| --- Log opened Fri Nov 16 00:00:52 2007 |
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| 03:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | That wasn't meant to happen. |
| 03:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | ((T0 ? T1) ? LE) ? (T3 ? (TSET ? TLOAD)) ? [T2 ? (TBRA ? (TBRZ ? CCRZ) ? (TBRC ? CCRC) ? (TBRN ? CCRN))] ? ?STATE |
| 03:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | Behold, the equation governing the LE control signal. |
| 03:44 | < Vornicus> | Cool. |
| 03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Oddly, while both xchat and openoffice agree on 0x2227 as ?, pasting from one to the other doesn't work. |
| 03:46 | < Vornicus> | heh |
| 03:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | xchat gets ?, and openoffice gets a lot of garbage. |
| 03:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | (pasting from openoffice to gnome-terminal works, and then pasting from gnome-terminal to xchat gets \u2227, and then you're just a sed away from having the right characters, though) |
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| 04:04 | | * ToxicFrog cranks up Still Alive and prints out 16 pages of schematics, equations, design documents, and behaviour tables |
| 04:05 | <@McMartin> | Doing Science, are we? |
| 04:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yep. |
| 04:08 | <@ToxicFrog> | And indeed, now that this is printed out, I need to figure out what domain of computational intelligence, and what domain of physical sciences, I will use for my research project. |
| 04:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: How about uses of genetic algorithms to solve physical engineering problems? |
| 04:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | PROF: You're mad. |
| 04:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: ? |
| 04:09 | <@ToxicFrog> | PROF: The engineering disciplines have become addicted to GAs in the past ten years or so. Given that you only have a month or so to do this project, you'll need to either choose a less popular algorithm or heavily narrow the scope of physical problems you're considering. |
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| 18:31 | < MyCatVerbs> | Hrmn. Is making my programs show off (i.e. print cooler information than the spec asks for) when invoked with +sv_cheats 1 a good idea? =D |
| 18:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Not sure it's a good idea, but it doesn't sound like a bad one either. |
| 18:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | I like the TA for my computational intelligence course. |
| 18:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: So, what other languages did you see for this assignment? |
| 18:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | TA: Apart from yours? C, Java, a bit of C++. |
| 18:32 | <@ToxicFrog> | ME: *sigh* |
| 18:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | TA: I know! When I was an undergrad, the prof giving us free reign was our cue to dig out the most obscure languages we could that would do the job. I did my fourth-year numerical methods coursework in prolog of all things. |
| 18:39 | < GeekSoldier> | do your next one in Befunge. |
| 18:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | I think I'll stick with Lua. |
| 18:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Don't have time to write a translator into one of the n-funges. |
| 18:41 | < GeekSoldier> | heh. just a little bit more practicle? |
| 18:46 | < Vornicus-Latens> | PostScript. |
| 18:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | Did that in second year. |
| 18:47 | < Vornicus-Latens> | ah well |
| 18:47 | | * Vornicus-Latens does like PostScript though. |
| 18:49 | <@ToxicFrog> | I love it dearly, but these days I tend to use it for actually rendering stuff - either directly or emitted from another program - rather than writing complete programs directly in it. |
| 18:52 | < Vornicus-Latens> | Indeed. |
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| 20:22 | | * Vornicus eyes Luis's LJ. The answer is "I wouldn't." |
| 20:23 | | * McMartin also notes that goto is strictly more powerful than Structured Programming. |
| 20:24 | < Vornicus> | I know. |
| 20:24 | <@McMartin> | And I suspect you intend to ban continuations along with goto and exceptions. |
| 20:24 | <@McMartin> | Otherwise I'd do that since they're another way of implementing goto~ |
| 20:26 | < Vornicus> | Yeah |
| 20:27 | | * Vornicus fiddles. catch, if, do-while, if, if-throw |
| 20:28 | < Vornicus> | Can you throw and catch entirely within one function? |
| 20:29 | < Vornicus> | ...never mind that i don't actually know how to land above. |
| 20:32 | <@McMartin> | Catch isn't in C. |
| 20:32 | | You're now known as TheWatcher |
| 20:32 | <@McMartin> | Anyway, there's a backedge from outside of a loop into the the middle of another loop in that code. |
| 20:32 | < Vornicus> | Yeah. |
| 20:33 | <@McMartin> | I can't quote the theorem from memory, but it can't be translated into Wirth-era Structured Programming without code duplication and possibly unbounded recursion. |
| 20:35 | < Vornicus> | I guess the right answer is "implement goto" |
| 20:37 | < Vornicus> | or "use a state machine" |
| 20:38 | <@McMartin> | State machines are implemenhted with goto~ |
| 20:38 | < Vornicus> | Not a switch? |
| 20:39 | <@McMartin> | Switch = computed goto |
| 20:39 | <@McMartin> | Oh, sure, I guess you could use if else if else if else if. |
| 20:39 | <@McMartin> | (And the real answer is "don't do this even with goto in C", for reasons I cover in my reply.) |
| 20:39 | < Vornicus> | I don't think he meant to do that. Anyway this would be a strict switch, break after each condition. |
| 20:40 | <@McMartin> | With a local variable holding your current line number. Yeah, that's basically the continuation approach. |
| 20:40 | <@McMartin> | I don't think that's his question, really, though. I think he's asking how to render the flow as a series of loops and ifs. |
| 20:40 | <@McMartin> | Though, you know, feel free to chime in. |
| 20:43 | < Vornicus> | god that's grindy. |
| 20:46 | | * Vornicus posts. |
| 20:49 | | * McMartin will post the ML version later. |
| 20:49 | < Vornicus> | You can actually clean it up significantly; you can use fall-through for a lot of places, remove some case tags (you need one for each if target)... |
| 20:50 | <@McMartin> | Not many |
| 20:50 | | * Vornicus fiddles. |
| 20:50 | <@McMartin> | Very nearly every line is a basic block in its own right. |
| 20:51 | <@McMartin> | But yeah, only three actual jump targets. |
| 20:51 | <@McMartin> | 10, 30, 70, 110. |
| 20:51 | < Vornicus> | That's four. |
| 20:51 | <@McMartin> | four. |
| 20:52 | <@McMartin> | My diagram is kind of messy |
| 20:52 | < Vornicus> | Then you don't need the line++s |
| 20:53 | < Vornicus> | it ends up going if (x1) {line = TARGET_X1; break;} |
| 20:53 | < Vornicus> | I forget how to do enums. |
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| 21:06 | | * Vornicus puts up an updated one that's a lot smaller and less repetitive. |
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| 21:49 | <@McMartin> | typedef { FOO, BAR, LEEG } metaenum; |
| 21:51 | <@Lerhir> | That looks vaguely lolcattish. Because of te 'ae'. :p |
| 21:52 | <@McMartin> | INVISIBLE TYPEDEF |
| 21:53 | | * Lerhir laughs. |
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