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| 00:47 | | * Vornicus fiddles with object models for something, gets all of nowhere. jeeeezus some things are complicated. |
| 00:47 | < Shoukanjuu> | What exactly is a binary? |
| 00:48 | < Vornicus> | "a binary" usually means "an application that's been compiled" |
| 00:48 | < Vornicus> | an .exe, in Windows-speak. |
| 00:49 | < Shoukanjuu> | And how would I go about compiling source for Mac? O: |
| 00:49 | < Vornicus> | use gcc/make/etc |
| 00:50 | < Shoukanjuu> | I need to get back to learning python ._. |
| 00:50 | < Vornicus> | Unless you're working in C/C++ though you generally don't need to compile. |
| 00:50 | < Vornicus> | though I'm not entirely sure how to package and release Python stuff for Mac. |
| 00:51 | < Shoukanjuu> | I know it starts with #include <stdio.h> |
| 00:51 | < Shoukanjuu> | So I'm pretty sure it's a cpp |
| 00:51 | < Vornicus> | C or CPP |
| 00:52 | < Vornicus> | But if you're getting sources, the provider should have given install instructins. |
| 00:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | Nah, I'm just messing around with this little program that my friend designed |
| 00:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | There are already binaries for 98, XP, and vista |
| 00:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | As well as the Wii |
| 00:52 | < Shoukanjuu> | And sicne I'm the only mac user on this entire forum |
| 00:53 | < Shoukanjuu> | I decided to be useful for nothing :D |
| 00:53 | < Vornicus> | Have you installed the dev pack? |
| 00:53 | < Shoukanjuu> | I decided to get Xcode |
| 00:53 | < Vornicus> | Right, is it installed and crap? |
| 00:54 | < Shoukanjuu> | Because it was there, and because I couldn't find my leopard discs |
| 00:54 | < Shoukanjuu> | I installed it, yeah, but left some of the packs that it came with out |
| 00:55 | < Shoukanjuu> | Decause I doubt bluetoothSDK would help with what I was messing with >.> Optional stuff, really |
| 00:55 | < Vornicus> | heh |
| 00:55 | < Vornicus> | okay. So what files do you have? |
| 00:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | As of right now, I'm trying to grab the source, but the guy just took it down while I was talkign to you D: |
| 00:56 | < Vornicus> | Heh. |
| 00:57 | < Vornicus> | If you just have a single source file, you go gcc -o my_app my_app.c |
| 00:57 | < Vornicus> | And, well, pray. |
| 00:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | Supposed to be cute |
| 00:57 | < Vornicus> | whut? |
| 00:58 | < Shoukanjuu> | Where exactly do I do that at? :O |
| 00:59 | < Vornicus> | in the terminal. |
| 00:59 | < Vornicus> | (assuming you've placed the source file at my_app.c) |
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| 00:59 | < Vornicus> | then mod my_app +x, and try running it. |
| 01:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | I did not place the source file anywhere O: |
| 01:01 | < Shoukanjuu> | Remember, I'm not versed in this at all >.> |
| 01:02 | < Shoukanjuu> | I think I got it. Build succeeded >.> |
| 01:02 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
| 01:03 | < Shoukanjuu> | I believe I built it for windows. >.> |
| 01:04 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ah, this is why |
| 01:07 | < Vornicus> | note that gcc doesn't really know anything. |
| 01:07 | < Shoukanjuu> | Now that I have the source in an actual FILE |
| 01:07 | < Vornicus> | Heh |
| 01:08 | < Shoukanjuu> | my_app.cpp on my desktop |
| 01:19 | <@McMartin> | XCode has a number of fairly thorough tutorials. |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | But I don't have time to give basic pointers with it right now, because of deadlines |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | Ask me next week |
| 01:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | I figured out a number of things on my own |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | I've used XCode to develop a number of applications. |
| 01:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | Like where the sources are, and the like, enough to actually build something |
| 01:20 | <@McMartin> | But developer.apple.com is your tiny god when it comes to this. |
| 01:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | from source, at least |
| 01:22 | <@McMartin> | ObjCTutorial.pdf is really the "X-Code Tutorial" |
| 01:23 | < Shoukanjuu> | hehe |
| 01:23 | | * Vornicus could not for the life of him figure out objC. |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | The Java14Development.pdf file is also handy if you plan on packaging Java apps as if they were normal ones on Mac. |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | (Like Blorple) |
| 01:23 | <@McMartin> | Vornicus: It's like Smalltalk, but crippled~ |
| 01:24 | | * Vornicus also can't figure out Smalltalk, so, okay. |
| 01:24 | <@McMartin> | Which is odd, because Python's OO model is in some sense derived from it. |
| 01:24 | <@McMartin> | Except that you don't get to reassign class methods at runtime in them. |
| 01:25 | <@McMartin> | The *actual* Objective-C tutorials are ObjC.pdf and OOP_ObjC.pdf. |
| 01:25 | <@McMartin> | In practice, write your app in C or C++ and only use ObjC to talk to the View. =P |
| 01:25 | <@McMartin> | Almost all the actual ObjC code will be handled by the Controller code, which is autogenerated by X-Code's GUI Builder. |
| 01:26 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ah. See, that'd help if I knew C or C++. |
| 01:26 | <@McMartin> | OK, You can't learn ObjC without learning C first. |
| 01:26 | <@McMartin> | It's even more C-with-stuff-bolted-on than C++ is. |
| 01:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | XD |
| 01:27 | <@McMartin> | If you're just building other people's frameworks and stuff, you can probably do OK just with the generic Cocoa Application Tutorial -- with an eye towards the parts where you pick targets and stuff. |
| 01:27 | < Shoukanjuu> | Okay |
| 01:28 | | * McMartin had to build Universal Frameworks for the Vorbis libs as part of UQM. |
| 01:30 | < Vornicus> | ObjC feels like C-with-stuff-bolted-on, much more so than C++. |
| 01:31 | <@McMartin> | This was less true before the Standard Template Library. |
| 01:32 | < Vornicus> | heh |
| 01:32 | <@McMartin> | C++ now feels like Java without the design coherence or safety features. |
| 01:34 | | * Vornicus still wants operator overloads. |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | That's part of its sacrifice of design coherence~ |
| 01:34 | <@McMartin> | istream::operator<<(), etc. |
| 01:34 | < Vornicus> | Well, yes. |
| 01:35 | < Vornicus> | But I would /really/ like Python-style overloads, which Do It (Approximately) Right. |
| 01:36 | <@McMartin> | Fair enough. |
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| 05:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | Ikaruga: The first boss's first form has bullets that move faster than the DC and GC versions |
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| 06:55 | < JeffL> | Shoukann. Are you here? |
| 06:56 | < Shoukanjuu> | I am always here |
| 06:57 | < JeffL> | What have you been learning? |
| 06:57 | < Shoukanjuu> | Nothing, as of late |
| 06:58 | < Shoukanjuu> | I've been rather swamped in working, and when I'm not working, I'm trying to master Halo 3 or Ikaruga, or maybe sleeping |
| 06:59 | < Shoukanjuu> | Usually whne I'm done with work, Vorn is either busy or asleep, or I am too tired to do much more than mess around or read |
| 06:59 | < Shoukanjuu> | Either that, or I'm lax in doing anything because of my mood, for my grandfather fancies himself a web artist, and commonly destroys the websites I had to fix by uploading another of his frankenstein creations |
| 07:00 | < JeffL> | Ah. Have you learned about classes and objects yet? |
| 07:00 | < Shoukanjuu> | I don't believe so./ |
| 07:10 | | * Vornicus should probably give an assignment. |
| 07:11 | | * Vornicus should probably also teach about classes, because they're Important. |
| 07:13 | < JeffL> | Yes, please do. |
| 07:13 | < JeffL> | I have an idea for a Comprehensive Test when you've done that. (He has learned file IO, right?) |
| 07:14 | < Vornicus> | He's learned file IO. |
| 07:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | That was a while ago...*digs through his logs* |
| 07:15 | | * McMartin has his old Lab Project, too. |
| 07:15 | < JeffL> | Idea- write an elevator manager program. The program takes a number of elevator cars and a file that has data in it corresponding to what buttons are pressed when. |
| 07:15 | < Vornicus> | Shoukanjuu: you should have 1. a cheat sheet, and 2. a reasonable grasp of how to find shit in the libraryreference. |
| 07:15 | <@McMartin> | And it's still online! |
| 07:15 | <@McMartin> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/qixstart/ |
| 07:15 | < Shoukanjuu> | Oh, yes, of course I do :P |
| 07:16 | | * Vornicus doesn't have a cheat sheet any more, because he's internalized it enough that he doesn't have to look anything up unless he knows where to find it. |
| 07:20 | < Shoukanjuu> | My 360 is having a conniption fit. |
| 07:21 | < Shoukanjuu> | It'll be going fine at first, then it would all of a sudden freeze, the video corrupting and the sound broken up |
| 07:21 | < Vornicus> | cute |
| 07:22 | < Shoukanjuu> | So I'm gonna take it back to the guy I bought it from, since I have a 30 day warranty with the guy, and do something about it |
| 07:22 | < Shoukanjuu> | I'm not sure if it's the disc or not, but it happens the most during Halo |
| 07:31 | <@GeekSoldier> | likely it's an overheating problem. |
| 07:31 | < Shoukanjuu> | I would think, but it's in the most ventilated place in the room |
| 07:31 | < Shoukanjuu> | there is nothing shot of the table it is on within two feet of the thing |
| 07:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | Corner of the desk |
| 07:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | Thepowerbrick doesn't even get hot before it freezes, and it only freezes when I'm in a game |
| 07:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | So I thought it was the disc at first |
| 07:32 | < Shoukanjuu> | But then it froze the same way when I was playing a different game |
| 07:33 | < Shoukanjuu> | So perhaps it's the hard drive or the 360, but not an overheating problem |
| 07:33 | <@McMartin> | At least it's not the RROD. |
| 07:34 | < Shoukanjuu> | Well, that's the thing |
| 07:34 | < Shoukanjuu> | The RRoD can be fixed quite easily if you know where to look |
| 07:34 | < Shoukanjuu> | It was a refurbished machine that HAD the RRoD |
| 07:35 | < Shoukanjuu> | So I have 90 days. If it RRoDs, I can get it fixed by the guy for free |
| 07:50 | < Shoukanjuu> | Confirmed: It's the disc |
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