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| 00:20 | <@C`raksh`su> | !deck |
| 00:20 | <+DiceBot> | [C`raksh`su] |
| 00:22 | <@C`raksh`su> | !wonder |
| 00:22 | <+DiceBot> | [C`raksh`su] |
| 00:23 | <@C`raksh`su> | Yeah, pretty sure it's the files. |
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| 00:31 | < C_tiger> | I suck at tech support. So I'm asking for tech support for tech support. |
| 00:33 | < C_tiger> | Ok, trying to figure out why BB's computer isn't letting him access certain sites. So far: he can't ping those sites, but he can most others (like google/cnn). His brother's computer pings everything just fine. |
| 00:33 | < C_tiger> | This is true even when we specify the ip address. |
| 00:34 | < C_tiger> | Furthermore, doing a tracert gets a good number of hops down the line before timing out. Again, not a problem on another computer on the same network. |
| 00:35 | < C_tiger> | It's like something is blocking his computer specifically and only on specific sites, but I can't figure out how that's possible given that other computers with the same ip address aren't blocked. |
| 00:37 | < C_tiger> | Or not, or he could be misreporting symptoms. |
| 00:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hurt him. |
| 00:38 | < C_tiger> | Ok, every computer on his home network has this problem. |
| 00:49 | < C_tiger> | So I don't know how to fix it properly, but I know that there's a magic word called proxy that should get him past the block. |
| 01:01 | < C_tiger> | Hmm... or not. |
| 01:01 | < C_tiger> | It's like a whole swath of the interweb is down for him. |
| 01:05 | < Reiver> | Routing issue? |
| 01:45 | < Serah> | Anyone know how to open the add remove program Windows has in its control panel through console? |
| 01:46 | < Serah> | Win XP pro. |
| 01:51 | <@McM[SanDiego]> | I think the Control Panel's components are actualyl part of the Control Panel proper. |
| 01:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | No, they're seperate programs, but named oddly |
| 01:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | They're .cpl or something |
| 01:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | And you may need to use something like rundll32 to launch them. Not sure, though, it's been a while. |
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| 03:17 | < C_tiger> | Reiver, not a router issue... it's weird. |
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| 03:18 | <@Darius> | The thing is the /whole application/ starts and stops for each web request, essentially. |
| 03:18 | < C_tiger> | it timeouts for lots of stuff. I can't even connect to any of a bunch of decent proxies. |
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| 03:19 | < C_tiger> | er, this is for BB. |
| 03:19 | <@Darius> | ?? |
| 03:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | Vorn: yes. flock() handles this. |
| 03:35 | <@Darius> | And certain questions would ostensibly require either locking all the game files (bad) or locking one very global file (also bad). |
| 03:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...how so? |
| 03:36 | <@Darius> | "show me all the games I'm in" |
| 03:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. Yes. Which requires a read lock on the master index, or on all the games. |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or, I suppose, on the player index. |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or something. |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Still, not a big deal. Lock the file, read it into memory, unlock it. |
| 03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | After the first time the kernel buffers take over and it's just a memcpy() in any case. |
| 03:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | (for added optimization: a single game is a persistent process, except when in long-term storage. Requests simply communicate with it.) |
| 03:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | (metadata is maintained the same way) |
| 03:40 | <@Darius> | The thing is, I can get more granularity in a database, and either way I have to load the data. Doing the file way means figuring out a scheme to, for instance, create games without racing to file creation. |
| 03:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Game counter is master index. Lock, read, increment, write, unlock, create. |
| 03:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | More and more I'm thinking in terms of persistent processes, though. |
| 03:44 | <@Darius> | Thing is, I /can't/ think in persistent processes, because the process count would be obscene, let alone the fd count. |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | How many concurrent games do you expect this to run? o.O |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Hmm. You could even do it with a single persistent process, although this implies no parallelism...) |
| 03:46 | <@Darius> | Well, look at how many concurrent games awbw has: 1793, as of right now. |
| 03:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | How many of those have been played within, say, the past hour? |
| 03:48 | <@Darius> | Not certain. |
| 03:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | (also, I wonder if you'll be able to avoid getting a C&D?) |
| 03:49 | <@Darius> | (considering the number of existing catan games out there? yeah.) |
| 03:50 | <@Darius> | I just need to avoid trademarked things - game rules, by the berne convention, are uncopyrightable) |
| 03:50 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. I do want to see this thing go live, so I'll help where I can. |
| 03:52 | <@Darius> | (anyway the single persistent process is the high-volume production way to do it - the application /is/ the daemon) |
| 03:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | (Yes. I was thinking of having a fastCGI web server talk to it because then you don't need a full HTTP server inside it, just something that recieves requests in some internal format and spits out either replies or HTML) |
| 03:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Suggestion from the family for a non-trademark-infringing name: Pioneers of Natac |
| 03:56 | <@Darius> | One of the things I wanted to do was make it so people could download the art and have their browser use the local art, to save everybody's bandwidth. |
| 03:56 | <@Darius> | ahahahano. |
| 03:56 | <@Darius> | I can just call it "Settlers" - jsettlers does that. |
| 03:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 03:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Re: local art: browser cache already does this |
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| 03:57 | <@Darius> | a true thing. |
| 03:58 | <@Darius> | However i find that it stops doing that if you refresh often enough, and with something like this, refreshing happens often. |
| 03:58 | <@Darius> | Unless i manage to get ajax, it's not going to be pretty. |
| 03:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 03:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Maybe it'd be easier to just write a custom client~ |
| 03:59 | <@Darius> | Been done, but I don't have the chops to insert persistence into it. |
| 03:59 | <@Darius> | Anyway I do intend to make a "bot interface" which would just be lists and lists of numbers. |
| 04:00 | <@ToxicFrog> | Anyways. That's not a terribly hard thing to do in any case, it's a new player setting and a minor adjustment to the HTML emitter. |
| 05:44 | <@Darius> | So, ad I just saw, for a Led Zeppelin-specific channel on XM |
| 05:44 | <@Darius> | At the top it says XMLED |
| 05:46 | <@McM[SanDiego]> | XML'D |
| 05:46 | <@Darius> | My sentiments exactly. |
| 05:46 | <@McM[SanDiego]> | <trogdor type="XML'NATOR" /> |
| 05:47 | <@Darius> | >_< |
| 06:44 | <@jerith> | Darius: Local graphics are easy to do. |
| 06:45 | <@jerith> | You provide an option to download a dir full of pics and tell the server where they are. As part of the session state, persisted per-user, you glue the basename of each pic to that path or to your server location. |
| 06:51 | <@Darius> | ok |
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