03:23 | <@Consul> | Just revel in your superior math skills and assume I'm an idiot. |
| 03:23 | <@Consul> | We all have our shortcomings, after all. |
| 03:23 | < Vornicus> | YOu're not actually using the binomial theorem, are you. |
| 03:23 | <@Consul> | I can do triple-integrals until I need to foil a binomial twice. |
| 03:24 | <@Consul> | The trick with Pascal's Triangle? I would've loved to if I could remember it. |
| 03:24 | < Vornicus> | heh |
| 03:25 | <@Consul> | I can do it the long way as long as I'm careful with my signs. |
| 03:25 | <@Consul> | I find dropping or reversing signs way too easy at the best of times. It's my single biggest mental-block. |
| 03:26 | <@Consul> | I don't remember being taught anything by the name "Binomial Theorem". If I was, it was a very long time ago. |
| 03:26 | <@Consul> | Having to raise binomials to N powers disappears as a needed skill for a long time. |
| 03:27 | <@Consul> | Then suddenly, it rears up again. |
| 03:28 | <@Consul> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_theorem -- Nope, I was definitely never taught this. |
| 03:41 | <@Consul> | I don't think it would've made a a degree 3 binomial any easier. |
| 03:41 | <@Consul> | Beyond that, and I can see the value. |
| 03:53 | <@Consul> | Sorry about the outburst. My confidence has been at an all-time low since starting double integrals. I find the problem setups daunting. |
| 03:53 | <@Consul> | As if I finished partial derivatives and my brain said, "nope, no more for me." |
| 04:03 | < Vornicus> | To be perfectly frank I rarely touch calc these days. |
| 05:04 | <@Derakon> | Any good ideas for converting m4a (the only file format that GarageBand appears to export as) to .ogg? |
| 05:04 | <@Derakon> | Or .wav, if I have to. |
| 05:07 | < Vornicus> | iTunes can do m4a to mp3 |
| 05:08 | <@Derakon> | You have to pay for licensing to use MP3s in your software, though. Hence ogg. |
| 05:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | mencoder probably understands it. Winamp almost certainly does if you have a windows machine kicking aroudn. |
| 05:09 | <@Derakon> | I do not. |
| 05:09 | <@Derakon> | Maybe Audacity can convert it? |
| 05:09 | < Vornicus> | I was under the impression that any such silliness was gone. i mean, most open source systems can handle mp3s without thinking anyway. |
| 05:10 | <@Derakon> | Audacity cannot open m4a files. |
| 05:10 | <@Derakon> | In any event, Pygame's mixer only handles ogg and wav. |
| 05:10 | <@Derakon> | And I'm not about to roll my own mixer. |
| 05:15 | <@Derakon> | Good gravy there's a lot of for-pay converters out there. |
| 05:15 | | * jerith considers sox. |
| 05:16 | < Vornicus> | Socks are your friends |
| 05:17 | <@Derakon> | And they all have horrendously sketchy-looking websites. |
| 05:18 | <@Derakon> | Many of them are on those download aggregators. |
| 05:19 | <@Derakon> | Yay! http://www.nch.com.au/switch/ |
| 05:31 | <@Serah> | Possibly convert it to mp3 an from mp3 to .ogg. |
| 05:32 | <@Derakon> | The app I linked does what I need. |
| 05:32 | <@Derakon> | So now I have sound effects. Just crappy ones. |
| 05:48 | <@Derakon> | Argh. And of course now that I have to test getting combos longer than 4, I'm utterly unable to. |
| 05:50 | | * Derakon successfully gets a 7-combo...and verifies that the sounds do not play properly. Dammit. |
| 05:52 | | * Vornicus manufactures long combos along the bottom. |
| 06:00 | <@Derakon> | Argh! |
| 06:01 | <@Derakon> | Chaos keeps ruining my six-combos! |
| 06:01 | <@Derakon> | Er, seven-combos. |
| 06:01 | <@Serah> | Then disable chaos. |
| 06:01 | <@Serah> | Set up an envoironment for the purpose of testing this. |
| 06:01 | <@Serah> | Create an artificial situation. |
| 06:02 | <@Derakon> | That sounds like work~ |
| 06:02 | <@Derakon> | That sounds like work~ |
| 06:02 | <@Derakon> | Er, whups. |
| 06:04 | | * Derakon simply removes half the colors. |
| 06:04 | <@Serah> | See? That works. |
| 06:04 | <@Derakon> | And there goes a 16-combo. Impressive. Scored 6060 points. |
| 06:05 | <@Derakon> | Also, the board looks rather like a Christmas lights display with only green, red, and yellow. |
| 06:07 | <@Derakon> | ...27-combo. Scored 32598. |
| 06:07 | <@Derakon> | And the problem with the sounds was that I was trying to play a sound before it finished. Easy to fix. So now I have four chime effects that play a rising major chord, and then on the fifth, sixth, and seventh combos I play combinations of chimes. |
| 06:09 | | * Derakon sets the colors to 2, to find out if he'll get sick of the sound effects before the board manages to arrange itself so that there are no matches. |
| 06:09 | <@Derakon> | We're up to a 60-comob and no signs of stopping. |
| 06:11 | <@Derakon> | Yeah, this isn't gonna stop anytime soon. Combo count ~150, each match is adding about 50k points. |
| 06:11 | <@Derakon> | And of course as soon as I put it back on 6 colors the board starts out with a length-10 combo, the longest I've ever seen (and the most valuable at 1590 points). |
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| 19:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: more bug reports against nfrotz! |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | >restore |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Enter a file name. |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Default is "01.sav": lp/01.sav |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | /(failednullRESTOREbackconfusion)\ |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | >restore |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Enter a file name. |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Default is "lp/01.sav": 01.sav |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | /(yesunfoldingbackwardsRESTORErenewpointtimespace)\ |
| 19:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Note that 01.sav and lp/01.sav are the same file. |
| 20:01 | <@McMartin> | Mm. I wonder if that's the multibyte stuff stinging us again. |
| 20:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | LP? Let's Play? |
| 20:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes. |
| 20:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: also, if |
| 20:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | I script to "lp/02.scr", it gets the lolnultermination effect as well. |
| 20:10 | <@McMartin> | Well |
| 20:10 | <@McMartin> | Can you try to replicate this on something that isn't messing with the metaverbs~ |
| 20:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Heh. Alright |
| 20:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can't reproduce the SAVE or RESTORE bugs with Zork. |
| 20:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | I can, however, reproduce the problem with SCRIPTing to a subdirectory. |
| 20:13 | <@McMartin> | That's a different compiler, though. |
| 20:13 | <@McMartin> | OK. |
| 20:13 | <@McMartin> | Try doing the restore thing on Lost Pig. |
| 20:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, yes. I figured that that would help in sorting out which bugs are compiler or library and which are interpreter. |
| 20:14 | <@McMartin> | Ssssort of. If the library is wrong but, say, WinFrotz does the right thing, then the interpreter is blamed anyway. |
| 20:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | lp/03.scrX\!^? zork.scr.4\!^? -- I can generate bad filenames from >SCRIPT in zork without the subdirectory, too! |
| 20:17 | <@McMartin> | This is almost certainly in the zchar<->char conversions. |
| 20:20 | | * McMartin is going out to dinner tonight, but will try to replicate on a debug build tonight or tomorrow. |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aha! You can find out who you are (or, well, who your body is) before going home, if you're slightly metagamish while talking to James |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | > ASK JAMES ABOUT PRECESSOR and > ASK JAMES ABOUT BRAND result in the same line of conversation. |
| 20:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also > SHOW BOX TO JAMES results in "I've often admired it. It's where you keep your personal journals, is it not?" |
| 20:24 | | * AnnoDomini is watching the dongs.exe LP. |
| 20:33 | < Alek> | ... |
| 20:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Dongs.exe/ |
| 20:35 | <@McMartin> | TF: It sounds like your loyal retainers are recalcitrant, but you really should try to force the first vote to be between endings C and D. |
| 20:35 | <@McMartin> | If anyone's bright enough^W^Wread a walkthrough and convinces people to do A, then maybe allow it. |
| 20:35 | <@McMartin> | But not until you've done enough to be able to *do* C. |
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| 20:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: yeah. |
| 20:50 | < Vornicus> | McM: what IF was it that had a huge city and you could say "go to <place where you think you can find a particular object>" and it works? |
| 20:54 | <@McMartin> | That was this year's comp's game "Nightfall", by Eric Eve. |
| 21:05 | < Vornicus> | aha, thank you |
| 21:10 | <@McMartin> | Note that that was also me not reading the map that came with the game. |
| 21:11 | < Vornicus> | Well, yes, I know that - but the fact that you could /do/ that was nice. |
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| 22:24 | <@gnolam> | AnnoDomini: ... is that Pedobear in clip #2? |
| 22:24 | <@AnnoDomini> | It seems so. |
| 23:48 | <@Consul> | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Open-Sesame.aspx -- The most awesome WTF ever. |
| 23:53 | <@gnolam> | Saw that one. Pretty good solution actually. :) |
| 23:57 | <@Consul> | The biggest WTF on that entire site are the comments. :-/ |
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