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| 00:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: by "panels" I mean "the things on the side of the screen that contain, among other things, the taskbar" |
| 00:21 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm trying to get the XFCE launcher thingy and the XFCE taskbar thingy on the same edge |
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| 02:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon! |
| 02:45 | <@Chalcedon> | TF |
| 02:45 | <@Chalcedon> | how're you? |
| 02:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mildly diseased, actually, but overall doing pretty well |
| 02:46 | <@Chalcedon> | :( |
| 02:46 | <@Chalcedon> | I'm glad to hear the latter though. |
| 02:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | I'm over the worst of it, which is good, because classes started last week |
| 02:46 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 02:47 | <@Chalcedon> | got an interesting year ahead of you I hope? |
| 02:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | This semester: independent research project, topics in AI, human-computer interaction, and software testing and validation. |
| 02:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | How's things at your end? |
| 02:48 | <@Chalcedon> | got a topic in mind for the project? |
| 02:48 | <@Chalcedon> | looking up. |
| 02:49 | <@Chalcedon> | I'm thinking of reenrolling over summer or First semester next year. |
| 02:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, it has to be an intersection between my major (CIS) and my A of A (digital engineering) |
| 02:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have a few nebulous ideas, but nothing concrete yet |
| 02:49 | <@Chalcedon> | I know that feeling |
| 02:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fortunately, the abstract isn't due until the end of the month, and the paper itself until December. |
| 02:50 | <@Chalcedon> | My supervisor's advised me to look into finishing my Grad Dip before applying to start a PhD |
| 02:50 | <@Chalcedon> | And theres papers in the works to look after as well. |
| 02:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | Nod |
| 02:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | It does sound wise to finish one degree before starting a second :) |
| 02:52 | | * Chalcedon shrugs |
| 02:53 | <@Chalcedon> | its not a full degree, but I can see a great deal of wisdom in it. |
| 02:53 | <@Chalcedon> | and it gives me some more time to recover and get back into the swing of study before launching into 3 years of research |
| 02:54 | | * ToxicFrog nods and plies you with feta |
| 02:56 | | * Chalcedon nrom, applies cookies |
| 03:00 | | * ToxicFrog nibbles |
| 03:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | Hrm, now all I should have to do is hard reset. I DO need a new router, though, seeing as how I had to put it back together, and that NEVER turns out right. :/ |
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| 15:06 | < Bobsentme> | Random question for the room: How important is knowing how to translate binary, to Octal, to Hex, and back? |
| 15:10 | < Consul> | Wow, I wish I had known about the Hardy backports repository some time ago... |
| 15:13 | <@TheWatcher> | Bobsentme: somewhere between "very" and "vital", I'd say |
| 15:13 | <@TheWatcher> | (especially as it isn't hard to do) |
| 15:13 | <@gnolam> | Depends on what you're doing. |
| 15:13 | | * Bobsentme had a test on it. |
| 15:14 | <@TheWatcher> | gnolam: sure. But as a general ability for a coder... |
| 15:14 | < Bobsentme> | While I understand Base 2, 8 and 16 systems...I don't think I did so well on the test. |
| 15:15 | < Bobsentme> | Oddly, I know I did better on the Hex than Octal. |
| 15:15 | | * gnolam reads the question a bit more carefully. |
| 15:15 | <@gnolam> | Somehow I added "quickly, in your head" to my mental model of the question. |
| 15:16 | <@gnolam> | So yeah, I'd consider knowing how to do hex<->bin conversions to be quite important. |
| 15:16 | < Bobsentme> | Mind if I ask why? |
| 15:16 | <@gnolam> | Doing it quickly, on the fly - quite helpful, but not actually vital. |
| 15:17 | <@gnolam> | Bobsentme: because you do run into it. A lot. |
| 15:17 | < Bobsentme> | Ah |
| 15:18 | <@gnolam> | At least if you're doing low-level stuff. |
| 15:18 | <@gnolam> | (I.e. the fun stuff :)) |
| 15:18 | <@gnolam> | Bitfields. Addresses. Memory contents. |
| 15:19 | < Bobsentme> | I thought manipulating memory with such specifics would cause problems. |
| 15:20 | <@TheWatcher> | Only if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 15:20 | < Bobsentme> | Ah. |
| 15:20 | <@ToxicFrog> | Again, depends on what you're doing. Unpacking serialized data? Writing a device driver or an allocator? V. important. |
| 15:21 | < Bobsentme> | That makes sense. |
| 15:25 | <@gnolam> | Which reminds me to go relieve a friend of some AVRs. |
| 15:25 | <@Reiver> | Say, TF, did you beat aquaria? |
| 15:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, quite some time ago |
| 15:27 | <@Reiver> | ah. |
| 15:27 | | * Reiver is stuck. Literally. ;_; |
| 15:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | NEED SEQUEL NAO |
| 15:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oh |
| 15:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | Where? |
| 15:28 | <@Reiver> | #aquaria |
| 15:28 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hang on, need to shed a channel.. |
| 15:28 | <@Reiver> | oh, nm |
| 15:29 | < Bobsentme> | heh |
| 17:30 | <@TheWatcher> | Recommendation for free, decent, non-sucky Windows text editor that isn't emacs? |
| 17:36 | < Bobsentme> | Notepad? |
| 17:37 | | * TheWatcher directs bob to the "non-sucky" part of his previous sentence. |
| 17:39 | < Bobsentme> | I wanna say UltraEdit, or HyperPad...can't remember the name of it, but it's basically a suped up version of notepad. That's all I can contribute, though. |
| 17:41 | < Consul> | Notepad++ |
| 17:42 | < Consul> | Ack! I need voice again. Sorry. |
| 17:42 | | mode/#code [+v Consul] by TheWatcher |
| 17:42 | <+Consul> | Thanks |
| 17:42 | <+Consul> | http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm |
| 17:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Danke |
| 17:43 | <+Consul> | Best straight up editor I've used on Windows. |
| 17:43 | <+Consul> | Don't know how it compares to those two you mentioned, though. |
| 17:44 | < Bobsentme> | That's the one. |
| 17:44 | | * Bobsentme gives Consul some internets. |
| 17:45 | <+Consul> | Hehe |
| 17:45 | | * Consul is a 99.9% Linux user. |
| 17:45 | <+Consul> | But when I have to code on Windows, it's with Notepad++. |
| 17:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | I use NEdit, but the overhead for it is kind of hefty. |
| 17:58 | | * gnolam uses SciTE. |
| 17:59 | <@gnolam> | It takes a bit of config tweaking though. But it's a darned nice and lightweight editor. |
| 18:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | I hate Scite. |
| 18:07 | <@gnolam> | Oh? Why? |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: Hey, I'm using a nonstandard language extension/macro/language you don't support out of the box/etc, can I have some syntax hilighting? |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | SCITE: Sure! Just write a lexer for it in C++ and then recompile the entire editor. |
| 18:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: Fuck this noise. |
| 18:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Scite has some really nice features, but as soon as you want to extend it in any way the wheels come off. |
| 18:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | And considering how often I work with DSLs, custom variants of Lua, and other weird things it doesn't know about initially... |
| 18:17 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is especially vexing because this is a solved problem, it's been a solved problem for a long time, and nedit got it right many years ago. But somehow the scintilla team can't. |
| 18:18 | <@McMartin> | Clearly the solution is to write a "use a Lua script (provided) to lex for you" extension once. |
| 18:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | I did in fact try that. |
| 18:18 | <@ToxicFrog> | However, scintilla's lua support does not give you nearly that degree of control. |
| 18:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | So you end up having to write a lexer module anyways, which reads the regexes or whatever from an external file. |
| 18:19 | <@ToxicFrog> | At which point I decided that was too much like work. |
| 18:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | (the issue is that from lua, it only permits you to decorate text - you can give it various styles of underline, but cannot control bold, italics, font, color, or anything else useful) |
| 18:37 | | * jerith uses emacs or gvim on Windows, just like he does on every other OS he uses. |
| 18:39 | <@McMartin> | TF: Yeah, your "too much like work" was in fact what I intended to suggest. |
| 18:46 | <@jerith> | Why not improve the lua bindings? |
| 18:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Also too much like work. I mean, I could do that, or I could just go back to nedit. |
| 18:58 | <@jerith> | But you'd be performing a service for humantiy.~ |
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| 23:03 | <@MyCatVerbs> | jerith: wait, wait, wait, just HOL' UP one cotton' pickin' minute there. |
| 23:03 | <@MyCatVerbs> | jerith: you use gvim *or* emacs? |
| 23:03 | <@MyCatVerbs> | As in, either? Interchangably? |
| 23:11 | <@TheWatcher> | It's a terrifying idea, isn't it? |
| 23:11 | <@Serah> | Nope. |
| 23:12 | <@Serah> | I find not much scares me these days. |
| 23:12 | <@Serah> | Except bunnies. |
| 23:12 | <@MyCatVerbs> | SLightly. I think I could probably learn to use emacs inside of a couple days, since I already use the more basic emacs editing macros on a day-to-day basis because they're what's built into bash and libreadline and libeditline and everything luser-friendly which mimics any of the above. |
| 23:13 | <@MyCatVerbs> | But I still wouldn't want to give up all the muscle memory I've built up hacking in vim instead. :/ |
| 23:13 | <@gnolam> | Serah: so you're a demon then? |
| 23:13 | <@Serah> | No, but the reference was excellently spotted. |
| 23:14 | <@Serah> | Although I do and have always found Bunnies scary. |
| 23:14 | <@Serah> | I think it started with MP&TSfTHG when I was 4. |
| 23:16 | <@gnolam> | I'm certain the Killer Rabbit from that movie is based on a real bunny. To be specific, my cousin's. |
| 23:16 | <@gnolam> | That thing went straight for the throat. |
| 23:16 | <@gnolam> | It _attacked_ people. |
| 23:18 | <@Serah> | My mother had a blue rabbit, it did too. |
| 23:18 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 23:21 | <@MyCatVerbs> | D'awwwww. |
| 23:21 | <@MyCatVerbs> | What excellent bunnies. ^^ |
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| 23:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Rabbits are my eternal nemeses. |
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| 23:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | And this neighborhood is infested with them. |
| 23:31 | <@Serah> | Get a cat. |
| 23:31 | <@Serah> | A big one. |
| 23:31 | <@Serah> | Tiger, or better yet Liger. |
| 23:31 | <@Serah> | No more rabbits. |
| 23:31 | < AbuDhabi> | Get a rabbit-eatinf weasel. |
| 23:31 | < AbuDhabi> | *eating |
| 23:31 | <@Serah> | I think weasel is classified as pest. |
| 23:31 | <@Serah> | Tigers aren't. |
| 23:32 | <@Serah> | Less chance of losing them to pest-control. |
| 23:32 | <@Serah> | And if a city official tells you you can't have it, show him the tiger ^_^ |
| 23:32 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Ferrets! |
| 23:32 | <@Serah> | If you have a liger you can get a saddle and ride it to work. |
| 23:33 | <+Consul> | Is that what He-Man road? |
| 23:33 | <+Consul> | err rode? |
| 23:33 | <@MyCatVerbs> | You need a ferret or two, a big ol' gang of angry people, some dogs, lots of nests. Block up all the exits to a rabbit warren with nets. Put people and dogs outside the holes. Leave one last hole unblocked. Throw one or more ferrets in and wait. |
| 23:33 | <@MyCatVerbs> | universe.rabbitwarren_count -= 1; |
| 23:33 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Consul: hehe, Freudian typo. |
| 23:34 | <+Consul> | I'm sure, somewhere, there is a He-Man Road. |
| 23:34 | <+Consul> | It curves off of Skeletor Avenue. |
| 23:36 | <+Consul> | Okay, no more "cartoons which were little more than ads to sell toys" jokes for me tonight. |
| 23:39 | | * Serah PatPats Consul. |
| 23:39 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Consul: it's not that I dislike them. I just don't get them. |
| 23:39 | <+Consul> | I never had any of the toys, and interestingly enough, I'm okay with that now. :-) |
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| 23:40 | <+Consul> | In fact, even at 13-14, I understood the cartoons were just 22 minute ads to sell the toys. :-) |
| 23:40 | <+Consul> | Well, 12, actually, when the show was last on. |
| 23:41 | <+Consul> | Thereabouts. |
| 23:41 | | * Consul dares you to guess his age. |
| 23:43 | < Doctor_Nick> | consul isa baby |
| 23:43 | < Doctor_Nick> | baby baby |
| 23:43 | <@Serah> | I am too. |
| 23:43 | <@Serah> | I didn't even watch He-Man. |
| 23:43 | <@Serah> | I got plenty of legos though. |
| 23:44 | < Doctor_Nick> | babehs |
| 23:44 | <+Consul> | Heh |
| 23:44 | | * Consul is 32. |
| 23:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mmmm, legy |
| 23:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | lego, even |
| 23:44 | <+Consul> | I keep forgetting, there was a newer He-Man series after the one I'm thinking of. |
| 23:45 | <@Serah> | Oh, then if Consul is a baby, I'm an infant. |
| 23:45 | <@Serah> | Or perhaps, more likely, not even born yet. |
| 23:45 | <@Serah> | ... with sprinkles! |
| 23:45 | < Doctor_Nick> | babies |
| 23:45 | <+Consul> | I sometimes act like one. |
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| 23:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...Consul is older than I am? |
| 23:47 | <@Serah> | Yup. |
| 23:47 | <+Consul> | I'm a non-traditional student. |
| 23:49 | <+Consul> | Which is to say, old. |
| 23:49 | <+Consul> | All of my classmates, with a few exceptions, are 18-19. |
| 23:49 | <+Consul> | And funniest of all... |
| 23:50 | <@Serah> | Pancakes? |
| 23:50 | <+Consul> | I'm 330 or so pounds, in my thirties, typical fat American, and the one person in class I get along with swimmingly is an 18-year-old stick-thin fashion-conscious female. |
| 23:50 | <+Consul> | Obviously not too fashion-conscious, otherwise she'd have nothing to do with me. |
| 23:51 | <@Serah> | Oh she would. |
| 23:51 | <@Serah> | I am working on a theorem of how all hot girls must have an ugly girlfriend. |
| 23:51 | <@Serah> | Sorry to say, but it still fits. |
| 23:51 | <+Consul> | I'm not ugly, just fat. :-P |
| 23:51 | <+Consul> | Which some people seem to think is the same thing. |
| 23:51 | <@Serah> | Although the diagrams of how to date to get the hot girl will get much more interesting from a heterosexual point of view. |
| 23:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...Consul is female? |
| 23:52 | <+Consul> | Nope, male. |
| 23:52 | <+Consul> | I think Serah meant "ugly boyfriend". |
| 23:52 | <@Serah> | Nono, I didn't. |
| 23:52 | <@Serah> | And I know Consul is male, he just said so. |
| 23:52 | <+Consul> | Oh, I must be misunderstanding something you were saying, then. |
| 23:52 | <@Serah> | But he's still the ugly girlfriend. |
| 23:52 | <@Serah> | Only slightly. |
| 23:52 | <+Consul> | Ha! |
| 23:53 | <+Consul> | Okay, I follow you now. |
| 23:53 | <+Consul> | As for any romantic involvement, I don't find myself attracted to stick-thin women. I prefer some meat on the bones. |
| 23:53 | <+Consul> | This girl seriously needs a sandwich. |
| 23:54 | <+Consul> | But she's pretty smart, talented at math, and hates drinking and partying. |
| 23:54 | <+Consul> | So, again, not that fashion-conscious. |
| 23:56 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Consul: out of curiosity, why'd you go back into education? |
| 23:56 | <+Consul> | I'm tired of being an IT slave. |
| 23:56 | <+Consul> | Doing more work for less pay because my job can be outsourced to a vole. |
| 23:56 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Good reason. Not the one I was expecting. ^^ |
| 23:57 | <+Consul> | And I just realized what I just said can be interpreted as an incredibly racist remark against certain other countries, which was not my intention. |
| 23:57 | <+Consul> | IT is little more than button-pushing anymore. |
| 23:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...that, I think, depends heavily on where and what kind of IT. |
| 23:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's certainly not the case at BCSI, if we're talking about the same thing. |
| 23:59 | <+Consul> | I'm talking about administration and web stuff, keeping servers alive, crap like that. |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah. |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | IT are the people who keep all the systems working and capable. |
| 23:59 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Consul: no, I didn't read it as such. |
| 23:59 | <+Consul> | The blue-collar IT work. |
| 23:59 | <+Consul> | Which once paid fairly well. |
| 23:59 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Consul: a lot of people really *would* outsource to voles, if only they could find keyboards small enough for their little paws. :) |
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