| --- Log opened Mon Sep 22 00:00:41 2008 |
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| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | Snrk |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | if ((home = getenv("HOME")) == NULL) { |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | printf("Hard drive on fire!\n"); |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | exit(1); |
| 00:09 | <@McMartin> | } |
| 00:10 | <@ToxicFrog> | Pfft |
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| 00:27 | <@McMartin> | Also, the changelog for VBox 2.0.2 implies that the guest additions no longer freak out with "buggy X servers" which I assume means Xorg 1.5 |
| 00:31 | < Finerty> | What's buggy about xorg 1.5? |
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| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | It handles resolution and mouse operations wildly differently, apparently, and an upshot of this is that Fedora 9 freaked VBox the leeg out. |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | I note that running F10a inside VBox 2.0.2 (without additions, though) worked fine, except for a kernel error on startup which was apparently nonfatal. |
| 00:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | I had no trouble running 9 inside VB 1.6 |
| 00:35 | <@Doctor_Nick> | fedora 9 more like feBOREa 9 |
| 00:35 | <@Doctor_Nick> | boo yah |
| 00:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | The issue came when I tried to build the guest additions, at which point it said "I can't build the X11 modules because your X server is strange and alien" |
| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | What was the "I'm only rendering at 2048x1600 and I'm claiming the only res available is 640x480" one? |
| 00:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | I forget if that was Fedora 8 or some Ubuntu |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | <sanooj> so I just finished most of a BMP writer in 100 lines of infra structure class and 190 lines of near literal struct translation from msdn. |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | <sanooj> that's including all the iffy CIE XYZ colour space stuff and rendering intents in the new DIB formats that no-one uses. |
| 00:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | <sanooj> after years of tolerating perl's pack/unpack, that is a thing of beauty. |
| 00:43 | <@McMartin> | Nice |
| 00:43 | < Finerty> | TF: sanooj is using your struct lib, right? |
| 00:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 00:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and is responsible for at least 90% of the bug reports against it) |
| 00:46 | <@Doctor_Nick> | does anyone know of scripts to detect the file extensions of lost+found files |
| 00:47 | <@McMartin> | ls? |
| 00:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: lost+found only has the data; the filenames are generated from inode number or something |
| 00:47 | <@Doctor_Nick> | yes |
| 00:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | "file" might help |
| 00:47 | <@Doctor_Nick> | xfsrepair fucked my filesystem in the ass |
| 00:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | It won't give you the file extension, but will try to guess the data type based on the content |
| 00:48 | <@Doctor_Nick> | ok |
| 00:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | ("data" meaning "I have no idea") |
| 00:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wouldn't be too hard to pipe it through something that automatically applies extensions for all the files it does recognize. |
| 00:49 | <@Doctor_Nick> | im sure i can hack something together in perl |
| 00:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was thinking awk, but whatever works |
| 00:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's basically split + case anyways |
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| 05:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 05:20 | < Vornicus> | hmm? |
| 05:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | While I'm liking openSUSE in general, it has some very odd omissions from its repositories. |
| 05:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | For example, VLC and mplayer are both entirely absent. |
| 05:21 | < Vornicus> | v. odd |
| 05:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | This leaves you with, um, totem and kplayer for movie watching |
| 05:22 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is functionally equivalent to saying "you can't watch movies" |
| 05:23 | <@McMartin> | using VLC or mplayer means you hate freedom |
| 05:23 | <@McMartin> | why do you hate freedom so much |
| 05:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Even on ubuntu, IIRC, I can get mplayer |
| 05:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | And it has no trouble installing, say, mp3 codecs |
| 05:23 | <@McMartin> | Yes, Ubuntu hates freedom. |
| 05:23 | <@McMartin> | As does Livna. |
| 05:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | ISTR getting mplayer without livna, but I could be wrong |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | I mean, it's easy enough to add an unofficial repo that has these programs |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | But still. Weird. |
| 05:26 | <@McMartin> | mplayer can be gotten without livna, but the useful codecs are all in livna. |
| 05:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | AIUI the codecs are built into mplayer? |
| 05:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. If I had to name one distro that would be all RAAAAR FREEDOM at the expense of the users, it wouldn't be SuSE~ |
| 05:27 | | * McMartin recalls a w32-codecs package. |
| 05:27 | | * McMartin hasn't had to deal with it |
| 05:28 | <@McMartin> | Anyway, SuSE is more likely to go the route that Concentric (Ubuntu) kind of does by default |
| 05:28 | <@McMartin> | Which is "Give us our cut of $$$ so that we can pay off the people who could sue us; we actually have deep enough pockets to worry about this" |
| 05:28 | <@McMartin> | Concentric however also gives you access to the Debian non-free archives, so you can ignore them. |
| 05:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, here we have "oss" and "non-oss" |
| 05:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | But the lack of VLC/mplayer implies that there's a third category "stuff that might get us sued in the US" which is Omitted. |
| 06:45 | <@Doctor_Nick> | fuck suse |
| 06:47 | <@Doctor_Nick> | and its canonical, not concentric |
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| 08:49 | <@McMartin> | Yay, nfrotz now properly accepts color names for -b and -f |
| 08:49 | <@McMartin> | (Or you can use Z-Colors so that old scripts still work) |
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| 14:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Doctor_Nick: is your only purpose here to hate everything? |
| 14:41 | <@Serah> | I thought that was my purpose. |
| 14:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Possibly, but you aren't obnoxiously noisy about it. |
| 14:42 | <@Serah> | Oh. |
| 14:43 | <@Serah> | I wonder if bunnies is suitable punishment. |
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| 22:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 22:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | I see what my prof did there. |
| 22:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | The specification for the program to be written for lab 2 is deliberately fucked in the head. |
| 22:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is a course on software testing; thus, she's given us instructions which are more likely to result in incorrect code so that the tests will find something. |
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| 23:05 | < Shoukanjuu> | Maybe it's a test? |
| 23:05 | < Shoukanjuu> | Better to have a program that works but doesn't do everything, than to have one that doesn't work completely and...still doesnt' do everything |
| 23:05 | < Shoukanjuu> | Sounds like something I'd do >_> Surreptitious tests like that |
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| 23:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | Shoukanjuu: well, the explicit purpose of this exercise is to write a program, then hand it over to another team for testing |
| 23:08 | < Shoukanjuu> | I see >_> |
| 23:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | But WHAT are they testing FOR? |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's more interesting if the program is flawed, and this also makes testing it trickier - "strip", for example, doesn't only strip non-alphabetic characters from a string, but also lowercases the rest and stores the result in a new string. |
| 23:09 | < Shoukanjuu> | I see >_> |
| 23:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | Correctness, robustness...the usual |
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| --- Log closed Tue Sep 23 00:00:51 2008 |