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code logs -> 2007 -> Tue, 25 Dec 2007< code.20071224.log - code.20071226.log >
--- Log opened Tue Dec 25 00:00:02 2007
--- Day changed Tue Dec 25 2007
00:00
<@MyCatVerbs>
*Really* late start there, all told.
00:02
<@MyCatVerbs>
Merry ecksmass, all.
00:29 * Kyrre dances with MyCatVerbs.
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05:42 C_tiger changed the topic of #Code to: It's like swiss bank accounts, but for coders! | Have a pastebin! http://rafb.net/paste | Channel mode +U, ask for voice to post links. | &tidings($comfort && $joy); sub tidings{if(@_){$lyric = "";for($i=1;$i<=3;$i++){$lyric .= "We wish you a merry Christmas,\n";}$lyric.="And a happy new year.";}return $lyric;}
05:46
<@C_tiger>
Sorry, I couldn't do it in python... stupid whitespace requirement.
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16:42 * MyCatVerbs hugs Kyrre belatedly.
16:42
<@MyCatVerbs>
C_tiger: I was going to make fun of you for what you just said about whitespace, but then I realised that this is #code, not #haskell. Adjacent windows will one day be the downfall of me, I'm sure. ;)
16:45
<@MyCatVerbs>
(Since Haskell has (optional) syntactic whitespace in more or less exactly the same manner. ¬_¬)
17:05
<@C_tiger>
Ah, well. Merry Christmas anyhow.
18:09
<@MyCatVerbs>
Heh. Have a great time. :)
18:09
<@MyCatVerbs>
(I just meant that sitting in #haskell complaining about significant whitespace would've been slightly silly.)
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21:26 * C_tiger ponders... tidies his code.
21:27 C_tiger changed the topic of #Code to: It's like Swiss bank accounts, but for coders! | Have a pastebin! http://rafb.net/paste | Channel mode +U, ask for voice to post links. | &tidings($comfort && $joy); | sub tidings{if(@_){$lyric = "";for $i (1..3){$lyric .= "We wish you a merry Christmas,\n";}$lyric.="And a happy new year.";}return $lyric;}
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21:38
<@MyCatVerbs>
Is that Perl?
21:38
<@TheWatcher>
Yes
21:38 * MyCatVerbs ponders a more ruby-ish syntax. (comfort && joy).tidings();
21:38
<@jerith>
Ruby--
21:39
<@jerith>
They're ignoring my patches. :-(
21:42
<@MyCatVerbs>
Fair enough, but everything-is-an-object sounds more fun than some-things-are-objects.
21:43 * MyCatVerbs glances askew at Java's fugly little syntax.
21:45 * TheWatcher prefers Perl's 'Eh, just do it how you want' approach, personally
21:46 * TheWatcher tends to like c/c++ for similarish reasons
21:46
<@jerith>
MCV: I'll take Python's object system over Ruby's any day.
21:46
<@MyCatVerbs>
TheWatcher: I can see C, but C++? Aieee!
21:46
<@MyCatVerbs>
jerith: the implementation, or the semantics?
21:54
<@jerith>
Both, but mostly the implementation.
21:57 * C_tiger ponders how best to implement the classic "print the lyrics to 12 days of christmas" task.
21:58
<@jerith>
With a big string literal?
21:59
<@C_tiger>
Yes, that thought did cross my mind.
21:59
<@C_tiger>
Also recursively.
22:02
<@C_tiger>
(although really not necessary since nested for-loops would do just as well and not require recursion... but the word is fun)
22:02
<@MyCatVerbs>
Twelve string literals. Compose them.
22:02
<@jerith>
My plan has one big string literal.
22:02
<@jerith>
And a print statement.
22:02
<@C_tiger>
There is a certain elegance to that plan.
22:03
<@jerith>
'Tis the simplest one.
22:03
<@C_tiger>
It does sort of defeat the whole "programming" aspect that they're going for when then assign this as a project in the beginner's CS class.
22:03
<@jerith>
The second simplest requires an http client and the URL of a lyrics website.
22:03
<@jerith>
C_tiger: It's a silly toy problem.
22:04
<@C_tiger>
Yes.
22:05
<@C_tiger>
I was just wondering if I could squeeze an implementation down so that it would fit into the topic. The http one is very clever.
22:06
<@C_tiger>
That's definitely the best approach I've every seen to this problem.
22:06
<@C_tiger>
ever
22:06
<@jerith>
Can do it in bash, too.
22:06
<@jerith>
With suitable greps and seds.
22:24 * MyCatVerbs ponders an implementation in gzip. ;)
22:25
<@jerith>
curl http://www.41051.com/xmaslyrics/twelvedays.html | grep -A 115 'ter">The' | sed 's/<[^>]*>//g' | sed 's/^[^a-zA-Z0-9]*//'
22:25
<@jerith>
You could prbably make that shorter by using perl or awk.
22:25
<@jerith>
But I'm tired.
22:26
<@jerith>
Runtime is determined almost entirely by the interweb connection.
22:26
<@jerith>
Oh, I forgot to shrink the grep.
22:26
<@MyCatVerbs>
Clever.
22:27
<@ToxicFrog>
Or by piping it through lynx -dump rather than the HTML-stripper
22:27
<@jerith>
curl http://www.41051.com/xmaslyrics/twelvedays.html | grep -A 115 'r">T' | sed 's/<[^>]*>//g' | sed 's/^[^a-zA-Z0-9]*//'
22:28
<@jerith>
lynx -dump doesn't like the partial html and I want to strip out all the gumph around it.
22:28
<@MyCatVerbs>
lynx -dump is pretty cool.
22:28
<@jerith>
Also, lynx is less standard than the other tools.
22:29
<@jerith>
Of those, only curl needs to be separately installed and even that only on some systems.
22:29
<@ToxicFrog>
I find lynx to be present a lot more reliably than curl.
22:29
<@jerith>
Will wget output to stdout?
22:29
<@jerith>
If so, that's even more reliable.
22:31
<@MyCatVerbs>
You can mkfifo if you're desperate.
22:31
<@ToxicFrog>
Yes, it will
22:31
<@MyCatVerbs>
I think wget -O - will work, but if it doesn't then just mkfifo fifo && wget -O fifo;
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
wget -O- works
22:32
<@jerith>
mkfifo is unlikely to work on a Windows box with cygwin, I suspect.
22:32
<@MyCatVerbs>
Yep, the man page says wget -O - works (use wget -O ./- if you need to create a file literally called "-" in the cwd).
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
 -O file
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
 --output-document=file
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
 The documents will not be written to the appropriate files, but all will be concatenated together and written to file. If - is
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
 used as file, documents will be printed to standard output, disabling link conversion. (Use ./- to print to a file literally
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
 named -.)
22:32
<@ToxicFrog>
jerith: it will on recent cygwins, but isn't entirely reliable
22:32
<@MyCatVerbs>
TF: pray tell, what's your terminal width?
22:32 * jerith nods.
22:33
<@jerith>
Lots, I suspect.
22:33
<@ToxicFrog>
How do I find out?
22:33
<@ToxicFrog>
Also, it varies from term to term
22:33
<@ToxicFrog>
That one is almost-fullscreen
22:33
<@jerith>
I usually leace my terminals at 80 chars unless I'm watching logs.
22:33
<@jerith>
*leave
22:33
<@ToxicFrog>
The one I play nethack in is fullscreen (resulting in screams of horror when people try to spectate from 80x24 terminals)
22:34
<@jerith>
My terminals are usually full-height, though.
22:34
<@MyCatVerbs>
ToxicFrog: if you're dragging an xterm, it uses pops up a box showing the width.
22:34
<@jerith>
Anyways, too sleep with me.
22:34
<@jerith>
Cheers all.
22:34
<@MyCatVerbs>
ToxicFrog: no clue how to get at it in Cygwin. Nor PuTTY, come to thing of it.
22:34
<@ToxicFrog>
It's a gnome-tyerminal
22:34
<@ToxicFrog>
'night, jerith
22:35
<@ToxicFrog>
In Cygwin it's -always- 80x24 unless you've modified cygwin.bat to use xterm or rxvt or similar, in which case you use whatever technique is appropriate for that terminal.
22:35
<@MyCatVerbs>
Huh, I thought cygwin used rxvt by defa-no wait, I'm thinking of MSYS.
22:36
<@MyCatVerbs>
I've never really used Cygwin much, MSYS was always so much easier to get set up initially>_>
22:36
<@ToxicFrog>
I find cygwin easier, since it actually has an installer rather than a bunch of sketchily-documented tarballs
22:37
<@ToxicFrog>
But MSYS does has the advantage of being a fraction of the size, so even with experimentation overhead you can get it installed much faster.
22:37 * MyCatVerbs nods.
22:37
<@ToxicFrog>
Doesn't come with all the tools I need, though, so I used cygwin for day to day work and msys for generating builds.
22:37
<@MyCatVerbs>
Often as not, the only thing I actually *use* in MSYS is the OpenSSH implementation. Not really worthwhile when PuTTY is so much nicer.
22:37
<@ToxicFrog>
And now I have a mingw cross compiler, so I don't need msys at all.
22:39
<@MyCatVerbs>
Sweet.
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--- Log closed Wed Dec 26 00:00:01 2007
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