code logs -> 2008 -> Thu, 21 Feb 2008< code.20080220.log - code.20080222.log >
--- Log opened Thu Feb 21 00:00:43 2008
00:03 * Chalain does the "I Can Has Job Interview" w00t.
00:04
<@Chalain>
( /me did the Epic Job Fail last Friday )
00:05 * Finerty noticed. How is it that you can do that so quickly?
00:11 * Reltzik grumps. Needs job. No work experience. Few skills. Erg.
00:12
<@AnnoDomini>
Be a teacher at Uni?
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00:15
<@Chalain>
Finerty: I'm not really sure. I call people, I talk tech at them, I get excited about the problems their company is trying to solve. Then they sort of do the rest.
00:15 * Finerty calls people and they say "who the fuck are you?"
00:16
<@Chalain>
lol
00:16 * Chalain would respond, "I'm fucking *Chalain*! Remember it, bitch."
00:17 * Chalain actually got a job once (years ago) by walking into a hotel and telling the manager, "I'm here to get hired. Who do I talk to?"
00:18
<@Chalain>
I know that a lot of folks are really, really down on Ruby right now, but I'll say this for it: it's got HELLA more active user groups and conferences than any other language I've ever seen.
00:18
<@AnnoDomini>
"Are you dense? Are you retarded? Who do you think I am? I'm the goddamned Chalain!"
00:18 * Chalain coughs politely. "THE" should be in all caps.
00:19
<@AnnoDomini>
You probably want some sections bolded, too.
00:19
<@Chalain>
Oh hell yes.
00:19 * Chalain unzips and shows you where.
00:19 * AnnoDomini laughs.
00:20
<@Chalain>
"Why's it off to one side?" "Ohh, sorry, it's in italics."
00:21
<@Chalain>
But yeah. Finerty: It's been interesting this go-round. There's like this *social* community I can call and talk to people through. It's not really even about getting a job. At first, anyway. We start talking about what they're working on, and what
00:21
<@Chalain>
I'm working on, and it just goes from there.
00:22
<@Chalain>
I nearly squeed my pants though when, during this phone call, the guy said, "Yeah, we've been writing some more-Ruby-than-Rails stuff, like custom SQL compositors and the like..."
00:23
<@Chalain>
And I got to say, "Oh really? I wrote a plugin this weekend that adds a find_by_partial class method to ActiveRecord, and it was a bear getting Ruby to take a custom function name without having to eval the entire thing as as tring...."
00:25
<@Chalain>
And then I talk about the human side of things rather than trying to dazzle them with tech. "So I got it to work with class_eval, but the entire function is defined from a single string, and I laid awake at night thinking 'man, that code works but it
00:25
<@Chalain>
sure is stinky'..." and he ended up saying, "Wow... you might be a really good fit for my team. Do you have a current resume?"
00:25
<@Chalain>
And boy, did I have a current resume.
00:26
<@Chalain>
And the rest is, as they say, hopefully about to become history. :-) I interview tomorrow at 10.
00:27 * AnnoDomini gives this monologue an 8.4.
00:27
<@Chalain>
Hmm
00:28
<@Chalain>
I was hoping for better.
00:28
<@Chalain>
I could do the boldface penis part again, if you like.
00:28
<@Finerty>
00:28 * AnnoDomini found that irresistably funny, at 0130.
00:29
<@Chalain>
Heh
00:29
<@Chalain>
sleep deprivation makes EVERYTHING funnier.
00:29
<@AnnoDomini>
Yes.
00:30
<@Chalain>
The most egregious example of that for me was a movie called Young Einstein, which {hope,merci}fully most of you have never seen.
00:30
<@AnnoDomini>
I think I did.
00:31 You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2]
00:31
<@AnnoDomini>
Was it the movie where he blew up the workshop curiously shaped like an outhouse when splitting the atom?
00:31
<@Chalain>
I went to see it the day before finals in college, e.g. after a week of all-day+all-night study sessions.
00:31
<@Chalain>
Yes.
00:31
<@Chalain>
Splitting a BEER atom.
00:32
<@AnnoDomini>
Beer has atoms. I see.
00:32
<@Chalain>
Yes.
00:32
< Reltzik>
Well, yes. Beer's comprised of atoms. Primarily hydrogen and oxygen, with some carbon and nitrogen and a few traces of other stuff.
00:32
<@McMartin>
Also, Einstein was an Australian in the Croc Hunter mold.
00:32
<@Chalain>
Oh man. I was with a group of sleep-deprived friends, and we all laughed nigh unto vomiting.
00:34
<@Chalain>
I told people for like five YEARS later that YE was the funniest movie in all of human creation. Better than Cheech & Chong, better than Three Stooges, better than--I am ashamed to admit this--Monty Python.
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00:34
<@Chalain>
Finally I rented it so I could show it to all my friends who hadn't seen it and just could not comprehend it's majesty.
00:34
<@Chalain>
I have been a broken shell of a man ever since.
00:34
<@AnnoDomini>
Last movie I saw when drunk was Euro Trip. Maaaaan. :D
00:35 * Chalain hasn't seen it.
00:35 * Chalain supposes this is a good thing?
00:35
<@AnnoDomini>
Probably. Do you like stuff like American Pie?
00:36
<@Chalain>
So, this is where this conversation may take a turn for the weirder, but... I haven't seen American Pie.
00:36
<@AnnoDomini>
No, wait... Euro Trip was earlier. Last movie I saw drunk was, wossname... Vampire Hunter D.
00:36 * Chalain watches maybe 2 movies a year.
00:36 * AnnoDomini likewise.
00:36
<@Chalain>
Last year was Ratatouille and... um... another movie, probably.
00:37 * Chalain also generally avoids Rated R movies on The Principle of the Thing.
00:37
<@AnnoDomini>
I watched Beowulf and 300 last year. Not counting rewatchings of movies, or there'd be a few more.
00:37
<@Chalain>
Mm.
00:37 * Chalain ponders.
00:37
<@AnnoDomini>
But that mostly includes Conan the Barbarian and The Gamers.
00:37
<@Chalain>
Actually, if you count rentals, I probably watch a movie a month. Last week I finally saw Transformers, for exampel.
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00:39
<@AnnoDomini>
Exam session is at an end, so I'm likely to see something new while drunk, at the subsequent party at a friend's.
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00:40
<@AnnoDomini>
I hope I don't break anything of his this time. I have destructive, if unintentional, tendencies.
00:41
<@Chalain>
Heh
00:41
<@AnnoDomini>
When I came over to study, I kinda broke a plastic chair. By SITTING ON IT.
00:41
<@gnolam>
Ah. You're one of /them/.
00:41
<@Chalain>
"...from off the balcony."
00:41
<@gnolam>
I have a friend we call "The Destroyer".
00:41
<@AnnoDomini>
Another time, I somehow lost the guy a piece of his miniature crossbow.
00:42
<@Chalain>
"How was I supposed to know it would fit down the disposal?"
00:42
<@gnolam>
He's broken sofas, chairs, lamps, an electronic passcode system... well, everything that can be broken, he has broken.
00:42
<@AnnoDomini>
I'm afraid of touching his fancy electronic equipment.
00:42
<@AnnoDomini>
gnolam: Heh.
00:43
<@gnolam>
Oh, you can touch /my/ fancy electronic equipment anytime...
00:43
<@gnolam>
Hmm.
00:43 * gnolam discovers a MATLAB<->SciLab incompatibility.
00:44
<@AnnoDomini>
More domestically, no office-model chair can withstand usage by me.
00:44
<@gnolam>
... and works around it. That didn't take long.
00:44 * AnnoDomini doesn't like SciLab much, as the bloody thing crashes too damn much.
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00:45
<@AnnoDomini>
Right now I'm using one of those cool old-school big wooden chairs. It has so far lasted half a year and is going strong, if it has developed creakiness.
00:46
<@gnolam>
Although... I know two wrongs don't make a right, but still... anything that breaks M-code must be a good thing, right? :P
00:46
<@gnolam>
AnnoDomini: what you need is a throne of skulls.
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00:47
<@AnnoDomini>
What I need is to find a free copy of Alan Dean Foster's Spoils of War.
00:47
<@AnnoDomini>
The damned book, pun not intended, doesn't seem to have been ever digitized.
01:10 * AnnoDomini gets sucked into the TVTropes vortex.
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01:11
<@McMartin>
lolpwnt
01:13
<@ToxicFrog>
AnnoDomini: Foster, Alan Dean - The Damned, book 3 - Spoils of War?
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01:19
<@AnnoDomini>
ToxicFrog: Yes.
01:19
<@ToxicFrog>
=> #bookz @ undernet
01:19 * AnnoDomini hates WinXP and its inexplicable crashes with all his little black heart.
01:19
<@AnnoDomini>
Ooh, thanks. I'll check that out.
01:22
<@ToxicFrog>
Vadi has a copy, use of the searchbot will probably yield more.
01:22 * AnnoDomini is overwhelmed with the traffic there.
01:23
<@AnnoDomini>
So far, it doesn't appear that it's there.
01:23
<@AnnoDomini>
Those are only the cover pictures.
01:24
<@ToxicFrog>
...oh, that's part of the problem: the searchbot is down
01:25
<@ToxicFrog>
So you'll only get returns from individual bots, which can be highly unreliable.
01:25
<@ToxicFrog>
Oh, damn, you're right
01:25
<@ToxicFrog>
I saw .rar and assumed it was the book, but it's only the covers.
01:28
<@AnnoDomini>
How do you use that place, anyway?
01:28
<@ToxicFrog>
Two ways.
01:28
<@ToxicFrog>
When the searchbot is up, you @search or @seek for books (IIRC; it's been a while)
01:28
<@ToxicFrog>
It will reply by offering to DCC you a list of results (which covers all bots, not just the ones currently online)
01:29
<@ToxicFrog>
When it's not, you @find, and any bots which match will PM you the matches, or an abbreviated list thereof + instructions for getting the full list.
01:30
<@ToxicFrog>
In both cases, the results of the search will actually be a command, not just the book name; you paste that into the channel and if the corresponding bot is up it'll DCC you the file, possibly after a queue delay.
01:31
<@AnnoDomini>
Ooh. This is convenient.
01:31
<@AnnoDomini>
Much faster than getting stuff from p2p networks.
01:31
<@ToxicFrog>
Indeed.
01:31
<@ToxicFrog>
It's more convenient when the searchbot is up, tho.
01:34
<@AnnoDomini>
What's the searchbot's nick, then?
01:39
<@ToxicFrog>
searchbot.
01:39
<@AnnoDomini>
Straightforward.
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23:31
< Doctor_Nick>
is there a command that lets you run a process with init as the parent?
23:31
<@McMartin>
I think you can devolve them to init, because screen does this
23:32
< Doctor_Nick>
how's that?
23:33
<@McMartin>
"There exist user-level programs that set *themselves* so that init owns them, so it must be possible"
23:33
< Doctor_Nick>
hmm
23:34
<@McMartin>
I don't know if you can force other processes to do it, though, come to think of it
23:34
<@McMartin>
Though, fork, devolve to init, exec should do it.
23:34
<@McMartin>
If all you want to do is have it survive beyond your hangup and pick it up again later, run it in screen.
23:34
< Doctor_Nick>
yeah
23:35
< Doctor_Nick>
gnu.org/software/screen/ <- this thing?
23:36
<@McMartin>
Probably, not checking the link my terminal doesn't recognize.
23:36
<@McMartin>
It should be in your package manage if it's not already installed.
23:36
< Doctor_Nick>
its installed
23:37
<@McMartin>
So, start screen, start running your process, then detach the screen with ctrl-a ctrl-d
23:37
<@McMartin>
You can then reattach it later, even from another system sshed in, with the command "screen -dR"
23:37
<@McMartin>
Er
23:37
<@McMartin>
-dr
23:38
< Doctor_Nick>
neat
23:38
< Doctor_Nick>
it works
23:38
< Doctor_Nick>
thanks
23:38 * McMartin uses irssi in a screen as his IRC client, so he can stay logged in when going to and from a coffeeshop, for instance.
23:38
<@McMartin>
Detach before I leave, reattach once I connect on the other side.
23:45
<@TheWatcher>
screen is made of shiny, seriously
23:46
< Doctor_Nick>
like earthworm jim?
23:47
<@McMartin>
That's made *by* Shiny
23:48
<@TheWatcher>
DN: and you can have multiple windows: Ctrl-A Ctrl-C to make a new window, Ctrl-A Ctrl-N or Ctrl-A Ctrl-P to move forward and back, Ctral-A Ctrl-<digit> to jump to that window..
23:49
< Doctor_Nick>
and it does logging
23:49
< Doctor_Nick>
it looks pretty nifty
--- Log closed Fri Feb 22 00:00:49 2008
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