| --- Log opened Sun May 18 00:00:38 2008 |
| 00:01 | <@AnnoDomini> | I've started writing up a script for it, when I realized that even for 2 people, the problem isn't so very trivial. |
| 00:02 | <@Vornicus> | Well, for two people it's 16 hours. For three it's... 13 hours. |
| 00:05 | <@AnnoDomini> | By what algorithm did you arrive at that? |
| 00:06 | <@Vornicus> | Well, you start with 12 hours - this gives everybody 4 hours of watch and 4 hours of sleep. |
| 00:06 | <@Vornicus> | er, 8 hours of sleep. |
| 00:07 | <@Vornicus> | Then you have to add an hour because the guy in the middle has to have a 9th hour of sleep. |
| 00:11 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Mango: yes, but add salts and it's fine. |
| 00:12 | <@AnnoDomini> | I'm still not sure where you got the 12 from, though. |
| 00:12 | <@Mango> | MCV, thanks |
| 00:12 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Mango: also, use a better hash than MD5. SHA1 or one of the really wide SHA variants like SHA-512. |
| 00:12 | <@Mango> | Righto :) |
| 00:12 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Mango: no matter how good your hash is, salting is not optional, by the way. |
| 00:12 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Salt with at least 24 bits of randomness too, please. |
| 00:14 | <@MyCatVerbs> | e.g. SHA-512 with a 32 bit salt would be total overkill, but you wouldn't regret it unless you totally blew your CPU time budget. |
| 00:14 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Also, why on Earth would you want to do this anyway? |
| 00:15 | <@Mango> | Bank requires an adjustment transaction ID for refunds |
| 00:15 | <@Mango> | I thought one way of finding it would be searching by credit card number |
| 00:16 | | * MyCatVerbs attempts to think about this. |
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| 00:17 | <@Mango> | I think what I'll do instead is just show the staff member a list of transactions and get them to pick the right one |
| 00:18 | <@Mango> | it'd be an extra couple of steps, but it'd be more secure |
| 00:18 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I -think- that precludes salting, which would be really really bad. If you can't do salting, it's a suicidally bad idea. If you can, make damn sure you actually can, but then it's not particularly evil at all. |
| 00:19 | | * Mango nods |
| 00:27 | <@gnolam> | AnnoDomini: isn't this just the Pigeonhole Principle? |
| 00:27 | <@gnolam> | Oh, he left. |
| 00:27 | <@gnolam> | Darn. |
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| 13:43 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Gah! What on Earth happened to the nighstar zoo? |
| 13:43 | <@MyCatVerbs> | It's all disappeared and been replaced with... ick, phpBB. |
| 13:44 | <@jerith> | MyCatVerbs: No, just vastly newer phpBB. |
| 13:44 | <@MyCatVerbs> | I see. All previous themes broken somehow |
| 13:51 | <@Kazriko> | yeah, nobody has the time to go in and fix that. :) |
| 13:52 | <@Kazriko> | too many custom mods in the old version, didn't translate well to the new one. |
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| 20:05 | <@gnolam> | Bah. The new Zoo doesn't support <sup></sup> or <sub></sub>. :( |
| 21:23 | <@Attilla> | :( What of our formulae and compounds? |
| 21:23 | <@Attilla> | This is discrimination against mathematicians and chemists alike. |
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| 21:40 | < Zellfaze> | anyone here do any cgi scripting? |
| 21:41 | < Zellfaze> | specifically in PERL? |
| 21:41 | <@jerith> | cgi is easy. |
| 21:41 | <@C_tiger> | I like perl but no I don't do cgi scripting... |
| 21:41 | < Zellfaze> | i keep getting error 500 |
| 21:41 | < Zellfaze> | when i try to run my script |
| 21:41 | < Zellfaze> | and i cant figure out the problem |
| 21:41 | <@jerith> | That's a server error. |
| 21:41 | <@jerith> | Is your script logging anything? |
| 21:41 | < Zellfaze> | i know that |
| 21:42 | < Zellfaze> | my script is a simple hello world script |
| 21:42 | <@jerith> | Can you pastebin it? |
| 21:42 | < Zellfaze> | i just need to learn how to get them running right |
| 21:42 | < Zellfaze> | ya |
| 21:43 | <@C_tiger> | I wonder what happens if the script throws an error. |
| 21:43 | < Zellfaze> | (04:44:15 PM) Cannot send to channel (You need voice to send urls (channel is +U)) |
| 21:44 | < Zellfaze> | pastebin |
| 21:44 | < Zellfaze> | .com |
| 21:44 | | mode/#code [+v Zellfaze] by jerith |
| 21:44 | <+Zellfaze> | http://pastebin.com/d5bdd158e |
| 21:44 | <@jerith> | Oops, forgot about that. Sorry. |
| 21:44 | <+Zellfaze> | tis ok |
| 21:45 | <+Zellfaze> | see nothing ellaborate |
| 21:45 | <@jerith> | Hmm. |
| 21:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | \r\n\r\n |
| 21:45 | <@jerith> | Perhaps you want \r\n instead of just \n? |
| 21:45 | <@jerith> | Yeah, that. :-) |
| 21:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | HTTP mandates CRLF. |
| 21:45 | <+Zellfaze> | \r whats that mean? |
| 21:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Carriage return. |
| 21:46 | <+Zellfaze> | ok |
| 21:46 | <@jerith> | It's a carriage retun. |
| 21:46 | <@jerith> | +r |
| 21:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Originally "return the print head to the start of the line" |
| 21:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | \n, linefeed, was originally "move down one line" |
| 21:46 | <+Zellfaze> | didnt help |
| 21:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | *nix uses LF for newlines; macs use CR. Windows uses CRLF, as does HTTP. |
| 21:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | In that case, all I can suggest is checking your server logs. |
| 21:47 | <+Zellfaze> | I tried |
| 21:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Increasing the logging level if necessary. |
| 21:47 | <+Zellfaze> | the server uses direct admin, and direct admin must not be pointing to the logs correctly |
| 21:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah, you don't have shell on the server? |
| 21:48 | <+Zellfaze> | not that i know of |
| 21:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | You're sure perl is in /usr/local/bin? |
| 21:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | You're sure the file ix +x? |
| 21:49 | <+Zellfaze> | the file is 0755 |
| 21:49 | <+Zellfaze> | and i am not sure of the location of perl |
| 21:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | /usr/bin is much more common |
| 21:49 | <@jerith> | Try /usr/bin/env perl |
| 21:49 | <+Zellfaze> | da says that several perl modules are installed, but no other users have used perl here |
| 21:49 | <@C_tiger> | is there perl installed at all? |
| 21:49 | <+Zellfaze> | ok |
| 21:49 | <@jerith> | That should find it if it's in PATH. |
| 21:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | jerith: assuming env is in /usr/bin |
| 21:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | It's in /bin on my machine |
| 21:50 | <+Zellfaze> | its /usr/bin/ on mine |
| 21:50 | <@jerith> | ToxicFrog: What OS? |
| 21:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Fedora |
| 21:50 | <+Zellfaze> | xubuntu |
| 21:50 | <@jerith> | It's in /bin and /usr/bin on my Fedora. |
| 21:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | (it's symlinked from /usr/bin, though, so either will work on my system) |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Zellfaze: yeah, but what's the server running? |
| 21:51 | <+Zellfaze> | no idea |
| 21:51 | <+Zellfaze> | lemme ask |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | But yeah, jerith's suggestion is good. See if that work. |
| 21:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | *works. |
| 21:51 | <+Zellfaze> | it doesnt |
| 21:52 | <+Zellfaze> | (04:52:39 PM) Rvec: linux and freebsd |
| 21:52 | <+Zellfaze> | (04:52:44 PM) Vrythramax: debian linux I think |
| 21:52 | <+Zellfaze> | (04:53:01 PM) Vrythramax: I could be wrong |
| 21:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | Well, without the logs, there's no telling what the error is |
| 21:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | And without that, troubleshooting is kind of hard |
| 21:53 | <+Zellfaze> | i think i could have figured it out with logs to help |
| 21:53 | <+Zellfaze> | perhaps if i wait until tommorow so i have access to the log backup, then try again |
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