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| 00:21 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, so, writing C that pretends it's python is harder than it looks. |
| 00:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have heard unfortunate things about the Python<->C interface. |
| 00:55 | <@Vornicus> | It's not pretty. |
| 00:56 | <@Vornicus> | Some bits aren't so bad; the thing going from a set of arguments to a pile of actual variables is okay. |
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| 01:49 | <@Vornicus> | ...it /would/ help if I could, you know, build python. Gotta upgrade the toolchain. |
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| --- Log opened Wed Jul 09 06:29:34 2008 |
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| 08:25 | <@McMartin[SanDiego]> | 00:12 <@Randolph> still crunching my spreadsheet |
| 08:25 | <@McMartin[SanDiego]> | 00:23 <@McM[SanDiego]> OM NOM NOM |
| 08:25 | <@McMartin[SanDiego]> | 00:24 <@Randolph> =SUM(NOM,NOM,NOM) imo~ |
| 08:25 | <@McMartin[SanDiego]> | 00:24 <@Randolph> (invalid data type error) |
| 08:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | XD |
| 08:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | There is much success. |
| 08:27 | <@McMartin[SanDiego]> | Spah crunchin' mah spreadsheet |
| 08:47 | | * Shoukanjuu picks up the white courtesy phone. |
| 08:53 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | You're a snifit? |
| 08:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | I am, now,. |
| 08:58 | < Shoukanjuu> | >_> |
| 08:58 | | * Shoukanjuu fires a projectile at Vorn. |
| 08:58 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | meep |
| 08:58 | | * Vornicus-Latens jumps on Shou, picks him up, throws him at TF. |
| 08:58 | < Shoukanjuu> | fu- *is thrown at TF* |
| 09:00 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | (*bwuuuump*) |
| 09:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | XD |
| 09:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | Bed tiem is now. |
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| 14:19 | | * gnolam curses storage sheds for 2 generations. |
| 15:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 15:33 | <@gnolam> | Had to drag out some old textbooks. |
| 15:34 | <@gnolam> | And the bloody (quite literally now) shed is designed to draw blood at every opportunity. |
| 15:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's an HPL story in here somewhere. |
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| 16:04 | | * gnolam tries to remember how to check if an angle in a polygon outline is reflex or convex. |
| 16:04 | <@gnolam> | Wait... I should just be able to check the cross product. |
| 16:04 | <@gnolam> | Never mind. |
| 16:31 | <@gnolam> | Aaand... ready for testing. |
| 16:34 | <@gnolam> | And of course the whole thing crashes. The bad thing is that it's a sunny day today, so I can't tell if it's due to my code or my computer overheating... |
| 17:06 | | * ToxicFrog baps gcc's "suggest parens around assignment used as truth value" warning |
| 17:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | I may not have thought this through. |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | one character per 4k, 9600 baud... |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's ~5MB/s |
| 17:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | At best |
| 17:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | And this system has...3.6GB of memory. |
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| 18:18 | <@jerith> | So, I need some spreadsheet-fu (for someone else). Is Vorn around, perhaps? |
| 18:18 | <@jerith> | She apparently needs to calculate area under a curve. |
| 18:19 | <@jerith> | Since I have not spreadshot in many years, I am at a loss. I would, however, like to retain my aura of infallability. :-) |
| 18:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Wait, spreadsheets? |
| 18:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | Isn't that the job of integral calculus" |
| 18:23 | <@ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 18:23 | <@jerith> | Quite. |
| 18:24 | <@jerith> | I don't know details. Her mother phoned me to check that I'm not busy first. |
| 18:24 | <@jerith> | I await the real call for help. |
| 18:27 | <@gnolam> | Meh. Why do laptops have to be so goddamned expensive? :P |
| 18:27 | <@ToxicFrog> | I know absolutely nothing about how to calculate area under a curve using a spreadsheet, although I do know how to do it with calculus and fake it with code. |
| 18:28 | <@jerith> | Knowing absolutely nothing about the particular problem, I'd assume that there are a number of data points approximating the curve. |
| 18:29 | <@jerith> | In which case it's as simple as adding them all up. |
| 18:29 | <@gnolam> | Easily done with a spreadsheet then. |
| 18:38 | | * gnolam also laments the lack of decent, affordable TFTs. |
| 18:38 | <@gnolam> | "Decent" and "affordable" seem to be mutually exclusive there. :P |
| 18:39 | <@jerith> | Apparently she's leaving it for some other time. |
| 18:39 | | * jerith shrugs. |
| 18:40 | <@gnolam> | Bah. |
| 18:40 | | * gnolam gives up his hardware hunt. Again. |
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| 19:01 | <@ToxicFrog> | What do you mean by "affordable" here? |
| 19:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was able to get a 22" widescreen for around $200, which is also the current price of higher-quality 20" widescreens (with hardware pillarboxing support, etc). |
| 19:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | And these are feature-poor, but high-contrast fast-response gaming quality panels. |
| 19:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | \o/ |
| 19:36 | <@gnolam> | I mean "non-crap color reproduction and no ghosting" for a decent price. |
| 19:36 | <@gnolam> | And no less surface area than I already have (21" behemoth of a CRT). |
| 19:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | That's a 4:3? |
| 19:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | And that wasn't the question I asked, anyways |
| 19:38 | <@gnolam> | Yes. |
| 19:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, it's hard to help since you won't say what price range you're looking for. |
| 19:42 | <@gnolam> | And say... $500 for my absolute spending maximum here. |
| 19:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 19:42 | | * gnolam had to answer the telephone. |
| 19:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, in that case, as I said, I was able to get a gaming quality 22" for just over $200 |
| 19:42 | <@gnolam> | And those do not fit the "non-crap color reproduction" requirement. |
| 19:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, what do you mean by non-crap? |
| 19:43 | <@gnolam> | In general, the absolute cheapest CRT you can get beats the pants off any TN panel. |
| 19:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because these have pretty damn good color reproduction. |
| 19:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Probably not good enough for professional photo editing, but good luck finding that at an affordable price point. |
| 19:44 | <@gnolam> | I don't need professional photo editing. But no TN TFT I've ever seen has been good enough even for amateur photo editing. :P |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | How recently have you looked, and at what brands? |
| 19:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | (also: TN?) |
| 19:45 | <@gnolam> | And that leaves the exotics (MVA/PVA/etc), which, besides any price issues, are pretty much disqualified from the start due to ghosting. |
| 19:46 | <@gnolam> | How recently? Last week. |
| 19:46 | <@gnolam> | What brands? All I could find. |
| 19:47 | <@gnolam> | TN: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#TN_.2B_film |
| 19:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, ok, in that case I guess you have to either (a) stick with CRTs, (b) be willing to pay a lot more money or (c) wait. Personally, I find that my Samsung LCD looks fine, if anything better than the high-end Viewsonic CRT it replaced. But if you want 8bpc with perfect color reproduction - for whatever arbitrary value of "perfect" - you'll have to either wait or open the wallet. |
| 19:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | You also seem to be using a definition of "non-crap" that actually means "high end specialized" |
| 19:51 | <@gnolam> | No. I mean as in non-"God, is that what dark shades look like on this thing?", which is usually my reaction. |
| 19:53 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | I know spreadsheet-fu |
| 19:54 | <@gnolam> | You may not notice the difference. I do. |
| 20:00 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | jerith: if the data points are not evenly spread, you can use the trapezium rule for best results; if they are, you can use simpson's or a higher level rule. |
| 20:01 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapezium_rule <--- |
| 20:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | this has realyl got me using DVDs up like no tomorrow. |
| 20:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | The good thing is, I have mapped the addresses where growth data is stored in the compressed data so it is possible to edit it, instead of decompressing and editing to have no way to put it back in the iso o: |
| 20:07 | <@jerith> | Thanks, Vorn. |
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| 20:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Shoukanjuu: isn't this what DVD+RWs are for? |
| 20:41 | < Shoukanjuu> | They're more expensive in the long run. Mostly because I could find none of them. |
| 20:41 | < Shoukanjuu> | Staples, best buy, circuit city |
| 20:41 | < Shoukanjuu> | Not one pack of DVD-RWs |
| 20:41 | < Shoukanjuu> | Walmart had none :/ |
| 20:42 | < Shoukanjuu> | Gas costs too damned much, so I bought a spindle of 50 DVD-R and was done wit it |
| 20:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | o.O |
| 20:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | I know Staples usually carries them. |
| 20:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | Oh, they carry them. |
| 20:53 | < Shoukanjuu> | They just weren't in stock that day. |
| 20:53 | < Shoukanjuu> | DVD-Rs are relatively inexpensive |
| 21:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | But with the gas prices, driving all over made it not worth it anymore to get RWs, because...well, expensive :/ |
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