| --- Log opened Wed Jun 04 00:00:42 2008 |
| 00:20 | < Vornotron> | WHy not unleash your Vast Army Of Robots? |
| 00:20 | < Vornotron> | This is the very reason I showed you struct. |
| 00:21 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I don't have robots |
| 00:21 | <@Shoukanjuu> | They are not my style |
| 00:21 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Instead, have 255% growth rates |
| 00:21 | | * Vornotron beats Shoukanjuu with Python. |
| 00:21 | <@Shoukanjuu> | xx |
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| 00:31 | <@Shoukanjuu> | You will pay for this, Vornotron >:O |
| 00:31 | | * Shoukanjuu sets Vornotron to Jeigan status |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | Shou, in case you missed this point |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | Vorn is suggesting you use an Army of Robots to do the mass edits. |
| 00:32 | <@McMartin> | Instead of hand-stepping through 108 characters on your own. |
| 00:32 | <@Shoukanjuu> | That'd be fine and good...if I knew the addresses that needed editing |
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| 00:34 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Or even if the data didn't have seemingly random values in the middle of what I'm trying to find and correct |
| 00:35 | <@McMartin> | Whoo, struct dumps with aligned data values. |
| 00:35 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I would instead be able to do it in a matter of minutes, instead of hours |
| 00:35 | <@McMartin> | Alternately, relying on a specific allocator and saving pointers |
| 00:35 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I'm using a hex editor and and noting and editing hex values |
| 00:36 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I can only see these things in hexadecimal D: |
| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | I'm guessing what they were doing. |
| 00:36 | <@McMartin> | Pointers only make sense in hex. |
| 00:36 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Of course |
| 00:37 | <@Shoukanjuu> | It's not as simple as FE7, though |
| 00:37 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Or any of the other <9 fire emblems |
| 00:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Is this a rom hack you're working on? |
| 00:37 | <@Shoukanjuu> | It's not really a rom hack |
| 00:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | If so, have you checked out the RHDN forums and #romhacking.net on Darkmyst? |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Because they often have tasty info. |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 00:38 | <@Shoukanjuu> | The idea was to go into the data of FE10 and pick out the growths for each character therein |
| 00:38 | | Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon |
| 00:38 | <@Shoukanjuu> | This would be easy. It should be easy. |
| 00:38 | <@Shoukanjuu> | It isn't as easy as I planned it to be |
| 00:38 | <@Shoukanjuu> | The growths that are accepted as the norm are wrong in some places |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | That's roughly speaking a ROM hack, just on a modern executable |
| 00:38 | <@McMartin> | The basic concept of Binary Patch still applies. |
| 00:39 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Instead of 8bits for 8 stats, there are 10 bits for 8 stats, 2 of which have no correlation with what I'm doing |
| 00:39 | <@Shoukanjuu> | So I can't just search for a byte...the problem with searching with too little bits is that there are often multiple of the same thing, not all have anything to do with what I want |
| 00:42 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Of course, I cvould be wrong in my terminology because I'm an idiot |
| 00:44 | < Vornotron> | So your problem is you don't know how to find the things automatically? |
| 00:44 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I can find the things using a "find and replacE" |
| 00:44 | < Vornotron> | then you should be able to find them automatically. |
| 00:44 | <@Shoukanjuu> | But since there is no way to know where the random values are located |
| 00:44 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I can't search for the entire string |
| 00:44 | <@Shoukanjuu> | 28 0F 50 0E 28 23 50 14 0A 52 is a prime example |
| 00:45 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I meant bytes earlier, again, I'm an idiot |
| 00:46 | <@Shoukanjuu> | That'd be in decimal, 40 15 80 14 40 35 80 20 10 84 |
| 00:47 | < Vornotron> | okay, so? |
| 00:47 | <@Shoukanjuu> | The 14 and the 10 are what I mean. They aren't in the same place in other strings |
| 00:47 | <@Shoukanjuu> | They aren't even always 0E and 0A |
| 00:48 | < Vornotron> | I'm really not sure what you're getting at |
| 00:48 | <@Shoukanjuu> | So I search for 2 values. The way I found this one was with 28 0F... |
| 00:49 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I can't do it all automaatically because these random values are in what I'm searching for, and if I search for too few bytes, I have many entries to sift through...Too many, and I won't get anything I can use |
| 00:50 | <@Shoukanjuu> | So I'm doing it by trial and error. Also: It keeps me busy |
| 00:52 | <@Shoukanjuu> | This is further compounded by the values I am searching for not e xisting, because the "expert" who found them was DOING IT WRONG. |
| 00:52 | <@Shoukanjuu> | It led me to believe that people just played the game a few times and took averages, making them the growths and thinking that nobody would know the difference |
| 00:52 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Because it has happened before |
| 00:54 | <@Shoukanjuu> | It wouldn't be so tedious if there wasn't a need to do this with a certain amount of...attention |
| 00:54 | <@Shoukanjuu> | I've made headway, though, which is good |
| 01:04 | <@Shoukanjuu> | The main thing I was trying to do was get the addresses for the characters, to help in rom hacking...>.>; |
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| 02:50 | <@Shoukanjuu> | >.>? |
| 02:51 | < Vornotron> | >.>? |
| 02:51 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Just checking if I'm stil lalive |
| 02:52 | < Vornotron> | no. |
| 06:19 | | Derakon is now known as Derakon[AFK] |
| 06:19 | <@Shoukanjuu> | Subdomain...not working correctly...why |
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| 16:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Ok, the underlying issue is that my <Name> pattern simply doesn't work inside the larger grammar, for some reason. |
| 16:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | It never matches on stuff that it should. |
| 16:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 16:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | This may be because I wrote AtomicName as (!%reserved !%WS !%eol .+) instead of (!%reserved !%WS !%eol .)+ |
| 16:37 | <@McMartin> | That sounds ominous, yes |
| 16:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | The latter matches everything up to the next whitespace, reserved character, or end-of-line marker, which is the desired behaviour. |
| 16:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | The latter matches everything ever provided it doesn't start with one of those. |
| 16:44 | <@ToxicFrog> | Er, the former. |
| 16:45 | <@McMartin> | I kind of figured it wasn't "Anything but reserved, then anything but whitespace, then anything but EOL, then anything" |
| 16:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | The ! are actually non-consuming assertions, so it's "and", not "then" |
| 16:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | And now that this is fixed, QuotedName is working as well. Excellent. |
| 16:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Now I just need the trees for the 11 kinds of definition, each with its own distinct subgrammar. |
| 16:51 | | * ToxicFrog weeps |
| 17:01 | < NSGuest-6780> | :( |
| --- Log closed Wed Jun 04 17:11:33 2008 |
| --- Log opened Wed Jun 04 17:11:38 2008 |
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| 17:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | I have to say, PEGs are totally sweet and I should have been using them a year ago. |
| 17:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe I should do a RIT post on them. |
| 17:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or cs_lectures. |
| 17:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Actually- |
| 17:45 | | * ToxicFrog prods Vornicus-Latens |
| 17:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Has cs_lectures done anything on regexes, CFGs, formal grammars, parsing, etc? |
| 17:57 | < NSGuest-6780> | ? |
| 17:57 | < NSGuest-6780> | cs_lectures? |
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| 17:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | community.livejournal.com/cs_lectures/ |
| 17:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | run primarily by Vorn, and...not updated since 2006, looks like. |
| 17:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | when did that happen? |
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| 17:59 | < NSGuest-6809> | ga |
| 18:00 | < NSGuest-6809> | hmm |
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| 18:12 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
| 18:13 | < NSGuest-6809> | HMMM. |
| 18:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Can I create a PEG that matches bash-style here-docs? |
| 18:13 | < jerith> | PEG? |
| 18:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Parsing Expression Grammar. |
| 18:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsing_expression_grammar |
| 18:14 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's what you get when you crossbreed CFGs and regexes. |
| 18:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | (a regex or CFG that matches here-docs would also work, as either can be expressed as PEGs) |
| 18:16 | < jerith> | You can do it with multiline regexen. |
| 18:16 | < jerith> | For the simple case, at least. |
| 18:18 | < jerith> | r'<< (\S+)\n.*?\n\1\n' |
| 18:18 | < jerith> | Assuming . matches newlines as well. |
| 18:18 | < jerith> | There may also be more whitespace allowed. |
| 18:30 | <@ToxicFrog> | Assume no backrefs. |
| 18:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which are not actually part of formal regular expressions, they're just a popular and convenient extension. |
| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | woot |
| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | DefCondition |
| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | <- 'define' %WS 'condition'->"def:condition" %WS {<Name>} %eol |
| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | (!<EOF> <Condition>)* -> {} |
| 18:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | <EOF> |
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