| --- Log opened Mon Dec 24 00:00:49 2007 |
| 00:06 | <@McM[SanDiego]> | Ahaha |
| 00:06 | <@McM[SanDiego]> | Victory is mine. |
| 00:06 | | * McM[SanDiego] rebeats LaL, captures the isnane tongue twister. |
| 00:06 | <@McM[SanDiego]> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/if/lisp-twist.txt |
| 00:12 | | * McM[SanDiego] notes to AnnoDomini that this is hardly unusual; cp, mv and friends also fail to allow wildcards in output. Especially since it's the shell that does the expansion. |
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| 09:11 | <@AnnoDomini> | WTF? The picture I wanted included in the document is visible in the DVI, but not the PDF? |
| 09:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | ... |
| 09:15 | <@AnnoDomini> | If I compile the project to PDF, it doesn't show the picture. But if I compile it to DVI, and then convert to PDF, it does! |
| 09:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | MADNESS. |
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| 10:28 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 10:51 | | * AnnoDomini wonders how to encase a table cell in a box, while leaving the rest of the table lineless. |
| 10:57 | <@Vornicus> | HTML? |
| 10:57 | <@AnnoDomini> | TeX. |
| 11:00 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://i1.tinypic.com/6tkyr68.png <- Like these. |
| 11:00 | <@Vornicus> | Dunno |
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| 12:31 | <@AnnoDomini> | "Sorry I just gave what help I could... Maybe you should try asking a human?" |
| 13:35 | <@jerith> | http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~michaels/blog/?p=15 |
| 13:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | jerith: Do you know perchance how to encase specific cells of a table in lines, without putting them anywhere else? |
| 13:36 | <@AnnoDomini> | In TeX. |
| 13:37 | <@jerith> | Nope. Haven't done any TeX in ages. |
| 13:41 | <@AnnoDomini> | Darn. |
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| 17:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | "You're in trouble here." |
| 17:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | Man, TeX has some really funky error messages. |
| 17:51 | <@jerith> | Indeed. |
| 17:51 | | * jerith blames Knuth. |
| 17:52 | <@AnnoDomini> | Do you perchance remember how to make it do linebreaks in tables? |
| 17:54 | <@jerith> | Nope, sorry. |
| 18:00 | < C_tiger> | Also, as for your earlier question, a little fiddling gave me this solution: |
| 18:00 | < C_tiger> | (eeep need voice) |
| 18:00 | | mode/#code [+o C_tiger] by jerith |
| 18:00 | <@C_tiger> | http://rafb.net/p/aIGE2E29.html |
| 18:01 | <@C_tiger> | Basically draw each line separately. |
| 18:04 | <@AnnoDomini> | It's basically the same thing. I'm trying different approaches. Because the blasted thing doesn't cooperate. |
| 18:05 | <@C_tiger> | While I appreciate the power of LaTEX, I also appreciate that I shouldn't have to use it. Ever! |
| 18:07 | <@C_tiger> | I say this now, and watch me in my next job have to do all my work in LaTeX |
| 18:07 | <@AnnoDomini> | C_tiger: Thank you! That worked, along with \cline. |
| 18:08 | | * AnnoDomini finds that TeX is one of the more fun things he learned at Uni. |
| 18:08 | <@C_tiger> | You're welcome. |
| 18:09 | <@C_tiger> | Yeah you need \cline to do the horizontal lines and \multicolumn to do the vertical ones. |
| 18:09 | <@AnnoDomini> | Fun Things I Learned In Uni: VHDL, Java, TeX. Looks to be one fun skill per year. |
| 18:09 | <@AnnoDomini> | C_tiger: Yes, I know. |
| 18:11 | <@C_tiger> | Fun things I learned in Uni: how to chug a beer in 10 seconds flat, how to appreciate running naked through campus, how to jello-wrestle. |
| 18:16 | <@AnnoDomini> | Pfft. |
| 18:32 | <@C_tiger> | Hmmm... remember when you first learned to program in Logo? |
| 18:33 | | * Vornicus remembers! |
| 18:33 | | * Vornicus was, uh, eight. |
| 18:33 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 18:33 | <@C_tiger> | http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/v1-toc2.html |
| 18:33 | <@AnnoDomini> | http://rafb.net/p/spVO6D63.html <- This is what I had to do to make the thing look like like I wanted it to look like. |
| 18:33 | | * jerith learned BASIC first. |
| 18:33 | | * Vornicus also learned BASIC first. |
| 18:34 | <@C_tiger> | I think I started with logo, then QBASIC |
| 18:34 | <@C_tiger> | Then Pascal. |
| 18:34 | <@Vornicus> | My first "serious" book was the manual to the C64. |
| 18:34 | <@AnnoDomini> | Vornicus: I learned BASIC from there, too. |
| 18:34 | | * AnnoDomini thinks he still has the thing, too. |
| 18:34 | <@C_tiger> | I think I'm younger than you are. |
| 18:34 | <@jerith> | Vorn and I share a lot of history. |
| 18:35 | | * Vornicus has two dead C64s, and doesn't know where his books are. |
| 18:35 | <@EvilDarkLord> | I only learned to program decently after 18. |
| 18:35 | <@Vornicus> | Fortunately, we have Teh Intarnewbs. |
| 18:35 | <@jerith> | Although I predated him by several years. |
| 18:35 | | * Vornicus is also with EDL on that one. |
| 18:35 | | * jerith puts nightwatch back on. |
| 18:35 | | * EvilDarkLord is hoping this does not rule out a career in it. |
| 18:35 | <@Vornicus> | I didn't write anything of my own design until 2001, when Chalain said "you should learn Python!" |
| 18:36 | <@C_tiger> | EDL, I don't think I learned how to program "decently" until I was 18 either. |
| 18:36 | <@C_tiger> | But then again, I don't have a career in it. |
| 18:36 | <@jerith> | I'm still learning to program decently. |
| 18:36 | <@jerith> | And I'm better at it than most. |
| 18:36 | <@EvilDarkLord> | I think it was at 19 or 20 that I got enough evangelism about Python, learned it, and finally realised that programming is fun. |
| 18:36 | | * Vornicus is a decent programmer. |
| 18:37 | <@C_tiger> | Vorn, define "of your own design". |
| 18:37 | | * AnnoDomini isn't a programmer, really. What programmer codes in mIRC script? :p |
| 18:46 | <@Vornicus> | C: as in, not out of Compute's Gazette |
| 18:48 | <@C_tiger> | Yeah, either you're a whole heck of a lot older than me or you started coding when you were a whole heck of a lot younger than I did. |
| 18:48 | | * Vornicus is 25. |
| 18:48 | <@Vornicus> | 26. |
| 18:48 | <@Vornicus> | Hell, I forgot my own age. I'm old. |
| 18:48 | <@C_tiger> | Ok, you started a lot earlier than I. |
| 18:48 | <@C_tiger> | I'm 24. |
| 18:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | Vornicus: WTF?! |
| 18:50 | <@AnnoDomini> | I thought you were like 40+. |
| 18:50 | <@C_tiger> | (He DOES give off that vibe.) |
| 18:50 | <@C_tiger> | Although the shock in your voice is kinda amusing. |
| 18:52 | | * AnnoDomini is 21, BTW. |
| 18:56 | <@jerith> | Umm, only one year. Maybe two. |
| 18:56 | | * AnnoDomini is impressed with his own document. This thing actually looks like it was made by someone with a clue. |
| 18:56 | <@jerith> | I keep thinking of Vorn as younger. |
| 18:57 | <@jerith> | I'm only a year older than him. |
| 19:04 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...man, I'm young. |
| 19:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | (and yeah, I remember when I first learned to program in Logo)\ |
| 19:06 | <@jerith> | ToxicFrog: You're also younger than I, iirc? |
| 19:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | 22. |
| 19:09 | <@C_tiger> | anyhow, the way this conversation started was a discussion of the logo symbolic programming language linked above. |
| 19:13 | <@C_tiger> | What do you think of its value as a language to teach programming basics compared to, say, python. |
| 19:13 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I didn't know that Logo was a Lisp variant until a few months ago. |
| 19:15 | <@jerith> | Logo__ |
| 19:15 | <@jerith> | Umm, Logo++ |
| 19:17 | <@AnnoDomini> | ADD 1 TO COBOL GIVING COBOL. |
| 20:23 | <@MyCatVerbs> | jerith: considering its CS-ey background, Logo' ? |
| 20:23 | | * MyCatVerbs notices Haskell -> Haskell', now. |
| 20:25 | <@MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: huh. I thought you were closer to mid-twenties. |
| 20:25 | <@MyCatVerbs> | (Judging from the sheer quantity of shit you know and I don't. ;) |
| 20:26 | <@ToxicFrog> | I got an early start. |
| 20:29 | <@Vornicus> | for i in python: yield i + 1 |
| 21:02 | <@Vornicus> | TEH INTARNEWBS |
| 21:02 | | * Kazriko was 6-7 when he started, but didn't get to a real language until Pascal in 6th grade. |
| 21:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yeah, I don't think I was doing serious programming (as opposed to random noodling in logo or basic or net3d) until I was 10 or so. |
| 21:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | And wasn't really fluent in any useful language until high school. |
| 21:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | Apart from bash. |
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| 23:59 | <@MyCatVerbs> | ToxicFrog: personally, I did fuck all until, oh, seventeen, more or less. |
| 23:59 | <@MyCatVerbs> | Everything up until then was less programming, more fucking about with random stuff. |
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