| --- Log opened Thu Nov 27 00:00:27 2008 |
| 00:57 | <@Alek|gone> | I've finished the game tons of times without using Time Stop. |
| 00:58 | <@Alek|gone> | yeah, I used to have it for my Genesis. bro sold it. >:( |
| 00:59 | | * Vornicus has finished the game without Time Stop. Not /entirely/ though. |
| 01:04 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 01:16 | <@Derakon> | Heh. |
| 01:18 | <@Vornicus> | Usually though I'll have figured out where the scepter is before leaving the first continent. |
| 01:20 | <@Vornicus> | At which point it's usually just "shit, have to find the archipelia charts now" or some such madness. |
| 01:48 | <@Reiver> | archipelia charts? |
| 01:56 | <@Vornicus> | Archipelia, the third of four continents in King's Bounty |
| 01:57 | <@Vornicus> | To get from one continent to the next, you have to find navigation charts. |
| 01:58 | <@Vornicus> | So on Continentia you'll find the charts to Forestria, and on Forestria you'll find the charts to Archipelia, and on Archipelia you'll find charts to Saharia. |
| 02:00 | <@Vornicus> | (there are no charts on Saharia.) |
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| 04:56 | <@Reiver> | Aaah. |
| 04:57 | <@Serah> | ? |
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| 06:37 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 07:40 | | * Alek|gone snerks at this little gem |
| 07:40 | <@Alek|gone> | #define FOREVER for(;;) |
| 07:42 | <@AnnoDomini> | I CAN SEE FOREVER. |
| 07:44 | <@Alek|gone> | ever hear of Symbian? |
| 07:56 | <@McMartin> | Urge to kill fading. |
| 07:56 | <@McMartin> | Well, no, that's a lie. Urge to hire a bigger army to kill more effectively rising. Anger fading, though. |
| 07:57 | <@McMartin> | Alek: You know the best for-related define ever? |
| 07:57 | <@McMartin> | #define for if (0); else for |
| 07:57 | <@McMartin> | Guess why you'd do this! |
| 09:24 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 09:32 | | * Serah PatPats McMartin. |
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| 13:53 | <@AnnoDomini> | McMartin: Asynchronous detection of 0? |
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| 14:06 | <@AnnoDomini> | Or maybe a way to detect if something went OMGWTFBBQ. |
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| 15:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: I have no idea. |
| 15:33 | | * TheWatcher eyes this perl code, gets out the refactoring machete |
| 15:37 | <@TheWatcher> | And the ' #define for if (0); else for' is to force proper scoping rules when doing for(int i = ....) { } for(int i = ....) { } - without the define, you get a multiple definition of i on some compilers. |
| 15:37 | <@TheWatcher> | At least, that's where I have seen it used |
| 15:39 | <@TheWatcher> | (AFAIK MS VC++ is the main offender for it) |
| 15:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 15:57 | <@gnolam> | MSVC 6.0 that is. |
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| 17:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | global.c: In function 'lsdl_flip': |
| 17:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | global.c:43: warning: 'return' with no value, in function returning non-void |
| 17:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | HOW IS THAT ONLY A WARNING |
| 17:31 | <@Consul> | Maybe it's a zen compiler. "Is that which is no value a value in itself?" |
| 17:35 | < GeekSoldier> | I don't think that C would be so zen, though. For zen compilers, I think Scheme. |
| 18:45 | | * ToxicFrog gets lines and pixels working, does some timing tests |
| 18:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pixels: ~1100 ops/millisecond. Lines: likewise. |
| 18:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Flips: 2.5/ms for a 256x256 surface. |
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| 19:28 | <@MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: It just returns undefined instead. |
| 19:29 | <@MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: I've seen someone actually run code despite that warning. |
| 19:29 | <@MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: he ended up with some random trash where a file descriptor was supposed to be. |
| 19:30 | <@MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: ended up rather confused when his program blew up on the first send(2) or recv(2). |
| 20:06 | <@McMartin> | TW is correct |
| 20:07 | <@McMartin> | One of the other fun things is that at the time, MSVC 6 was doing what the standard demanded. |
| 20:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Quite so. |
| 20:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, what C89 demanded. |
| 20:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | When was 6 released? |
| 20:17 | <@McMartin> | Early-to-mid 90s, I believe. |
| 20:17 | <@McMartin> | C89 forbids this construct. |
| 20:18 | <@McMartin> | It's what C++ at the time did. The standard changed to be what GNU does later. |
| 20:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 20:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | I could have sworn 6 was more recent than that |
| 20:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | What's the most recent version? |
| 20:22 | <@McMartin> | "2008" |
| 20:22 | <@McMartin> | They switched to years somewhere around 2003 |
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| 20:22 | <@McMartin> | But I belive the actual number is something like 9 or 10 |
| 20:23 | <@McMartin> | MSVC6 is what we started UQM on, and we were doing so with an eye to backcompat |
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| 20:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Incidentally, McMartin, any luck on Aquaria.dmg? |
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| 20:58 | <@McMartin> | Oh, right. Let me look at that right now. |
| 20:58 | | * McMartin forgot about it entirely because he needed to deliver fiery death^W^Wperfect safety to a pack of lemmings |
| 21:00 | <@McMartin> | Format: "MacOS Extended" |
| 21:01 | <@McMartin> | Interesting side point: Merely mounting it in Disk Utility caused it to run some of Ambrosia's stuff. |
| 21:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | I thought MacOS Extended was a synonym for HFS+ |
| 21:01 | <@McMartin> | Running the Verifier, it is indeed journaled HFS+. |
| 21:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Huh. |
| 21:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, there's something about it mount doesn't like: |
| 21:02 | <@McMartin> | If I had to guess, the Linux tools are barfing on the autorun thing, however the Hell that is happening. |
| 21:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | # mount -t hfsplus Aquaria.dmg /mnt/tmp -oro,loop |
| 21:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 21:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | missing codepage or other error |
| 21:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | # mount -t hfsplus Aquaria.dmg /mnt/tmp -oro,loop |
| 21:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 21:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | missing codepage or other error |
| 21:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er |
| 21:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | hfs: can't find a HFS filesystem on dev loop0. |
| 21:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock |
| 21:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vexatious. |
| 21:03 | <@McMartin> | I think Ambrosia has done something horrible to the format. |
| 21:03 | <@McMartin> | Also, having checked with skeletor, MSVC6 was released in 1998. |
| 21:06 | <@McMartin> | Poking elsewhere through it, I *believe* that for statements were changed in the standard in 2003. |
| 21:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | They behave as expected (ie, local scope) with -std=c99 |
| 21:09 | <@McMartin> | c99 and C++03 have nothing at all to do with one another. |
| 21:10 | <@McMartin> | And the standard active for C++ in 1999 was C++98. |
| 21:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh, C++ |
| 21:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was thinking plain C |
| 21:13 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. Try to do this in a C file in MSVC6 and it will - as was absolutely correct for 1998 - stab you in the face. |
| 21:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nod. |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | I forget offhand whether we're using 7.1 or 8.0 at work, but whichever one we're using has a compile-time switch you set for which behavior you want. Yay legacy modes. =P |
| 21:14 | | * McMartin also eyes C++0x. |
| 21:14 | <@McMartin> | [](int x, int y) -> int { int z = x + y; return z + x; } |
| 21:15 | <@McMartin> | I know they want to not add new keywords/tokens, but sometimes this gets a little out of hand |
| 21:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | That appears to be a rather unsettling lambda syntax. |
| 21:16 | <@McMartin> | That is in fact precisely what it is. |
| 21:17 | <@McMartin> | Looking at the language extensions, it is looking like C++'s resemblance to C is going to become progressively more coincidental. |
| 21:17 | <@McMartin> | auto SomeStruct::FuncName(int x, int y) -> int |
| 21:17 | <@McMartin> | { return f(x, y); } |
| 21:18 | <@McMartin> | Alternate function definition syntax to get around a lack of computed return types in template methods. |
| 21:19 | <@McMartin> | FUCK YES on "concepts", though, which are essentially interface specifications on templates. |
| 21:33 | <@McMartin> | Variadic templates fill me with horror but mean C++ finally, finally, finally gets an actual tuple type. |
| 21:41 | <@McMartin> | Category: Curly Bracket Programming Languages |
| 21:42 | <@McMartin> | I'd take "Things that Don't Fucking Matter for $400, Alex", except that this seems to be the primary objection leveled against Python by programmers and against TADS by non-programmers. |
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| 23:27 | <@Consul> | McMartin: Do you think it would be possible to rip PulseAudio out of Fedora 10? |
| 23:27 | <@Consul> | Well, let me clarify: ... without screwing up anything else. |
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| 23:32 | | * TheWatcher eyes this |
| 23:32 | <@TheWatcher> | This is bloody bizzare |
| 23:33 | <@TheWatcher> | `perl -e '$first = glob("/cygdrive/j/Dromed/may/fam/core_3/*.pcx /cygdrive/j/Dromed/may/fam/core_3/*.gif"); print $first;'` works fine, and prints out '/cygdrive/j/Dromed/may/fam/core_3/Planks26.pcx' |
| 23:34 | <@TheWatcher> | but this code in a larger script - `my $first = glob("$famdir/$entry/*.pcx $famdir/$entry/*.gif");` when $famdir = "/cygdrive/j/Dromed/may/fam" and $entry = "core_3" has $first coming out undef. |
| 23:39 | | * ToxicFrog takes that, uses it to beat javax.swing.* to death, buries the log in an unmarked grave in the arboretum |
| 23:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | The lot, even |
| 23:41 | <@TheWatcher> | ... and if I get the result of the glob in list context it works. Blegh, hohum |
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