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| 04:44 | < Vornotron> | Does anyone here know how to mount an LVM volume? |
| 04:47 | <@Reiver> | Dinner and drinks beforehand? |
| 04:59 | | * Janus meanders about with the head of Dev-Cpp on a pike. |
| 04:59 | < Vornotron> | ah, here we are. |
| 05:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | It should just be /dev/<vgname>/<lvname> |
| 05:07 | <@ToxicFrog> | And you mount it like any other block device. |
| 05:14 | < Vornotron> | mmm, knoppix did not do that for me |
| 05:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | You may need to actually enable it using the lvmtools first, if Knoppix doesn't do so automatically on booty. |
| 05:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | *boot. |
| 05:15 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or if it attempts to, but can't find the VGs. |
| 05:16 | <@ToxicFrog> | Why am I awake? |
| 05:16 | | * ToxicFrog slwwp |
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| 06:16 | < Vornotron> | ...this wouldn't be so bad if it weren't taking 20 minutes to boot an OS every time |
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| 10:55 | | * jerith ponders. |
| 10:55 | <@jerith> | Monkeyness! |
| 10:56 | <@jerith> | Any Solaris gurus in here? |
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| 17:29 | < Takyoji> | What is the purpose of constants? |
| 17:30 | < Takyoji> | I know they don't change, but whats the actual reason for using constants? |
| 17:30 | < Takyoji> | Of which variables can't do |
| 17:31 | < Takyoji> | Are they accessible from inside a function or what? |
| 17:31 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Constants are useful when you have a "magic number" that you need to use all over the plac |
| 17:31 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | or even in one place. |
| 17:33 | < Takyoji> | Also, how would I be able to get data from a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet onto MySQL? |
| 17:34 | < Takyoji> | would I have to convert it to CSV or XML or something? |
| 17:34 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Save the Excel sheet as a CSV; most SQL systems have a method of reading CSVs |
| 17:34 | < Takyoji> | oh alright |
| 17:34 | < aoanla> | Definitely not XML, which is verbose and horrible. |
| 17:34 | < Takyoji> | I forgot about that |
| 17:34 | < aoanla> | (Says the person working in a field where everything uses XML...) |
| 17:34 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | XML isn't that bad |
| 17:34 | < aoanla> | It's very... low density. |
| 17:34 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | but it's useless for talking to relational databases |
| 17:36 | < Takyoji> | otherwise, constants can be declare, then be accessed from anywhere in a script, even inside a function correct? |
| 17:36 | < Takyoji> | declared* |
| 17:36 | < aoanla> | Depends on if they're global or not / the programming language you're using. |
| 17:36 | < Takyoji> | php |
| 17:36 | < Takyoji> | I believe they are global |
| 17:37 | < aoanla> | Yes, I think they are, in PHP. |
| 17:37 | < Takyoji> | k |
| 17:39 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Constants are used for a lot of things |
| 17:39 | < Takyoji> | true |
| 17:40 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | Generally they're used whenever you throw around a number that isn't small and obvious like 1 or 2 |
| 17:40 | < Takyoji> | ah |
| 17:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | And - as a general rule, though PHP may do things differently - any global variable can be accessed from inside functions, not just constants. |
| 17:40 | <@ToxicFrog> | Otherwise what's the point? |
| 17:43 | < Takyoji> | Because, for example.. I'm working on an online store, and within the parameters for the functions I have a variable for the color scheme. So in example, to make a table the command would have to be written out like table("mysql_query","#002200","#3300FF",and so on) |
| 17:43 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | So I'd have PI = 3.1415926... and G = 6.673...E-11, and ETHERNET_FRAME_SIZE = 1500, and GREEN = 0x00FF00 |
| 17:46 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | though G would probably be in a "units" type, and GREEN would probably be an actual Color |
| 17:47 | <@ToxicFrog> | Assuming the language you're working in has such things. |
| 17:47 | <@Vornicus-Latens> | indeed |
| 17:47 | | * ToxicFrog has a sudden postscript-related thought |
| 17:48 | <@ToxicFrog> | Hmm. |
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| 18:03 | < Takyoji> | crap.. ms excel isn't creating the csv documents properly |
| 18:05 | < Takyoji> | or... I have x as y, when y should be x |
| 18:08 | < Takyoji> | grr.. how am I going to rotate it |
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| 18:41 | <@ToxicFrog> | Takyoji: with awk? |
| 18:41 | < Takyoji> | hmm? |
| 18:42 | < Takyoji> | I'm still trying to transfer data over to mysql |
| 18:42 | < Takyoji> | and I think I have it the wrong way |
| 18:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, you mentioned. |
| 18:42 | < Takyoji> | Where the columns should actually be rows |
| 18:42 | < Takyoji> | I believe |
| 18:42 | <@ToxicFrog> | There's no fast operation in excel to fix this? |
| 18:42 | < Takyoji> | since it isn't inserting in MySQL properly |
| 18:42 | <@Vornicus> | what's youre data look like? |
| 18:43 | <@Vornicus> | There /is/ a fast operation in Excel to fix data direction - copy, edit->paste special, turn on "transpose" |
| 18:44 | < Takyoji> | Oh thanks |
| 18:47 | < Takyoji> | no, I suppose it made it worse.. |
| 18:47 | <@Vornicus> | ? |
| 18:47 | <@Vornicus> | what's your data look like? |
| 18:47 | < Takyoji> | I suppose I had the original way correct |
| 18:47 | < Takyoji> | it also isn't delimiting properly |
| 18:48 | <@Vornicus> | show us |
| 18:48 | < Takyoji> | holdon |
| 18:49 | < Takyoji> | in the name column of row 1 it says "name,Keite Davis,Linda Hanson,Rob Rainey,Jim Dietz,Stan Gilman,Mitchell Rhodes,Kelly Ellis,Tom Ohnstad,Lisa Froseth,Steve VanNatta?,Loren Malling,Mike & Jane Swanson,Dave & Kathy Jensen,Tom & Karen Miller,Scott Schaible,Shelli & Brent Nelson" |
| 18:50 | < Takyoji> | holdon, I'll just get a pic |
| 18:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | ...why not just pastebin the csv? |
| 18:52 | < Takyoji> | http://aquaeden.com/screenshot.jpg |
| 18:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | ... |
| 18:52 | < Takyoji> | whats the link for the paste website? |
| 18:52 | | * ToxicFrog points at the topic |
| 18:53 | <@Vornicus> | Okay, you need to open your data in Excel, paste special->transpose it, and then you'll have it in the right order |
| 18:57 | < Takyoji> | then its screwed up the other way |
| 18:57 | <@Vornicus> | "the other way"? |
| 18:58 | < Takyoji> | one second |
| 18:58 | <@Vornicus> | ...show us the thing you're using to import the CSV data |
| 18:59 | < Takyoji> | you mean my csv file? |
| 18:59 | <@Vornicus> | no |
| 18:59 | < Takyoji> | erm.. for importing it I'm using phpmyadmin |
| 18:59 | <@Vornicus> | aha |
| 18:59 | < Takyoji> | and this is what I mean by 'the other way': http://aquaeden.com/screenshot.jpg |
| 19:00 | < Takyoji> | And I have to use the "CSV using LOAD DATA" option because the "CSV" version doesn't work |
| 19:01 | < Takyoji> | because it gives me an error |
| 19:01 | <@Vornicus> | what error? |
| 19:02 | < Takyoji> | Invalid field count in CSV input on line 1. |
| 19:02 | < Takyoji> | line 1 is "name,city,email,existing_pond,pond_tour,equipment_newsletter,plants_newsletter, notes" |
| 19:02 | <@Vornicus> | Show me your table schema, and a full line of data in the pastebin |
| 19:03 | < Takyoji> | what is the link for pastebin? |
| 19:03 | <@Vornicus> | it's in the topic |
| 19:03 | < Takyoji> | oh god I'm blind |
| 19:06 | < Takyoji> | http://pastie.caboo.se/23535 |
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| 19:06 | < Takyoji> | its only delimiting by commas |
| 19:06 | < Takyoji> | and I think myswl wants commas and semicolons |
| 19:06 | < Takyoji> | mysql* |
| 19:07 | <@Vornicus> | Show me a the create table statement for the table you're dumping it into. |
| 19:09 | < Takyoji> | I'm using phpMyAdmin, and its not telling me the query since its errorous |
| 19:09 | <@Vornicus> | NOt the select statement |
| 19:09 | <@Vornicus> | the create statement |
| 19:09 | <@Vornicus> | or, equivalently, what phpMyAdmin says the names of the columns are |
| 19:09 | < Takyoji> | oh the table? |
| 19:09 | <@Vornicus> | yes |
| 19:10 | < Takyoji> | http://pastie.caboo.se/23536 |
| 19:12 | <@Vornicus> | ...hm |
| 19:12 | < Takyoji> | I still believe its a problem with the CSV |
| 19:14 | <@Vornicus> | It appears to want you to fill in the index column as well for some reason |
| 19:15 | < Takyoji> | its just auto-incremental.. |
| 19:15 | <@Vornicus> | I know |
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| 23:45 | < Janus> | ... I think I broke it. |
| 23:46 | < GeoTube> | No, that was TheWatcher falling asleep on it. |
| 23:46 | < GeoTube> | and when did you appear? |
| 23:46 | < GeoTube> | ahh, 5 hours ago.. |
| 23:47 | < Janus> | --? |
| 23:49 | < Janus> | Anywho, I was attempting to switch to Eclipse from Dev-Cpp... but couldn't figure out how to get it out of Java mode... then I made a leap to Visual C++, which complains about some "No : before {" in the cstdin header. |
| 23:50 | < MyCatOwnz> | ...three IDEs all running simultaneously on one machine. |
| 23:50 | < Janus> | Now, I have /no/ IDE at all... |
| 23:50 | < Janus> | They weren't running at the same time... though I doubt they enjoy eachother's company. |
| 23:51 | < MyCatOwnz> | What the Hell you runnin' there, Janus? An eight-way Opteron box with thirty two gigs of RAM? |
| 23:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Umm. |
| 23:51 | <@ToxicFrog> | Does Eclipse /have/ a non-Java mode? |
| 23:51 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: yes. It's called CDT. |
| 23:51 | < Janus> | It sounds like such an afterthought though... |
| 23:52 | < MyCatOwnz> | From what I've heard and seen (from IBM's own people, no less), it's pretty painful. |
| 23:52 | <@McMartin> | Well, it is an afterthought. |
| 23:52 | <@ToxicFrog> | And visual C++, AFAIK, will only use the MS build tools. |
| 23:52 | <@McMartin> | I believe that's not actually true, but you need some wizardry to get around it. |
| 23:53 | <@McMartin> | Most of Eclipse's power hinges on the ability to do on-the-fly parsing of the target language, etc., which is Work (tm) and which was already done for Java, so. |
| 23:53 | <@McMartin> | But there are plugins for, like, Yacc equivalents and stuff. |
| 23:54 | < Janus> | Visual C++ seemed like such a nice, pretty IDE with plenty of nifty toys. It allows, supposed, one to use Ming32, but I'll be darned if I know the command line whatevers to make it happen. |
| 23:54 | <@ToxicFrog> | Now that would be cool. An editor that allows you feed it syntactical as well as lexical definitions. |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | TF: That's what Eclipse has, though it's more of a "DOM based on the Source Code", as I understand it |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | That's how it can do all the refactoring thingies. |
| 23:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Yes, but can you add to it without, eg, rebuilding the entire editor? |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | Janus: Earlier versions of MSDev let you set the beginning of the compile command to anything you wanted. |
| 23:55 | <@ToxicFrog> | Or does it only work with its builtin ones? |
| 23:55 | <@McMartin> | Plugins ftw, sir. |
| 23:56 | <@McMartin> | It's Java, remember? Linking a dynamic library in is a matter of saying "This class is named foo.bar.baz, and it implements your Plugin Interface" |
| 23:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | Aah, point. |
| 23:56 | <@McMartin> | And even that latter part is optional. |
| 23:56 | <@ToxicFrog> | This is still <<<<<< writing the regexes and CFG and going "here is your language spec, go forth and colorize" |
| 23:57 | <@McMartin> | The regexes part should be eminently doable in just about anything, I'd think. |
| 23:57 | <@McMartin> | Or at least, "here is your regexes, write me a plugin" |
| 23:58 | <@ToxicFrog> | Mainly, I am thinking of like NEdit, where you can add new languages by describing the lexis with regexes, only with support for CFG-defined syntax as well as regex-defined lexis. |
| 23:58 | <@McMartin> | Yeah. The regexes part is fairly easy, I'd think. |
| 23:58 | <@McMartin> | And you could probably do classloader jackassery in Eclipse to do the same thing. |
| 23:58 | | * ToxicFrog nods |
| 23:59 | <@ToxicFrog> | Although I've pretty much abandoned my efforts to do the regex thing in SciTE. |
| 23:59 | <@McMartin> | But it would be classloader jackassery, and when all is said and done, it would be nicer to actually just have a "Here's your Jarfile for a plugin for editing Spellcast logs" or whatever. |
| 23:59 | <@McMartin> | How that file is made is just an implementation detail |
| 23:59 | | * Janus opens wikipedia. |
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