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| 00:52 | < MyCatVerbs> | Hehehehhe. |
| 00:52 | < MyCatVerbs> | My lecturer's automated Java style checker produces some REALLY funky output when I run it on PDF files. =D |
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| 04:18 | <@McMartin> | Hmm. I guess that guy didn't quite break the First Rule of Bug Reporting. |
| 04:18 | <@McMartin> | He came awful close, though. |
| 04:26 | <@McMartin> | http://bugs.uqm.stack.nl/show_bug.cgi?id=965 |
| 04:26 | <@McMartin> | The only reason it doesn't break it is because I don't expect Win32 users to actually know how to compute an MD5 sum. |
| 04:34 | <@ToxicFrog> | What's the First Rule? |
| 04:36 | <@McMartin> | Give the programmer some credit for basic intelligence -- if it actually immediately destroys the whole system when run, He Probably Would Have Noticed. |
| 04:36 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
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| 05:59 | <@Raif> | AV companies never seem to notice. ;) |
| 06:00 | <@McMartin> | In other news, Mr. Bond |
| 06:00 | <@McMartin> | The "petcat" program is now fully operational |
| 06:00 | <@Raif> | petcat? |
| 06:00 | <@McMartin> | PETSCII-to-ASCII converter. |
| 06:00 | <@McMartin> | This means, among other things, that I can make old BASIC listings directly runnable in C64 emulators. |
| 06:02 | <@McMartin> | (Of which I've had a fair number lying around for some time) |
| 06:02 | <@ToxicFrog> | PETSCII? |
| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | Most of the 8-bit home computers predate widespread adoption of uniform encodings. |
| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | Neither the Apple II series nor the 8-bit Commodores actually use ASCII. |
| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | Though the Commodores come close. |
| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | PET was their first 8-bit machine. |
| 06:03 | <@McMartin> | PETSCII is thus PET-ASCII. |
| 06:04 | <@McMartin> | The letters, numbers, and punctuation are mostly in the right place. |
| 06:04 | <@McMartin> | However, it's monocase by default, with graphics chars where the lowercase letters would go. |
| 06:04 | <@McMartin> | Furthermore, when dualcase, lower and uppercase are wswapped. |
| 06:04 | <@McMartin> | There are also various other characters -- mostly in the 129+ and 0-31 range -- that serve as terminal control codes. |
| 06:05 | <@McMartin> | chr(147) is "clear screen", for instance. |
| 06:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 06:05 | <@McMartin> | PETSCII also can convert to and from the bytecoded format used to store BASIC programs. |
| 06:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | And petcat...takes a PETSCII text and converts it to ASCII? |
| 06:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or the converse? |
| 06:05 | <@McMartin> | Both. |
| 06:05 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aha |
| 06:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | The one where, say, "PRINT" is a single character, was it? |
| 06:06 | <@McMartin> | Yes. |
| 06:06 | <@McMartin> | Specifically, '?'. |
| 06:06 | <@ToxicFrog> | ? |
| 06:06 | <@McMartin> | "POKE" was two; "Po". |
| 06:06 | <@McMartin> | You can actually type the bytecodes on a C64 keyboard if you want. |
| 06:06 | <@McMartin> | So if you hit P, then shift-O, that will produce "POKE" when LISTed. |
| 06:06 | <@McMartin> | And the bytecode for "PRINT" was the question mark. |
| 06:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 06:07 | <@McMartin> | Which is actually a Standard Abbreviation, back in the day, so, you know. Two birds, one stone. |
| 06:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | I was wondering if that was an actual question mark, or a character set mismatch rendering artefact. |
| 06:07 | <@McMartin> | Ah. No, that was quite intentional |
| 06:07 | <@McMartin> | Home time |
| 06:07 | | * McMartin heads out |
| 06:24 | | * ToxicFrog crushes Galbadia Hotel beneath his armoured heels, for something like the sixth time |
| 06:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | I do wonder when they will admit defeat and stop changing the page format. |
| 06:25 | <@ToxicFrog> | They have to realize it's futile. |
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| 07:33 | <@Raif> | I think you should convert PETSCII into utf16. :) |
| 07:34 | <@McMartin> | I'm not sure all the characters map |
| 07:35 | | * McMartin does, however, pull all the useful demos out of the C64 Programmer's Reference Manual. |
| 07:39 | | * Reiver ponders. |
| 07:39 | < Reiver> | Hey, Techie Peoples. |
| 07:40 | < Reiver> | vNvidia or ATi? |
| 07:40 | | * Reiver knows TF's opinion, but keeps hearing things to the contrary... |
| 07:40 | | * Mahal votes nvidia |
| 07:40 | <@McMartin> | My experience is 180 degrees opposite TF's. |
| 07:43 | < Reiver> | Hrm. |
| 07:43 | | * Reiver scratch head, then. |
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| 09:37 | <@McMartin> | http://www.stanford.edu/~mcmartin/misc/retro_kitten.png |
| 09:38 | < AnnoDomini> | Cute. |
| 09:39 | <@McMartin> | (Have successfully scanned, tokenized, and packaged as binaries all the sample programs in the C64 Programmer's Reference Guide now. However, they don't all actually, like, work, so...) |
| 09:39 | <@McMartin> | (The kitten works, though) |
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| 09:40 | < Reiver> | (the kitten is cute.) |
| 09:40 | | * Reiver gives it a 10, of course. |
| 09:41 | < AnnoDomini> | Eleven out of ten! Absoloodle! |
| 09:41 | <@McMartin> | "Dude, our kittens go up to eleven" |
| 09:47 | < gnolam> | Kittens are for huffing. |
| 09:48 | <@McMartin> | Dude, kitten huffing killed Oscar Wilde. |
| 09:48 | <@McMartin> | (the orange ones fuck you up real good) |
| 09:48 | < gnolam> | I can quit anytime I want! |
| 09:49 | <@McMartin> | It also gives you the Aggravate Monster intrinsic. |
| 09:49 | | * gnolam furtively insufflates a tabby. |
| 09:49 | <@McMartin> | I am so telling Odin on you. |
| 09:49 | <@McMartin> | The next time you #pray, it will be the wide-angle disintegration beam for you! |
| 09:50 | < Reiver> | Wide angle? |
| 09:50 | < Reiver> | I prefer the really really narrow one. |
| 09:50 | < Reiver> | That tends to autotarget the person codpeice. |
| 09:50 | < Reiver> | Great for parties! Or so the brochure said. |
| 09:51 | <@McMartin> | Wide angle takes them out and everything they wear. |
| 09:51 | < AnnoDomini> | Maximized Disintegrate! |
| 09:51 | <@McMartin> | narrow takes out a single item they wear, unless they've got reflection, in which case it rebounds on the caster. |
| 09:52 | <@McMartin> | The only thing that can save you from wide-angle disintegrate is disint resist or being swallowed (by something shock-resistant, or else the lightning bolt of Doom that predates it would expose you to the blast) |
| 09:52 | < AnnoDomini> | The real party spell is Baleful Polymorph. :) |
| 09:53 | | * Reiver eyes. |
| 09:53 | < Reiver> | It lightning bolts you, then disintegrates you? |
| 09:53 | <@McMartin> | Reiver: Eating your pet kitten Really, Really Pisses Off your God. |
| 09:54 | <@McMartin> | If you manage to survive to survive the disint blast, s/he booms, "I believe it not!" and then sends three or four higher Angels/Elementals/Demons to kick your ass. |
| 09:55 | < Reiver> | Can you beat them? |
| 09:55 | <@McMartin> | If you've managed to get disint resist, you're already badass enough to kill and eat black dragons. |
| 09:55 | <@McMartin> | So yeah, probably. |
| 09:56 | <@McMartin> | Archons can make life annoying, though. |
| 09:56 | <@McMartin> | They chain-summon. |
| 09:56 | <@McMartin> | In largish levels this can result in every square on the map but the one you're standing on having a monster in it. |
| 09:56 | < Reiver> | That's... not healthy. |
| 09:56 | <@McMartin> | At that point you risk starving to death because you don't have time to eat~ |
| 09:56 | < Reiver> | ... |
| 09:56 | < Reiver> | Interesting way to die~ |
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| 10:00 | | * AnnoDomini imagines someone suitable badass eating and then killing black dragons. Your digestive juices > their immunity to acid. |
| 10:00 | < AnnoDomini> | *suitably |
| 10:00 | < gnolam> | If the one you love isn't quite as smitten, she'll like you better when you kill a kitten. |
| 10:00 | < Reiver> | ... |
| 10:01 | <@McMartin> | gnolam gets a 1. |
| 10:01 | < gnolam> | And I quote the bible 'cause that's where it's written: if ye loveth Jesus ye must kill a kitten. |
| 10:02 | < Reiver> | This is why the world is full of angry muslims? |
| 10:03 | <@McMartin> | And why American atheists are pushier than the ones elsewhere. |
| 10:03 | < Reiver> | Because they are protecting the kittens? |
| 10:04 | < gnolam> | For the non-existing God's sake, think of the kittens. |
| 10:04 | <@McMartin> | Well, it's not for God's sake. |
| 10:04 | <@McMartin> | It's just that clearly they who love Jesus are kitten-stomping evildoers who must be thwarted at every turn. |
| 10:05 | < Reiver> | Hm, I see. |
| 10:05 | < Reiver> | This does indeed make a degree of sense. |
| 10:05 | < Reiver> | In that militant, american way, anyway. |
| 10:06 | <@McMartin> | (More to the point, US atheists are, apparently pushier than others -- it's the only nation where the athiests are statistically likelty to proselytize for atheism to someone having a religious crisis) |
| 10:06 | <@McMartin> | (Elsewhere they're likely to suggest they work it out on their own) |
| 10:07 | < Reiver> | ...Isn't it best to just leave them to it? |
| 10:07 | < Reiver> | Poking your nose into other peoples affairs like that is generally counterproductive. |
| 10:10 | < gnolam> | McMartin: Well, that has its reasons. |
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| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | (gdb) print i |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | $15 = -1 |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | (gdb) print node->x+1 |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | $16 = 1 |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | (gdb) print i <= node->x+1 |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | $17 = false |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | (gdb) print -1 <= 1 |
| 17:17 | < ToxicFrog> | $18 = true |
| 17:19 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[afk] |
| 17:19 | < Vornicus> | okay. |
| 17:25 | < ToxicFrog> | Aha, it's signedness woes. |
| 17:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Damn I'm good. |
| 17:27 | < ToxicFrog> | $ ./segment -f parrotb_fg.pgm -s parrotb_seg.pgm parrotb.pgm |
| 17:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Loading image (parrotb.pgm): done |
| 17:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Performing threshold analysis: (threshold: 122) done |
| 17:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Saving FG/BG bitmap (parrotb_fg.pgm): done |
| 17:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Performing connected object analysis: done (found 10 objects) |
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| 21:07 | < Vornicus> | <Pi> c:\blah> touch somenewfile.cpp |
| 21:07 | < Vornicus> | <Pi> Can't touch somenewfile.cpp - No such file or directory |
| 21:07 | < Vornicus> | We call this, unclear on the concept. |
| 21:08 | < AnnoDomini> | Can't touch this. |
| 21:08 | < AnnoDomini> | :P |
| 21:08 | | * AnnoDomini immediately hears the song. |
| 21:10 | < Vornicus> | (touch opens a file in append mode, and then immediately recloses it. What this does is change the file's modification date to right now ("make it dirty"), or create the file if it doesn't exist) |
| 21:10 | < Vornicus> | (yes. touching something makes it dirty) |
| 21:13 | < McMartin> | "washhands not found in /usr/bin" |
| 21:14 | < Vornicus> | pfff |
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| 21:29 | <@Chalcedon> | why does touching something make it dirty? |
| 21:29 | < Vornicus> | "dirty" in this case means "modified since the last time this program checked" |
| 21:29 | < Vornicus> | Or similar |
| 21:30 | < McMartin> | I tend to also add "and thus in need of being resynched" |
| 21:31 | < Vornicus> | And that usually means that the program has to do something with the file - SVN puts it into your commit, rsync copies it to other locations, apache with caching on will look at the file again... |
| 21:33 | < McMartin> | Well. SVN will do the diff, but I don't think it actually will commit it, will it? |
| 21:34 | < Vornicus> | ...I'm not sure. It will certainly do the diff though. |
| 21:35 | < Vornicus> | I don't actually know any situations where you would use the dirtying property of touch. |
| 21:35 | <@Chalcedon> | so what do you use it for |
| 21:35 | < Vornicus> | I use it to create files where none exist. |
| 21:35 | | * Chalcedon nods |
| 21:36 | < Vornicus> | Where something requires that a file exists, but it might not. |
| 21:36 | < Vornicus> | I also use it when I want to create a lockfile, something that says "This script is already running, so don't run it again" |
| 21:38 | <@Chalcedon> | I /think/ you're making sense |
| 21:38 | < McMartin> | Hum. Isn't there a different syscall for that? |
| 21:38 | < McMartin> | Because lockfiles are only safe if you check-and-create atomically |
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| 21:39 | <@Chalcedon> | hi timelady |
| 21:39 | < Vornicus> | McM: not one that I'm aware of being able to talk to from the shell. |
| 21:39 | < timelady> | hey kids:) |
| 21:39 | < timelady> | im a bit disappointed |
| 21:39 | | * Vornicus poings TL |
| 21:39 | < timelady> | there was no earth shattering kaboom |
| 21:39 | | * Chalcedon whips up some nitroglycerin for timelady |
| 21:40 | < timelady> | wtf is the point of warning people its all alpha if its so stable? |
| 21:40 | | * timelady disconsolately pokes feisty. alpha my butt |
| 21:40 | < Vornicus> | In any case, the usual use of such a file is something stuck to a cron job, and those have a granularity of a minute. If it takes you a minute to check for the existance of, and possibly create, a lockfile, you have yourself a hell of a problem. |
| 21:43 | < Vornicus> | Alpha usually means they don't even have all the functionality in. |
| 21:44 | < Vornicus> | And that the user-facing design is liable to change without warning. |
| 21:45 | < timelady> | alpha herd 3 ISNT |
| 21:46 | < Vornicus> | Some projects seem to never lose that alpha thing. |
| 21:47 | < EvilDarkLord> | It's like GMail and Beta. As far as I know it beats the crap out of most of the competition but it's still Beta. |
| 21:47 | < timelady> | oh, they are cautious. it goes into beta mar11, ful release april 11 |
| 21:47 | < timelady> | oh, gmail out of beta btw |
| 21:48 | < timelady> | and they are startign to filter out to some users pop access to up to four external email accounts via gmail interface - sweet |
| 21:49 | < EvilDarkLord> | You sure? I still have a big Beta stamp on the logo here. |
| 21:49 | < ToxicFrog> | Feh. |
| 21:50 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm still waiting for google to fix the goddamn spam filter. |
| 21:50 | < Vornicus> | what's wrong with it? |
| 21:50 | < ToxicFrog> | You can't turn it off, and you can't access the stuff it traps from POP3. |
| 21:50 | < Vornicus> | aha |
| 21:51 | < Vornicus> | Do you get imap access? |
| 21:51 | < ToxicFrog> | So if you're using POP3 because you don't like the web interface, you have to use the web interface anyways to make sure it hasn't trapped anything it shouldn't. |
| 21:51 | < ToxicFrog> | Noooope. |
| 21:51 | < Vornicus> | suck |
| 21:51 | < ToxicFrog> | I wouldn't be so pissed about this if they offered IMAP access, because then I could work around the gaping flaws. |
| 21:51 | < ToxicFrog> | But they don't, and POP3 is only capable of retrieving the inbox. |
| 21:52 | < ToxicFrog> | So I have to periodically draw my browser over to gmail, consult my .fetchmailrc to determine what my password is, and make sure it hasn't put something in the spam trap that it shouldn't have. |
| 21:52 | < ToxicFrog> | (hint: it usually has) |
| 21:52 | < McMartin> | Impressive. |
| 21:53 | < McMartin> | I haven't had a misfile for at least nine months, possibly more. |
| 21:53 | < McMartin> | And that was from evite, so whether it's a misfile is questionable. =P |
| 21:54 | < ToxicFrog> | For added fun, despite having existed for less time and being used less than my other accounts, some of which have existed since before the internet, my gmail account gets more spam than all my addresses combined. |
| 21:54 | < ToxicFrog> | *all my other addresses |
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| 21:59 | < ToxicFrog> | So, I have the general attitude towards it as towards FF, that is, people only like it because their previous experience has been with things so bad that being punched in the face would be an improvement. |
| 22:16 | <@Chalcedon> | thats an interesting point of view TF. |
| 22:16 | <@Chalcedon> | or rather, an interesting way of wording it. |
| 22:16 | <@Chalcedon> | out of curiosity, which mail client do you use? |
| 22:17 | < ToxicFrog> | Thunderbird, which a source of constant hatred and aggravation to me. |
| 22:17 | < ToxicFrog> | However, so are Opera!Mail, Sylpheed, Pine, and all the other clients I've tried. |
| 22:17 | < ToxicFrog> | This has lead me to the unfortunate conclusion that there are no good mail clients. |
| 22:18 | <@Chalcedon> | :S |
| 22:19 | < timelady> | thunderbird with a variety of plugins is satisfactory |
| 22:19 | < timelady> | i loved mutt, but i need the gui, i have found, to be at best with email |
| 22:19 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm using MultiXpunge, and I have the GPG module sitting around somewere. |
| 22:19 | < ToxicFrog> | However, AFAIK there are no plugins that fix the issue where it randomly ceases retrieving mail until restarted. |
| 22:20 | < ToxicFrog> | Or the issue where threading is completely, horrifically broken. |
| 22:20 | < ToxicFrog> | I am in fact seriously considering trying Opera's again; I last tried it in 7.x, and it's probably improved since then. |
| 22:20 | < timelady> | i use the gpg plugin enigmail for thunderbird |
| 22:20 | < timelady> | i dont get that ToxicFrog |
| 22:21 | < ToxicFrog> | Which, the random ceasing of get, or the threading? |
| 22:21 | < ToxicFrog> | The threading appears to be because it threads based *only* on topic line, not on sender or x-thread-id or anything else. |
| 22:22 | < ToxicFrog> | So if I turn on threading, all the messages I have with a blank topic line, ranging from 1995 to last week, show up as a single, huge thread. |
| 22:23 | <@Chalcedon> | TF: I find that it usually stops retrieving mail after the net has been disconnected. That doesn't fix the problem, but might it give you an indication of when you need to restart it? (I don't know how often you get disconnected...) |
| 22:23 | < ToxicFrog> | (once every few months, if that) |
| 22:23 | < ToxicFrog> | (power outages are more common) |
| 22:25 | <@Chalcedon> | you have a power cut every few months? |
| 22:25 | <@Chalcedon> | o.O |
| 22:25 | < Vornicus> | 15:25 up 91 days, 17:02, 3 users, load averages: 3.17 3.00 2.88 |
| 22:26 | < Vornicus> | That last was, uh... I think it was me rebooting to apply some patches. |
| 22:26 | < ToxicFrog> | Chalcedon: well, the *house* doesn't. |
| 22:26 | <@Chalcedon> | but the computer does? |
| 22:26 | < ToxicFrog> | However, that's how long it takes one of my idiot housemates to forget that the circuit that's already supporting the water heater and three computers cannot, in fact, handle a hairdryer as well. |
| 22:27 | <@Chalcedon> | or the ISP? |
| 22:27 | <@Chalcedon> | ah |
| 22:27 | < ToxicFrog> | Thus tripping the circuit breaker. |
| 22:27 | <@Chalcedon> | at least you don't have fuses |
| 22:27 | < ToxicFrog> | If we had fuses we would by now be single-handedly supporting the fuse company's hookers-and-lobster fund~ |
| 22:27 | <@Chalcedon> | you have your hot water cylinder on the main house ciruit? |
| 22:27 | <@Chalcedon> | *circuit? |
| 22:27 | <@Chalcedon> | hehe |
| 22:28 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm not actually sure, but the circuit Orias is on is the same one that powers the water/laundry room. |
| 22:28 | < ToxicFrog> | I don't know if it actually powers the stuff *in* it. |
| 22:29 | < Vornicus> | the water heater? I thought stuff like that was bad to put on the same circuit as computers. |
| 22:30 | < Vornicus> | (along with large kitchen appliances and laundry room stuff) |
| 22:31 | < ToxicFrog> | I'm not sure, as I said. |
| 22:31 | <@Chalcedon> | here HW cyliners usually have their own circuit (because the power company periodically turns it off and the rate is cheaper), and the oven usually has it's own circuit, then everything else is divided up according to what the electrician installing it thought was appropriate. |
| 22:31 | < ToxicFrog> | However, I do know that whatever circuit Orias is on (1) also powers all the network hardware and (2) can't handle a hair dryer. |
| 22:32 | <@Chalcedon> | thats carrying a very heavy load. |
| 22:32 | <@Chalcedon> | (or has a really low ampage on the breaker) |
| 22:32 | < Vornicus> | eh. |
| 22:32 | < ToxicFrog> | To be fair, Orias is an SG-6285. |
| 22:32 | < ToxicFrog> | Errr, SA-6285. (6825?) |
| 22:32 | | * Chalcedon pondersate lunch |
| 22:32 | < ToxicFrog> | It sucks down a lot of powr. |
| 22:33 | <@Chalcedon> | ah |
| 22:33 | < Vornicus> | At Resmark there was a circuit that had 7-8 computers, 5 monitors, a printer, a microwave, and a toaster oven. |
| 22:33 | < Vornicus> | and a breaker that is in another office. |
| 22:33 | < ToxicFrog> | Aha! |
| 22:34 | < Vornicus> | All this, we first discovered when all of them were on at once. |
| 22:34 | < ToxicFrog> | It's a CA-6285 |
| 22:34 | < Vornicus> | heh |
| 22:34 | < ToxicFrog> | Which means it's drawing power for ten hard drives, two CPUs and nine fans. |
| 22:35 | < Vornicus> | ...bitchin |
| 22:35 | < Vornicus> | You still need to record the sound of this thing powering up. |
| 22:36 | | timelady [~romana@Nightstar-14410.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net] has quit [Quit: run away! run away!] |
| 22:37 | | * Chalcedon creates the smell of burnination in the kitchen |
| 22:38 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah. I need sound recording hwardware first, though. |
| 22:38 | <@Chalcedon> | o.O |
| 22:38 | < ToxicFrog> | (whirr...click whirr...click whirr...etc as the drives spin up one by one) |
| 22:38 | < ToxicFrog> | (it's lovely) |
| 22:39 | < Vornicus> | dude, it's a ten dollar microphone. |
| 22:39 | | * Chalcedon is tempted to comment, but refrains |
| 22:40 | < Vornicus> | It was pretty cool when the power came back on. |
| 22:40 | < ToxicFrog> | Err. |
| 22:40 | < Vornicus> | Eight computers - in three rooms - all turned on at once. |
| 22:40 | < ToxicFrog> | I am not *dragging Durandal in there* just to record it powering up. |
| 22:41 | < Vornicus> | ...oh, right, it's not in the same room as al your other crap. |
| 22:41 | < Vornicus> | Forgot that bit. |
| 22:41 | < ToxicFrog> | Yeah. I'm not going to keep it in my bedroom - y hlo that permanent hearing damage |
| 22:41 | < Vornicus> | The entire office was filled with the roar of all the fans on all the computers running at maximum speed for about three seconds. |
| 22:42 | < Vornicus> | And then fan control kicked in, and it went quiet again. |
| 22:48 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[T-2] |
| 22:50 | | You're now known as TheWatcher[zZzZ] |
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