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00:31 | < Takyoji> | I'm a complete moron with vsftpd, would anyone be able to help with it? |
00:31 | < Takyoji> | And I barely have much experience with working with the Linux command line |
00:45 | < Takyoji> | Stupid question; How do I log into the system as 'root'? |
00:45 | < Takyoji> | Or is the user 'root' used by the system? |
00:45 | <@McMartin> | Generally, you don't want to, instead using the "sudo" command. |
00:45 | <@McMartin> | However, setting up sudo appropriately can be a pain in the ass, depending on the distro. |
00:46 | <@McMartin> | "su" is "temporarily make me root until I type 'exit'" |
00:46 | <@McMartin> | You'll need the root password, of course. |
00:46 | <@McMartin> | Ubuntu, I belive, requires you to sudo everything. |
00:46 | | * Reiver pokes about for a ToxicFrog. |
00:46 | < Takyoji> | I'm using the software bundle LAMP from a Ubuntu SErver Edition installation disc |
00:47 | < Takyoji> | so just use 'sudo' infront of the command that requires administrative priviledges? |
00:47 | <@McMartin> | I believe so. |
00:48 | <@McMartin> | You will be prompted for the root passwd the first time; I think it will then let you go 5 minutes or so without re-entering it. |
00:49 | < Takyoji> | I tried using 'edit' to modify 'etc/vsftpd.conf' but it says "Error: no "edit" mailcap rules found for type "application/*"" |
00:49 | <@McMartin> | I'm not really familiar with vsftpd, I'm afraid. |
00:49 | < Takyoji> | oh |
00:49 | <@McMartin> | Try "man vsftpd.conf", I guess? Other than that... |
00:49 | < Takyoji> | It's just an FTP hosting program, |
00:49 | < Takyoji> | hmm I could |
00:49 | <@McMartin> | I know what it is, but I don't host GTP. |
00:49 | <@McMartin> | Er, FTP. |
00:50 | | * McMartin uses scp for file transfers. |
00:50 | <@McMartin> | But that requires people to have an account on the machine, so it's not suitable for "generic upload". |
00:51 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
00:51 | <@McMartin> | vsftpd is, in particular, the one that isn't riddled with terrible security holes. |
00:51 | <@McMartin> | wu_ftpd, IIRC, is particularly bad. |
00:52 | <@McMartin> | In any case, is "edit" normally a command? |
00:52 | <@McMartin> | You might try "nano" instead of "edit" |
00:52 | <@McMartin> | But if it's type application/* it might be some kind of heinous binary. |
00:52 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
00:52 | <@McMartin> | Which strikes me as unlikely, but I've never worked with vsftpd. |
00:53 | < Takyoji> | Oh, it worked |
00:53 | <@McMartin> | As to the contents of the file, I can't help you. |
00:53 | < Takyoji> | And I guess 'edit' is a command.. ;P |
00:53 | < Takyoji> | isn't* |
00:53 | <@McMartin> | Well, it didn't go "edit: command not found" |
00:53 | <@McMartin> | So it's clearly something. |
00:55 | < Takyoji> | ahh |
00:55 | <@McMartin> | Just, uh, not in Fedora, so. |
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02:40 | <@Vornicus> | I forget, how do I run a service as a daemon? |
02:42 | <@Serah> | >_> |
02:42 | <@Vornicus> | like, usually, when I run certain things, I want it to just run in the background and give me my prompt back. |
02:51 | < Takyoji> | I've got the FTP to work now |
02:51 | < Takyoji> | but now apparently the PHP engine isn't able to access files to parse them |
02:52 | < Takyoji> | "Warning: Unknown: failed to open stream: Permission denied in Unknown on line 0 |
02:52 | < Takyoji> | Warning: Unknown: Failed opening '/var/www/index.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in Unknown on line 0" |
03:12 | <@Serah> | [034139] <Vornicus> like, usually, when I run certain things, I want it to just run in the background and give me my prompt back. <- No clue, flag? |
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03:28 | <@gnolam> | Vornicus: & ? |
03:29 | <@Vornicus> | ah, yes |
03:29 | <@Vornicus> | thank you |
03:29 | <@McMartin> | Daemons usually have a -d option that means "Be daemon" |
03:29 | <@McMartin> | The & is "background" and it will generally terminate when that console does. |
03:29 | <@McMartin> | To be a proper daemon it has to give itself to <init> |
03:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | You can also reattach to backgrounded processes with the fg command, as I recall. |
03:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which is not possible with daemons. |
03:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | ("Offer yourself to Init, the one true god!") |
03:31 | <@Derakon> | You recall correctly, TF. |
03:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Takyoji: what does PHP have to do with FTP, out of curiosity? |
03:31 | <@ToxicFrog> | Sorry I wasn't around earlier, I run a vsftpd myself. |
03:32 | <@gnolam> | I'm assuming it's just for the uploading of the PHP files to a webserver. |
03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...but he already has shell on the system he's setting vsftpd up on. |
03:33 | < Takyoji> | oh |
03:33 | < Takyoji> | I have the LAMP software bundle |
03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | So if all it's for is uploading for the webserver, rsync 4tw. |
03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or, better yet, sshfs. |
03:33 | <@ToxicFrog> | Which rocks so hard. |
03:34 | < Takyoji> | And yes, I do need some help with configuring vsftpd |
03:34 | < Takyoji> | so use sshfs instead? |
03:35 | < Takyoji> | brb |
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03:35 | <@ToxicFrog> | It takes some setup, so if you've already got FTP going and it's a secure link (and you aren't planning to do this /often/) it might not be worth it. |
03:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | If it's not a secure link, ftp is unencrypted, so you probably want to switch to rsync or sshfs or at least tunnel your FTP through SSH. |
03:36 | < Takyoji> | Well, I'm trying to setup a development server |
03:36 | < Takyoji> | within my LAN |
03:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | IME, FTP is mostly useful for public servers. |
03:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | public == allows anonymous login, btw. |
03:36 | < Takyoji> | yea |
03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | If the people moving files around have login rights anyways, rsync or sshfs. |
03:37 | <@Derakon> | Also for when you're just uploading content to your website, since that's public anyway. |
03:37 | <@Derakon> | Assuming your website doesn't have any private sections, anyway. |
03:37 | <@ToxicFrog> | Derakon: assuming you aren't worried about people sniffing your FTP password. |
03:37 | <@Derakon> | ...oh, right. Nevermind. |
03:38 | < Takyoji> | so then?? |
03:38 | <@McMartin> | What is this sshfs you mentioned? |
03:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | sshfs, since you might not know, is a FUSE filesystem module that lets you mount a remote server you can ssh into. |
03:38 | <@Derakon> | So basically you can treat the remote server as part of your own filesystem. |
03:38 | <@Derakon> | And use cp and so on to move files onto it. |
03:38 | <@ToxicFrog> | So, eg, sshfs /mnt/orias ben@orias:/ mounts Orias' root directory under /mnt/orias on my local machine. |
03:39 | < Takyoji> | But this is going to be a computer on my LAN that I've been most likely considering to not be able to be exposed to the WAN |
03:39 | <@Derakon> | As long as *you* can access it, that doesn't matter. |
03:39 | <@ToxicFrog> | In that case FTP is sufficient. |
03:39 | <@Derakon> | And yes. |
03:39 | < Takyoji> | Then how would I be able to get it properly setup? |
03:40 | <@McMartin> | Actually, if you've got an account on the target system, scp ought to Just Work (tm) |
03:40 | <@Derakon> | All you need to do is have an ftp daemon running on the host you want to copy files to. |
03:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: indeed. FTP will give vastly better performance if one of the systems is CPU-weak, though. |
03:40 | <@McMartin> | Mmm. Point. |
03:40 | < Takyoji> | I'm using vsftpd as I said earlier, but I can't upload files to some folders.. and I want it to have access to modifying files that apache will host |
03:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | When Orias was a P200 I used FTP for most things because rsync would become CPU-bound at around the 700KBps mark, which on a 100Mbit LAN is pretty pathetic. |
03:41 | < Takyoji> | So should I just make a public folder and have Apache host that folder instead? |
03:42 | < Takyoji> | Or do I use chmod some how, or? |
03:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Takyoji: if you enable write_enable and local_enable in the vsftpd.conf you should be able to touch anything you can as a normal user. |
03:42 | < Takyoji> | ahh k |
03:42 | < Takyoji> | thx |
03:42 | | * Derakon shall go play God of War 2 now. |
03:42 | < Takyoji> | brb |
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03:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | If you need to do things that require root, you'll need to either change permissions on those things or allow root logins through the ftpd. |
03:43 | <@ToxicFrog> | (an idea which gives me the jibblies) |
03:43 | < Takyoji> | I already have both of those enabled and uncommented |
03:44 | < Takyoji> | But I just can't upload I believe or make new folders |
03:44 | < Takyoji> | And I change the permissions of the folder to 773 |
03:45 | < Takyoji> | /var/www is the folder I'm trying to modify |
03:45 | <@ToxicFrog> | Can't *anywhere*, or can't on this specific folder? |
03:46 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...773? rwxrwx-wx? |
03:47 | < Takyoji> | I mean... |
03:47 | < Takyoji> | one sec.. |
03:48 | < Takyoji> | Yep, I stupidly had the permissions set wrong... |
03:49 | <@McMartin> | TF: I was guessing that was for the upload/ directory. |
03:50 | <@McMartin> | where -wx is kinda normal. |
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03:53 | <@ToxicFrog> | McMartin: yes, but /var/www is generally the webserver's / |
03:53 | <@McMartin> | Oh, this was www, not www/incoming |
03:53 | <@McMartin> | nm |
03:54 | | * McMartin is only paying half attention. |
03:54 | < Takyoji> | is there a way where I can setup a limited FTP account that uploads files automatically with a 766 chmod mode? |
03:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | local_umask=011, I think, but (1) double check your man page and (2) I don't know if you can limit this to a specific account |
03:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | My setup is fairly basic, it lets any normal user log in and rw anything they would normally be able to. |
03:56 | < Takyoji> | oh okay |
04:02 | < Takyoji> | yep, it all works now |
04:02 | < Takyoji> | And as far as setting up MySQL? |
04:02 | < Takyoji> | It's installed I believe, but I haven't poked at it yet |
04:03 | <@ToxicFrog> | No idea, I've never worked with it except theoretically. |
04:03 | < Takyoji> | ahh k |
04:04 | < Takyoji> | Otherwise I'm satisfied for now |
04:04 | < Takyoji> | see you later |
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04:04 | <@McMartin> | Man, it's refreshing to see honest inexperience. |
04:05 | <@McMartin> | I'd almost forgotten what it looked like. |
04:05 | <@McMartin> | Of course, it didn't help that most of it involved stuff I couldn't help with. =/ |
04:25 | <@Serah> | <McMartin> Daemons usually have a -d option that means "Be daemon" <- 's what I meant with "flag" |
04:26 | <@Serah> | Except I didn't know it was -d |
04:26 | | * McMartin kind of has the brain worms today. |
04:30 | <@Serah> | http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i313/cattygirl_2006/Rainys%20Quirks/P289-l.jpg ? |
04:40 | | * Vornicus still wonders where that came from originally. |
04:41 | <@McMartin> | Indeed |
04:41 | <@McMartin> | I recall you asking that once and getting about 14 replies with that icon and "no idea" |
04:41 | <@Vornicus> | indeed. |
04:43 | <@Serah> | Hehe. |
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07:00 | <@Vornicus> | REiver: yeah, I agree that the trophy cards should be cooler. |
07:05 | < Doctor_Nick> | i agree |
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08:23 | <@Vornicus> | jerith, have you worked with Django? |
08:23 | <@jerith> | Nope. |
08:24 | <@Vornicus> | It looks like it's a web framework for Python. |
08:24 | <@Vornicus> | With all the database goodies baked in. |
08:24 | <@jerith> | Although my Erlang tut was publicly bookmarked by Django's lead developer, so I have an irrational fondness for the project. |
08:24 | <@Vornicus> | Now if I could get it to actually run... |
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09:16 | < KarmaBot> | KarmaBot v1.19. online and ready. Type "!help commands" for command list. |
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09:18 | < KBot> | KarmaBot v1.19. online and ready. Type "!help commands" for command list. |
09:18 | <@jerith> | !help commands |
09:18 | < KBot> | List of commands: !fs; !calc; !roll (!dice and !pice also supported); !incant; !incantx; !spellcost; !xpreq; !gold; !day; /ctcp KarmaBot JOIN #channel; /ctcp KarmaBot PART #channel; !flipon; !flipoff; !8Ball; !schlock; !dmbot; !pointvalue (!pointbuy also works); !autofire; !music; !stopmusic; !listmusic; |
09:19 | <@jerith> | Yay! They don't fight! |
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09:22 | <@Vornicus> | That, or they might if they were actually both here at the same time. |
09:22 | | * jerith nods. |
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12:03 | < Reiver> | Windows XP, DOS: |
12:03 | < Reiver> | Is there a way to delete files according to a wildcard/regex? |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000150.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000151.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000152.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000153.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000154.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000155.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000156.rar |
12:04 | < Reiver> | 24/03/2007 02:02 a.m. 1,000 title.part0000157.rar |
12:04 | <@jerith> | Only the two basic * and ? glob wildcards, afaik. |
12:04 | < Reiver> | I think this goes on until the 0s run out. |
12:04 | < Reiver> | I would quite like them off my desktop |
12:04 | < Reiver> | ...I suppose I could just open up the desktop as a folder and select, though. |
12:04 | <@jerith> | del title.part*.rar should do it. |
12:04 | | * Reiver goes to do that, n/m. He's just tired. |
12:04 | < Reiver> | ...Or that! |
12:05 | < Reiver> | Thankye. |
12:05 | < Reiver> | (There is enough that it chokes my window explorer. |
12:05 | < Reiver> | Old computer. *shrug*) |
12:05 | | * Serah PatPats Reiver. |
12:06 | | * jerith patpats the Reiver, prescribes coffee. |
12:06 | < Reiver> | Whee! |
12:06 | < Reiver> | All clean! |
12:06 | < Reiver> | Thanks, jerith. |
12:06 | | * Reiver knew it was simple. |
12:06 | | * Reiver also did not trust his addled brain to not accidentally fuck it up. >.> |
12:09 | | * Serah dances with Reiver. |
12:10 | < Reiver> | Serah: "Enter password for this encrypted file"? |
12:10 | <@jerith> | password1 |
12:10 | <@Serah> | Shit, you should've asked yesterday >_> |
12:10 | <@Serah> | Must be ninja |
12:10 | | * jerith grins. |
12:10 | <@jerith> | god, sex, love, secret |
12:11 | <@Serah> | No, I set it. |
12:11 | <@Serah> | Definately ninja |
12:12 | | * Reiver frowns. |
12:12 | < Reiver> | No dice. |
12:13 | | * McMartin goes to transcribe various conversations from the WS archives. |
12:13 | <@McMartin> | Making this interactive is going to be hard. ;_; |
12:13 | <@McMartin> | (I'm past 33,000 words though. *dance*) |
12:13 | < Reiver> | o.O |
12:13 | <@Vornicus> | This is a big IF. |
12:13 | < Reiver> | Impressive. |
12:14 | <@McMartin> | It still (barely) fits in a .z5 |
12:14 | <@Vornicus> | Impressive. |
12:14 | <@McMartin> | ...When stripped and compiled to optimize for space. |
12:14 | < Reiver> | what're the format differences anyway? |
12:14 | <@Vornicus> | Pfff |
12:14 | <@McMartin> | .z5: 64 kB writable memory, 256kB total space. |
12:15 | <@McMartin> | .z8: 64kB writable memory, 512kB total space. |
12:15 | <@McMartin> | .ulx: 4GB writable memory. |
12:15 | < Reiver> | |
12:15 | <@McMartin> | It's rare to see .ulx bare; it's usually part of a .blb or .gblorb. |
12:15 | <@McMartin> | .ulx is Not The Z-Machine. |
12:16 | <@McMartin> | You may recognize 64kB and 4GB as being the 16-bit and 32-bit address space sizes. |
12:16 | | * Vornicus ponders. |
12:16 | <@McMartin> | .ulx is the Glulx machine, which is a 32-bit VM inspired in large part by the Z-Machine. |
12:18 | <@McMartin> | Glulx also has a much richer I/O library and is capable of portably doing graphics and sound. |
12:21 | <@McMartin> | And actually, I haven't checked memory usage on WSIF recently. |
12:21 | | * McMartin fires up I7 to check. |
12:25 | <@McMartin> | OK. It's $3e600 out of $3ffff max. |
12:25 | <@McMartin> | For .z5 |
12:26 | <@McMartin> | Writable memory used is $7992 out of $ffff max. |
12:26 | <@McMartin> | I think I'm good. |
12:28 | | * jerith hereby declares McMartin good. |
12:28 | <@McMartin> | That's 47% RAM usage and 97% of .z5 ROM usage. |
12:28 | <@McMartin> | The code expands a little bit when going to .z8 because far pointers are computed differently (it uses alignment tricks to keep all pointers 16-bit). |
12:31 | | * Vornicus wonders what these alignment tricks are |
12:32 | <@McMartin> | http://www.inform-fiction.org/zmachine/standards/z1point0/sect01.html#two |
12:33 | <@McMartin> | Basically, 16-bit word. .z5 addresses must be double-word aligned, .z8 addresses must be quad-word-aligned. |
12:33 | <@McMartin> | .z6 and .z7 had Wackiness. |
12:35 | <@Vornicus> | "Note that the total of dynamic plus static memory must not exceed 64K. (In fact, 64K minus 2 bytes.) This is the most serious limitation on the Z-machine (though it has not yet been reached by anyone)." |
12:35 | <@Vornicus> | Ah, for those halcyon days when 64k was enough |
12:35 | <@Vornicus> | :P |
12:36 | <@Serah> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiih1fC8J4 Cute ad. |
12:37 | <@McMartin> | Vorn: Seriously? It hasn't. Not by non-lazy programmers. |
12:37 | <@Vornicus> | well, okay, point |
12:37 | <@McMartin> | The only way to blast past the 64kB limit is to declare huge arrays. |
12:37 | <@Vornicus> | And glulx programmers, with the images and the sounds and so forth, but |
12:37 | <@McMartin> | So, um, ROTA bumps up against the limit, because it does automatic pathfinding and maze generation. |
12:37 | <@McMartin> | Well, glulx itself doesn't see much of that. |
12:38 | <@McMartin> | It sees "OK, I/O Library, now display image #3!" |
12:39 | <@Vornicus> | Well, okay |
12:39 | <@McMartin> | The 64kB limit is essentially on the game state. |
12:39 | <@McMartin> | It's what you write out to disk in a savegame. |
12:39 | <@McMartin> | (Sort of. Actually you XOR it with the initial state and then RLE it, which compresses things that haven't changed since game start) |
12:39 | <@Vornicus> | Oh /that/ is how it works |
12:40 | <@McMartin> | (Like, oh, the room objects and their various properties like connection to other rooms) |
12:40 | <@McMartin> | It takes some serious work to make the relevant game state be > 64kB, especially when each object tends to weigh in at roughly 40 bytes. |
12:41 | <@jerith> | !dice 65535/40 |
12:41 | < KarmaBot> | [jerith] 65535/40 = 1638.375. |
12:41 | <@jerith> | Just create 1700 objects? ;-) |
12:41 | <@McMartin> | That's some serious work. |
12:42 | <@McMartin> | Unless you're an idiot and define an array of 700 rocks, just in case the player is really serious about carrying the gravel bed around with him. |
12:42 | <@McMartin> | In which case you are an idiot and need to redesign things~ |
12:42 | <@jerith> | And here I wanted to build everything out of atoms... |
12:42 | | * Vornicus wonders at memory usage statistics for various games. |
12:43 | <@McMartin> | Have I sent you dynsiz.py, Vorn? |
12:43 | <@Vornicus> | Never heard of it, so no |
12:43 | <@McMartin> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/if/dynsiz.py |
12:44 | <@McMartin> | Takes a .z? or .zblorb file as an argument, gives the Z-Code version, the size of Dynamic Memory, and the total size. |
12:44 | <@jerith> | http://pastebin.div0.co.za/results/5BAD33G7B.html <-- Does anyone see anything fundamentally wrong with this approach? |
12:44 | | * McMartin doesn't have near enough recent sleep to make sense of it beyond "it looks syntactically correct" |
12:45 | <@jerith> | http://pastebin.div0.co.za/results/GFE745D3C.html <-- the other files. |
12:45 | <@Vornicus> | FSMError? You have a flying spaghetti monster? |
12:46 | <@Serah> | YES! |
12:46 | | * Serah is feeling loud and obnoxious >_< |
12:46 | | Reiver is now known as ReivZzz |
12:46 | <@jerith> | That's in case he Touches my finite state machine with His Noodly Appendage. |
12:46 | <@jerith> | G'night Reiv. |
12:46 | <@Serah> | Nightreiv. |
12:48 | <@McMartin> | "By virtue of your superior skills, it is clear that you qualify as a superior mutant. For the low price of $30 you can assure your eternal salvation!" |
12:50 | | * jerith sends McMartin 30k Zimbabwean dollars. |
12:50 | <@jerith> | Soory, we don't have any smaller denominations. |
12:52 | <@Vornicus> | ...inflation: 1729% |
13:02 | <@McMartin> | I totally have to work the OSH conspiracy into this. |
13:03 | <@McMartin> | They stand on street corners, handing out printed copies of the human genome project. |
13:03 | <@McMartin> | In an effort to open-source humanity. |
13:03 | <@Vornicus> | wackiness. |
13:03 | <@McMartin> | It's too bad I can't draw and couldn't be arsed to write much; WS was fun~ |
13:04 | <@McMartin> | I think in the IF they'll just have to be random lunatics. In the comic they were actually a Sinister Plot by the Weishaupt Foundation. |
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20:46 | <@Chalcedon> | anybody about? |
20:47 | <@jerith> | I am. |
20:48 | | * Chalcedon hug jerith |
20:48 | <@Chalcedon> | I am shortly going to reformat my computer (finally) |
20:48 | <@jerith> | \o/ |
20:48 | <@Chalcedon> | but first I need to copy all my files to Forj's hard drive so I don't loose anything |
20:48 | <@jerith> | All backed up, I hope? |
20:48 | <@jerith> | Ah. |
20:49 | <@Chalcedon> | (I don't really have time to sort it right now) |
20:49 | <@Chalcedon> | I was wondering if there was an optimal way to do this so that a) I don't miss anything and b) I don't get things I don't want like system files |
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20:53 | <@jerith> | I don't really think there is. |
20:53 | <@jerith> | My Documents, etc. of course. |
20:53 | <@Chalcedon> | ok thanks :) |
20:54 | <@Chalcedon> | I'll be back later to ask about how to partition the drive, but I have a house to clean at the moment. |
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