#code.20070922.log

code logs -> 2007 -> Sat, 22 Sep 2007

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--- Log opened Sat Sep 22 00:00:21 2007
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03:52	<@McMartin>	WTF, Western Digital.
03:52	<@McMartin>	When you add a "C" to your chip series, that's suppose to mean you switched to CMOS technology.
03:52	<@McMartin>	Not that you added two addressing modes and thirty opcodes.
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04:25	< ReivSLEP>	They don't have CMOS?
04:46	<@McMartin>	They do have CMOS.
04:46	<@McMartin>	They just also have two new addressing modes and thirty opcodes.
04:46	<@McMartin>	And actually, more like fifty; the reference I was using was incomplete~
04:47	<@ToxicFrog>	o.O
04:47	<@McMartin>	Some of this inflation is due to a quirk of the 65xx mnemonic style.
04:47	<@McMartin>	There is, for instance, no LD opcode.
04:47	<@McMartin>	There is LDA, LDX, and LDY.
04:48	<@McMartin>	And STA, STX, and STY for register->memory operations.
04:48	<@McMartin>	The 65C02 adds STZ.
04:48	<@McMartin>	It also adds 32 mnemonics for "branch if bit set/clear" and "set/clear memory bit".
04:55	<@ToxicFrog>	The LD/ST opcodes are the same as the MC68HC*, looks like.
04:56	<@ToxicFrog>	Why does it need 32 mnemonics for bit tests, though? One for each bit?
04:56	<@ToxicFrog>	Or one for each register x 4 bit operators?
05:01	<@McMartin>	One for each bit.
05:02	<@McMartin>	"SMB2 var", etc
05:02	<@McMartin>	At least, that's how I'm doing it so that I don't have to rewrite my entire parser.
05:06	<@McMartin>	SMB2 var, of course, smacks var in the face with a turnip.
05:14	<@ToxicFrog>	heh.
05:14	<@ToxicFrog>	("Nice PDA, what's it running?" "Linux." "...you're shitting me." "# uname -> Linux")
05:18	<@McMartin>	... there, opcode sorting finished.
05:18	<@McMartin>	Now I should either turn this into something Ophis can eat, or modify Ophis to just read these files directly.
05:19	<@McMartin>	http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/P65/opcodes/
05:20	<@McMartin>	Note that "6510" is actually 6502 with a bunch of mnemonics for accidental properties of the chip when fed invalid opcodes.
05:21	<@ToxicFrog>	Heh.
05:22		* ToxicFrog throttles GPE
05:22	<@ToxicFrog>	Boot it up, it asks me to set a root password...
05:22	<@ToxicFrog>	...forever.
05:23	<@McMartin>	GPE?
05:24	<@ToxicFrog>	One of the desktop environments for OpenEmbedded.
05:24	<@ToxicFrog>	The first time you run it it asks you to configure a bunch of stuff, including the root password; however, it gets stuck, continually displaying the root password screen.
05:24	<@ToxicFrog>	AFAICT I'm the only person who has this problem, too ;.;
05:25	<@McMartin>	Aha
05:26		* McMartin misread you at first as "Set the root password once, and it may never be reset ever again"
05:27	<@ToxicFrog>	That I could live with: sudo nano -w /etc/passwd
05:27	<@McMartin>	heh
05:29	<@ToxicFrog>	(I can't even SSH into it to try to sort things out; the network interfaces don't get started until after initial configuration)
05:29	<@McMartin>	Ick
05:30	<@ToxicFrog>	Oooo, I think I have it working
05:30		* ToxicFrog booted with init=/bin/sh, passwd root, reboot
05:31	<@McMartin>	You can make init be the shell?
05:31	<@ToxicFrog>	(why not just use Opie? Because GPE is X11-based, which enables all kinds of awesome tricks.)
05:31	<@ToxicFrog>	Yes.
05:32	< Vornicus>	...pulling xchat onto your pda, for instance.
05:32	< Vornicus>	:P
05:32	<@ToxicFrog>	Although in this case, init is actually a small shell script that asks whether I want to boot into the shell, or the graphical environment, or load a sysimage from another device and boot that instead.
05:32	<@McMartin>	And nfrotz!
05:32	<@ToxicFrog>	And has "drop me straight into sh" as an advanced option.
05:32	<@ToxicFrog>	nfrotz, yes.
05:32	<@McMartin>	Speaking of which, I have a game to test.
05:33	<@ToxicFrog>	xchat...I don't think this thing has the screen real estate for it, and it definitely doesn't have the CPU power for SSH-tunneled X.
05:33	<@ToxicFrog>	Sadly.
05:34	<@ToxicFrog>	(also, I'd only be able to use xchat in it while it's docked - and if it's docked, I have it docked to something, which I can move xchat onto)
05:34	<@ToxicFrog>	Interesting. GPE actually requires you to log in.
05:34	<@ToxicFrog>	(Opie kicks you straight into the desktop. As root.)
05:39	<@McMartin>	Ooh! Will xgalaxy fit onscreen?
05:39	<@McMartin>	omgpewpew
05:39	<@ToxicFrog>	I have no idea, what's xgalaxy?
05:39	< Vornicus>	Galaxy Patrol as an X11 game rather than an NES game?
05:40	< Vornicus>	is my guess.
05:40	<@McMartin>	Nah
05:40	<@ToxicFrog>	Never played, or indeed heard of, Galaxy Patrol.
05:40	<@McMartin>	It's an old BSD galaga variant.
05:40	<@ToxicFrog>	(I do know that ScummVM will fit onscreen)
05:40	<@McMartin>	Galaxy Patrol is the NES game I wrote years ago.
05:40	< Vornicus>	Galaxy Patrol is a game by McM.
05:40	< Vornicus>	You fly back and forth between pyl^H^H^H stars and collect fuel to keep going.
05:40	<@McMartin>	http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/retro/
05:40	<@McMartin>	Port of a ZX81 game, actually~
05:40	<@ToxicFrog>	Aah. In that case, I've heard about it and forgotten~
05:41	< Vornicus>	Aha.
05:41	<@ToxicFrog>	Anyways...xgalaxy might, and it or a variant thereof might even be in the package manager.
05:41	<@ToxicFrog>	If I can ever get it to bring up the network.
05:42	<@McMartin>	Oh hey, Maelstrom tends to be in the package managers, too.
05:42	<@McMartin>	Though since it still uses the fake orgasm from When Harry Met Sally as the powerup sound you probably shouldn't play that one with sound on in public.
05:42	<@ToxicFrog>	It doesn't have speakers anyways, so.
05:42	< Vornicus>	snrk
05:50	<@ToxicFrog>	Ok, USB networking is go!
05:50	<@ToxicFrog>	To me, package manager!
05:50	<@ToxicFrog>	top
05:50	<@McMartin>	pwnt
05:51	<@ToxicFrog>	(grind grind grind grind grind whirr)
05:52	<@ToxicFrog>	...maybe using ipkg directly would have been wiser.
05:52	<@McMartin>	nfrotz doesn't have an ipkg. ;_;
05:53	<@ToxicFrog>	;.;
05:53	<@ToxicFrog>	I could probably build it from source.
05:53	<@McMartin>	Probably.
05:53	<@McMartin>	I assume if you have X you also have ncursesw.
05:53	<@ToxicFrog>	Although I'm not sure if I can build it right on Auxilior (very, very slowly) or if I'll need a cross-compiler.
05:53	<@McMartin>	Yeeeeah.
05:54	<@McMartin>	I mean, it's not large.
05:54	<@McMartin>	But.
05:54	<@ToxicFrog>	root@collie:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
05:54	<@ToxicFrog>	Processor : Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l)
05:54	<@ToxicFrog>	BogoMIPS : 137.21
05:54	<@McMartin>	(Mainline Frotz is also less memory-intensive than nfrotz, though that may also cause stack blowouts.)
05:55	<@ToxicFrog>	For comparison, Orias - an 800MHz P3 - has a bogoMIPS of 1600.
05:55	<@McMartin>	(nfrotz keeps the entire game file in memory at all times, and IIRC mainline frotz loads from disk as needed.)
05:55	<@ToxicFrog>	Eep.
05:56	<@ToxicFrog>	Well, I've got 64MB of memory in this thing
05:56	<@McMartin>	Oh. Well.
05:56	<@McMartin>	Yeah, Not A Palm.
05:56	<@ToxicFrog>	And a cold boot plus package manager only uses 24MB or so of that.
05:56	<@ToxicFrog>	Opie will use even less, as it doesn't need X11, it just talks to the framebuffer directly.
05:58	<@ToxicFrog>	Hmm.
05:59	<@McMartin>	nfrotz on my system has its VIRT RES SHR as 74912 1680 836 when running a Very Large .z8.
05:59	<@ToxicFrog>	For some reason, it's downloading the package list very, very slowly.
05:59	<@ToxicFrog>	1KBps slowly.
06:01	<@ToxicFrog>	(on a Palm, I would use Kronos anyways, which has some useful features to compensate for the fact that Palms tend to lack keyboards.)
06:02	<@ToxicFrog>	Aaaand it looks like the GPE image does not, in fact, come with curses.
06:04	<@McMartin>	;.;
06:06	<@ToxicFrog>	Happily, frotz 2.43 is in the package manger.
06:06	<@ToxicFrog>	So I'll just trust ipkg to handle all the details.
06:08	<@ToxicFrog>	...xgalaxy does not appear to be there, but OpenTTD is.
06:09	<@McMartin>	Largeness
06:09	<@ToxicFrog>	Yeah. I think I'd need to enlarge / to install it.
06:10	<@McMartin>	FreeCell!
06:10	<@McMartin>	Well, AisleRiot.
06:11	<@ToxicFrog>	what
06:11	<@ToxicFrog>	my brain
06:11	<@ToxicFrog>	x11/games/quake1: Quake I, ported to OpenZaurus.
06:12	< Vornicus>
06:12	< Vornicus>	awesome.
06:13	<@McMartin>	Aren't the data files still under strict copyright?
06:13	<@ToxicFrog>	I suspect this is just the engine; you're espected to then procure the .pak yourself.
06:14	<@McMartin>	Arrrr
06:14		* Vornicus has that.
06:14		* Vornicus has the q2 one too.
06:14		* McMartin still needs to play Marathon.
06:14		* Vornicus is bethumped that you have not.
06:14	<@ToxicFrog>	I'm surprised Marathon hasn't been ported to this.
06:14	<@ToxicFrog>	Doom and RotT both have.
06:15	< Vornicus>	eap RotT
06:15	<@ToxicFrog>	Rise of the Triad.
06:15	< Vornicus>	aha
06:15	<@ToxicFrog>	Old (BUILD? Doom?) engine game.
06:17	<@ToxicFrog>	Ok, this ipkg update is taking so long I'm just going to go to bed and pick it up in the morning.
06:18	<@ToxicFrog>	Based on playing around with the apps, though, I think I'm going to stick with Opie for general PDA-oid tasks, and only boot into GPE for stuff that needs X.
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07:28	< Mischief>	Hey everyone.
07:31	< Mischief>	Would anyone know how I can find out what process is using port 80 on my box? I tried top to see if I had apache open, I don't. And I can't run apache because it won't bind to port 80(Even under root)
07:31	< Vornicus>	tcpdump
07:32	< Mischief>	Don't have the command.
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07:32	< Vornicus-Latens>	dunno then.
07:32	< Mischief>	I'm apt-getting it
07:32	< Mischief>	Took me a second to remember this is debian. Thank you, Vorn
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07:39	< Mischief>	Hmm. If I port range forward 27014 to the local IP of the apache server. Then Port Trigger port 80 to 27014, would that work?
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08:08	<@McMartin>	netstat -atup is also good.
08:12	< Mischief>	I'll tray that
08:12	< Mischief>	...tray.
08:13		* McMartin gets his new NES rom working.
08:13	< Mischief>	Emulator?
08:13	<@McMartin>	Homebrew.
08:13	<@McMartin>	In an emulator, but.
08:13	<@McMartin>	Nothing terribly exciting, just scrolling text
08:14	< Mischief>	Ahh. That's still really cool
08:14	<@McMartin>	Though that does mean that I could produce looping backgrounds of arbitrary length.
08:14	<@McMartin>	Yeah, but I've actually written playable games, so this is less impressive.
08:14	< Mischief>	What about porting things from RPGMaker XP to .rom format?
08:14	<@McMartin>	(It's a test for the last few features in my assembler)
08:14	<@McMartin>	Not a chance in hell.
08:15	< Mischief>	Heh, I doubt I could either.
08:15	<@McMartin>	I'm not convinced it's even reliably possible
08:15	< Mischief>	I'd have to agree.
08:15	<@McMartin>	Bear in mind that the NES has a whopping 2 kilobytes of RAM.
08:15	< Mischief>	Better than the.. Blast, what did they call it? Comandeer?
08:15	< Mischief>	... I hate my memory.
08:15	< Mischief>	Commandor?
08:15	<@McMartin>	The Atari 2600 VCS takes the prize, with 128 bytes of RAM.
08:16	< Mischief>	Impressive.
08:16	<@McMartin>	The Commodore 64 had 64 KB of RAM and several bankswitched ROMs.
08:16	<@McMartin>	And a NES-compatible chip. The '64 is much more pleasant to develop for.
08:16	< Mischief>	I bet.
08:16	<@McMartin>	http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/retro/
08:17		* Mischief headbashes.
08:17	< Mischief>	Apache keeps trying to bind to 0.0.0.0:80
08:17	<@McMartin>	That can't be good
08:17	< Mischief>	Now I've got it trying to bind to a local address, but it says it's already in use.
08:18	< Mischief>	Oh well.. I'll try to figure it out. I've got all night after all.
08:22	< Mischief>	Ah.. Fixed it, I think
08:28	< Mischief>	So how did you make games for the emulator?
08:31	<@McMartin>	With a bunch of tech documents from the Internet, and a cross-assembler I wrote myself (and which has, over the years, been the Real Project).
08:31	< Mischief>	Ah, that's pretty neat.
08:31	< Mischief>	What'd you write it in?
08:31	<@McMartin>	The assembler? Python.
08:32		* McMartin was ranting about Docbook in here earlier; that was for formatting the tutorial for it.
08:32	< Mischief>	Ah, Python. Very cool, then
08:32	<@McMartin>	http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~mcmartin/P65/db/book1.html is the current fruits of that, though it doesn't actually link the sample code or anything.
08:33		* Mischief nods.
08:33	< Mischief>	Would you kindly hit me with something blunt for trying to compile code with sudo? >_<
08:33		* McMartin snaps his fingers, buries Mischief in Orbital Corned Beef Hash.
08:34		* Mischief makes a muffled thanks.
08:34	< Mischief>	without*
08:40	< Mischief>	WOOOO! Yay! I got an error message! But it's a good error message! Vorn, are you here?
08:41	< GeekSoldier>	why, oh why could python not have a do...while() loop?
08:41		* GeekSoldier sighs.
08:42	< Mischief>	/usr/share/moin/htdocs/moin.cgi/ not found
08:42	< Mischief>	The best error I've had in 2 hours.
08:42	<@jerith>	GeekSoldier: While 1: ... if foo: break
08:42	<@jerith>	s/W/w/
08:42	< GeekSoldier>	ooh.
08:43	< GeekSoldier>	thanks jerith.
08:43		* GeekSoldier facepalms.
08:46	<@McMartin>	http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/retro/finalscroll.zip
08:47	<@jerith>	McMartin: What's that?
08:48	<@McMartin>	The homebrew cart I mentioned previously.
08:48	<@McMartin>	And now, shower and sleep.
08:49	<@jerith>	'night McMartin.
09:04	< GeekSoldier>	rule number 42: if you have a counter variable... don't initialize it in the loop that's counting on it.
09:06	< Mischief>	Syntax Error!
09:10	< Mischief>	Whoops, I screwed up my htdoc files.
09:19		You're now known as TheWatcher
09:20	< Mischief>	I think I'm going to go crash now. Setting up MoinMoin is hard. >_<
09:21	< Mischief>	Apache doesn't want to cooperate. And my knowledge on linux is minimal
09:25	<@jerith>	Mischief: if you have some time, pastebin the relevant apache configs and I'll take a look.
09:25	< Mischief>	I was gonna try and throw up an SSH server
09:25	<@jerith>	That's easy.
09:25	< Mischief>	I have FoxyWiki's directory and folders copied with appriopriate access limitations. I'm having trouble linking up Apache to the moin.cgi document though
09:26	<@jerith>	It should actually be installed and running by default.
09:26	< Mischief>	Nope.
09:26	< Mischief>	I just tried, my machine actively refused it.
09:27	<@jerith>	ps aux \| grep sshd
09:27	<@jerith>	Does it show an sshd running?
09:28	< Mischief>	Two of them
09:28		* jerith ponders.
09:28	<@jerith>	What's the message you get from ssh?
09:29	< Mischief>	oh god, let me type it out. >_<
09:29	<@jerith>	Copy/paste?
09:29	< Mischief>	root 16298 0.0 0.2 4924 1060 ? Ss 16:23 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
09:29	< Mischief>	Different machine
09:29	<@jerith>	Or is it on a different box.
09:29	<@jerith>	Ah.
09:30	<@jerith>	OK, so you have sshd running.
09:30	< Mischief>	root 16456 0.0 0.1 2852 704 pts/2 R+ 16:29 0:00 grep sshd
09:30	<@jerith>	The second line is the grep command you're running, not an sshd.
09:30	< Mischief>	Ah.
09:30	<@jerith>	Are you trying to ssh as root?
09:31	< Mischief>	Sorry, I'm in over my head here, just trying to make logic out of it. (Cisco networking, but no experience with linux, y'know?))
09:31	< Mischief>	No
09:31		* jerith nods.
09:31	<@jerith>	Often root logins are disabled over ssh.
09:33	< Mischief>	the user name and password are foxywiki and r0gue
09:33	< Mischief>	(Not very good, but I'm exhausted))
09:33	< Mischief>	I'm trying to figure out why SSH is refusing
09:33	<@jerith>	What message is it giving you?
09:34	<@jerith>	timeout? password refused?
09:34	<@jerith>	connection denied?
09:34	< Mischief>	"no connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it"
09:34	< Mischief>	Windows Error 10061
09:34	<@jerith>	Hmm.
09:35	<@jerith>	Is the machine on the interwebs or only local?
09:36	< Mischief>	interwebs
09:36	<@jerith>	IP?
09:37	< Mischief>	Let me route the port through my router
09:37	<@jerith>	Also, what does your /etc/ssh/sshd_config look like?
09:37	<@jerith>	That would probably be easier to pastebin.
09:39	<@jerith>	I can log in there fine.
09:39	<@jerith>	foxywiki@debian:~$
09:39	< Mischief>	Excellent
09:40	<@jerith>	So, should I poke around your configs a bit?
09:40	< Mischief>	feel free.
09:40	< Mischief>	You have the root password.
09:40	< Mischief>	And thank you for the help, if I doze off, I apologize.
09:40	< Mischief>	It's 5 AM
09:40	<@jerith>	I won't make any changes, just tell you what I think might be broken.
09:41	<@jerith>	Where does moinwiki live?
09:41	< Mischief>	it lives in /usr/share/moin
09:42	< Mischief>	./usr/local/apache2 is you know what. :P
09:42	< Mischief>	I'll be right back, need a bevvy
09:43	< Mischief>	back
09:45	< Mischief>	Now why is the apache server up, but I can't find it in the pid?
09:45	<@jerith>	Where have you been doing the moin config?
09:46	< Mischief>	which one?
09:46	<@jerith>	For apache.
09:46	< Mischief>	httpd.conf
09:47	< Mischief>	I think the echo commands either locked the file, or deleted everything in it. I kept a backup in /backup (at root)
09:47	<@jerith>	Ah, yes. It's empty.
09:47	<@jerith>	Restore it quick?
09:47	< Mischief>	here, I'll CP the backup
09:47	< Mischief>	fixed
09:48	<@jerith>	/etc/apache2/httpd.conf?
09:48	< Mischief>	no
09:49	< Mischief>	The one in /apache2/conf/
09:49	<@jerith>	Oh, that's where I was looking.
09:50	< Mischief>	Let me hit the file really quick
09:50	< Mischief>	I need to readjust it because it's the factory default
09:51	< Mischief>	Done
09:51	<@jerith>	Umm... did you install apache yourself or from apt?
09:51	< Mischief>	Manual
09:51	<@jerith>	Ah, that explains the confusion.
09:51	<@jerith>	What yhou /really/ want to do on a Debian system is use the provided apache.
09:51	<@jerith>	It'll make life a lot easier.
09:51	< Mischief>	Ugh, I tried
09:52	< Mischief>	I couldn't navigate through it worth crap.
09:52	< Mischief>	The virtual hosts thing really threw me off.
09:52	<@jerith>	If it's the only thing running on the box, you just edit the default vhost.
09:53	< Mischief>	reinstalled the apt-get version
09:53	< Mischief>	It's clean
09:53	< Mischief>	Should I rm -rf /usr/local/apache2?
09:58	<@jerith>	Copy your config changes into /etc/apache2/sites-available/default first, probably.
09:59	< Mischief>	Okay, I think I did it right
10:00	<@jerith>	OK, now you need to restart apache.
10:00	< Mischief>	I tried apache2 restart
10:00	< Mischief>	nothing.
10:00	<@jerith>	/etc/init.d/apache2 restart
10:01	< Mischief>	It died
10:01	< Mischief>	it wasn't running in the first place. Which raises a question
10:01	< Mischief>	Why is there a web page anchored to that local IP?
10:01	< Mischief>	Port 80 is in use by something
10:04	<@jerith>	Mischief: killall httpd
10:04	<@jerith>	I think it got confused when you replaced it with the deb one.
10:04	< Mischief>	fixed.
10:04	< Mischief>	Ah-hah!
10:04	< Mischief>	Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_python/3.2.10 Python/2.4.4 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch7 mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 Server at 192.168.1.103 Port 80
10:04	< Mischief>	Is now running
10:05	< Mischief>	The requested URL /moin.cgi/ was not found on this server.
10:06	<@jerith>	You can nuke the Alias /doc section.
10:07	< Mischief>	The where?
10:07	<@jerith>	In /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
10:09	<@jerith>	You also want to kill the RedirectMatch line in there.
10:09	< Mischief>	Nuked
10:09	<@jerith>	(And you can drop the comment lines above it too.)
10:09	< Mischief>	Done
10:10	<@jerith>	Now reload apache's config with /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
10:11	< Mischief>	Right.
10:11	< Mischief>	Still the same error
10:11		* jerith nods.
10:16	< Mischief>	What do you think?
10:17	<@jerith>	Ah, I think I may have it.
10:17	< Mischief>	What's that?
10:18	<@jerith>	Try adding the line: ScriptAlias /moin.cgi "/usr/share/moin/htdocs/moin.cgi"
10:19	<@jerith>	And nuke the /cgi-bin section that is already there.
10:20	< Mischief>	Done
10:20	< Mischief>	ugh. Now we get code
10:20	<@jerith>	Now reload apache...
10:21	< Mischief>	I did.
10:21	< Mischief>	what is we added an alias?
10:21	< Mischief>	"Alias /wiki/ \"$SHARE/htdocs/\""
10:23	<@jerith>	I think you want to put the htdocs in /wiki.
10:23	<@jerith>	So yeah, try that alias.
10:24	<@jerith>	Well, make the target of the alias that same as the DocumentRoot target.
10:25	< Mischief>	agh
10:25	< Mischief>	No changes.
10:25	< Mischief>	I just noticed, on the http pager
10:25	< Mischief>	ConfigurationError: ImportError: No module named wikiconfig
10:26	< Mischief>	wikiconfig.py is located within FoxyWiki
10:26	< Mischief>	It's looking for the configuration file.
10:26	<@jerith>	Ah!
10:26	<@jerith>	You need to put that stuff in your Python search path, I think.
10:27	< Mischief>	Where? XP
10:33	< Mischief>	This is odd.
10:36	< Mischief>	Any more ideas, Jerith? I tried editting the permissions.
10:36	<@jerith>	I'm looking at docs now -- slow net connectino.
10:37	< Mischief>	Okay
10:39	< Mischief>	I got tired of the permissions file and just set it to all
10:39	< Mischief>	chmod -R a+rwX $INSTANCE
10:40	< Mischief>	After export INSTANCE=/usr/share/moin/FoxyWiki
10:42	<@jerith>	http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnInstalling/BasicInstallation
10:42	<@jerith>	http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoin/InstallDocs#linuxapache-install
10:42	< Mischief>	I'm at those pages, yeah
10:42	<@jerith>	De either of those help?
10:42	<@jerith>	*Do
10:42	< Mischief>	I've been following those from the start
10:47	< Mischief>	Does anyone else smell fried brain?
10:53	< Mischief>	I can't seem to get it working, Jerith
10:53	< Mischief>	I think the problem is in the HTdocs file, because the moin script-- references.. to.. Be right back, I need to check that code
10:57	< Mischief>	There, NOW, to fix the permissions
11:00	< Mischief>	why isn't egrep working?
11:08	<@jerith>	Are you looking at the InstallDocs page?
11:08	< Mischief>	Yes
11:08	<@jerith>	That file is empty in yours.
11:08	< Mischief>	I checked two places
11:09	< Mischief>	4 places now
11:09	< Mischief>	The backup directories, /etc/apache and /etc/httpd
11:09	< Mischief>	All files returned no grep
11:09	< Mischief>	Maybe I should just set permission to all
11:09	<@jerith>	In Debian it's www-data:www-data.
11:11	< Mischief>	Fixed
11:11	< Mischief>	We have a new error! =D
11:11	< Mischief>	data_dir "data" does not exists, or has incorrect ownership or
11:11	< Mischief>	permissions.
11:12	<@jerith>	Can you fix that?
11:12	< Mischief>	I don't know, let me check
11:12	< Mischief>	Nada.
11:12	< Mischief>	I reset the permissions on FoxyWiki
11:12	< Mischief>	To what cgi-bin is now
11:13	< Mischief>	I also fixed HTDOCs and pointed it to the right cgi file.
11:16	< Mischief>	Any more ideas, Jerith? I'm completely lost again. And just going around in cirles.
11:16	< Mischief>	(By the by, I appreciate the help. >_<))
11:17	<@jerith>	I think I see the problem...
11:18	<@jerith>	You need to put everything in your instance dir, not htdocs.
11:18	<@jerith>	Or is htdocs your instance dir?
11:18	< Mischief>	FoxyWiki is the instance
11:21	< Mischief>	I pointed index.html to the other moin instance
11:21	< Mischief>	No change in error.
11:22	<@jerith>	Ah, your moin.cgi setup looks good.
11:24	< Mischief>	Just connect to the page
11:24	< Mischief>	It gives you a readout of errors.
11:24	<@jerith>	Aha!
11:24	<@jerith>	You have your data_dir set to './data', not '../data'.
11:25	< Mischief>	Oh! BLAST
11:25	<@jerith>	And you'll need to fix the other dirs as well.
11:25	< Mischief>	Wait, no
11:25	<@jerith>	No?
11:25	< Mischief>	The data directory is in the FoxyWiki folder
11:25	< Mischief>	do a die
11:25	< Mischief>	dir*
11:26	<@jerith>	Yes.
11:26	< Mischief>	../data would be messing with the non-instance files
11:26	<@jerith>	And the moin.cgi that uses it is in FoxyWiki/cgi-bin/
11:26	<@jerith>	So you need to ../ from there.
11:26	< Mischief>	I don't get it. all those options are in wikiconfig.py
11:26	< Mischief>	Which is in the instance folder
11:27	<@jerith>	Yes, but they're being used in moin.cgi
11:27	< Mischief>	Okay, let's try it
11:28	< Mischief>	Ehhh?
11:29	< Mischief>	Check the page again, Jerith
11:29	<@jerith>	Well, we have a wiki there at least.
11:29	<@jerith>	This is a new wiki, no?
11:30	< Mischief>	It is.
11:30	< Mischief>	One of my friends wanted one, and I'm trying to make him one. It'll also be a backup for my character sheets
11:30	<@jerith>	Cool, then we seem to have things sort of right.
11:31	< Mischief>	We have to set frontpage
11:32		* jerith nods.
11:32	<@jerith>	You should be all set now.
11:32	< Mischief>	Right, try this from an outside like
11:32	< Mischief>	http://desertfox.kicks-ass.net/
11:33	< Mischief>	Bah! no.
11:33	<@jerith>	Hmm, we need some more apache config.
11:33	< Mischief>	Yep.
11:33	< Mischief>	http://desertfox.kicks-ass.net/FoxyWiki/ This appears to work
11:33	<@jerith>	First, we probably want to make DocumentRoot point somewhere safer.
11:34	< Mischief>	http://desertfox.kicks-ass.net/ needs to redirect users without IP <my IP>
11:34	< Mischief>	I think that works too.
11:34	<@jerith>	Why not just redirect everyone?
11:34	< Mischief>	That works.
11:35	<@jerith>	So point DocumentRoot at htdocs/, like /wiki/
11:35	<@jerith>	Then you want to set up that redirect thing again.
11:36	< Mischief>	cd /
11:37	< Mischief>	whoops, wrong keybpard
11:37	< Mischief>	... I lost my typing ability 4 hours ago
11:38	< Mischief>	Fixed it
11:38	< Mischief>	Sort of.
11:38	< Mischief>	Now it just redirects you to moin.cgi. :P
11:38	<@jerith>	RedirectMatch ^/$ /FoxyWiki/
11:39	< Mischief>	After DocumentRoot?
11:39	<@jerith>	I think it will work anywhere.
11:39	< Mischief>	Yep.
11:39	<@jerith>	You might want it in the Directory stanza, though.
11:39	< Mischief>	It LIVES!
11:40	<@jerith>	Since that's where it was.
11:40	< Mischief>	I put it where it makes sense.. I suppose. :P
11:40	< Mischief>	Thanks again, Jerith. Now for the next adventure, skinning! (Which I believe I can do!)
11:41	<@jerith>	Enjoy!
11:41	<@jerith>	Always happy to help.
11:41	< Mischief>	Heh, I shall! Sorry to take up 3 hours of your life. XP
11:41	< Mischief>	I started 8 hours ago
11:41	<@jerith>	Nah, I was doing other things at the same time.
11:41	<@jerith>	And if I don't feel like giving people my time on the internet, I don't.
11:42	<@jerith>	You may want to change those passwords, though.
11:42	<@jerith>	IRC is a plain-text protocol.
11:43	< Mischief>	Good point.
11:43	< Mischief>	Or...
11:43	< Mischief>	I could just turn off routing for port 22.
11:43	< Mischief>	And switch Foxy's password
11:43	<@jerith>	That too.
11:43	<@jerith>	Of course, changing the password is too late if you're worried about me.
11:44	<@jerith>	(You needn't be, but then you'd have to trust me anyway to believe that.)
11:44	< Mischief>	Paradox... to earrrly.
11:44	<@jerith>	Have you read Ken Thompson's essay on trusting trust?
11:50	< Mischief>	Trust is a weakness
11:50	<@jerith>	Trust is necessary.
11:50	< Mischief>	((What's the command for cping directories?))
11:51	<@jerith>	cp -r
11:51	< Mischief>	Thank you.
11:58	< Mischief>	Wiki's surge protection?... sigh Well
11:58	< Mischief>	I'm going to clean up all the css coding tomorrow. Goodnight everyone
12:00	<@jerith>	G'night Mischief.
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14:24	<@ToxicFrog>	Ahahahaha. It does have a gcc ipk.
14:24	<@ToxicFrog>	I bet I could build Nethack on this thing.
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14:28	< GeekSoldier>	what's that, TF?
14:33	<@ToxicFrog>	Auxilior, my PDA. Last night we were talking about getting Frotz on it, and possibly building frotz and/or ncurses from source.
14:33	<@ToxicFrog>	As it happens, frotz is in the package manager, so that's not necessary.
14:33	<@ToxicFrog>	Nethack, however, is not.
14:33	<@ToxicFrog>	But gcc is...
14:35	< GeekSoldier>	hmm.
14:35	< GeekSoldier>	I smell an impending port.
14:36	<@ToxicFrog>	Well, if I'm lucky, no porting would be necessary; just turn off a bunch of features in the config and then build it.
16:03	<@ToxicFrog>	Anyone here conversant in VHDL?
16:04	<@jerith>	Not for a while...
16:04	<@jerith>	What's the problem?
16:05	<@ToxicFrog>	I have an 8-bit 3->1 mux.
16:05	<@ToxicFrog>	Is the following valid as a port declaration: I: in array(0 to 2) of std_logic_vector(7 downto 0);
16:06	<@ToxicFrog>	If not, what do I need to change? Or will I have to declare I0, I1 and I2 as seperate inputs?
16:06	<@jerith>	I'm not sure.
16:06	<@jerith>	I /think/ it's valid, but you'd have to check.
16:08	<@ToxicFrog>	Which means installing Xilinx.
16:08		* ToxicFrog deploys the ;.;
16:09	<@ToxicFrog>	Hmm. Array index. a[0], a<0> or a(0)?
16:09	<@jerith>	Are the interwebs not being helpful?
16:16	<@ToxicFrog>	Pfft no
16:17	<@ToxicFrog>	Although the fact that my ISP's DNS servers are up and down like a whore on a trampoline isn't helping.
16:18	<@ToxicFrog>	Aha!
16:22	<@ToxicFrog>	Ok, there's the median calculator...which leaves the 8-bit register and the 3-1 8-bit mux
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22:39	<@jerith>	23:32 < pjd> <zbigniew> the Honda CDR ZX-3
22:39	<@jerith>	23:32 < pjd> her
22:39	<@jerith>	23:32 < pjd> har, even
22:39	<@jerith>	23:32 < pjd> "my other car is a CDR", indeed
22:40		* jerith giggles.
22:40	< Vornicus>	:(
22:41	<@jerith>	You not a lisper?
22:41	<@AnnoDomini>	Zbigniew. Sounds Polish. :p
22:41	<@jerith>	Indeed.
22:42	< GeekSoldier>	lol.
22:43	<@AnnoDomini>	Could someone explain the joke to me?
22:44	<@jerith>	AnnoDomini: It's a lisp thing.
22:44	< GeekSoldier>	lisp has two operations car and cdr, that return the head and tail of a list, respectively.
22:44	<@jerith>	Yeah, what he said.
22:44	<@AnnoDomini>	I see.
22:47	< GeekSoldier>	I know scheme, at least, has up to caaaar to cddddr; I don't know if lisp nests them lke that.
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23:56	<@McMartin>	Ah, Python
23:56	<@McMartin>	parsed_lines = [[x.strip() for x in z] for z in [y.split(':', 1) for y in f.readlines()]]
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