| --- Log opened Wed Nov 08 00:00:04 2006 |
| --- Day changed Wed Nov 08 2006 |
| 00:00 | <@Stephenie> | the stuff you feed to a rat to kill it? |
| 00:00 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: a WM on Linux. |
| 00:00 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: the user interface is basically copied from GNU screen. |
| 00:00 | < MyCatOwnz> | i.e. it has none. |
| 00:00 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 00:01 | | * ToxicFrog likes screen, but structuring an entire WM around is...actually not quite so bad an idea as it appears at first glance. |
| 00:01 | < MyCatOwnz> | Keyboard-only, only really supports having windows sized to fullscreen. |
| 00:01 | < ToxicFrog> | Wait, no mouse support at all? |
| 00:01 | < ToxicFrog> | Ok, that's bad. |
| 00:01 | < MyCatOwnz> | It's beautiful for coding in vim or whatever, but it doesn't work at all with some programs such as Xpaint and GIMP. |
| 00:02 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: heh. Literally, there is nothing to click on =) |
| 00:02 | | * ToxicFrog kind of relies on the mouse for little things like web browsing and copypaste. |
| 00:02 | < MyCatOwnz> | Eh? Doesn't affect your use of the mouse within programs, it's just that the *window manager* is entirely keyboard-driven. |
| 00:03 | < Janus> | Eww... no wonder that wouldn't work with GIMP. |
| 00:03 | < ToxicFrog> | Aah. |
| 00:03 | < MyCatOwnz> | e.g. since I've set the escape sequence to ^S on my machine, it goes like so: ^Sw to show a list of open windows, ^S[0-9] to flick to a numbered window, ^Sn and ^Sp to go to next and previous windows, respectively... |
| 00:04 | < ToxicFrog> | So it doesn't work on things that don't run fullscreen. |
| 00:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | Precisely. It forces 99.95% of X11 programs to resize themselves to take the full screen. |
| 00:04 | < ToxicFrog> | Or rather, things that require window decoration adjustment. |
| 00:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | And I mean *forces*. As in, you can get glxgears to run at 1024x768 =) |
| 00:05 | < ToxicFrog> | That's not hard. |
| 00:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: yep. Anything which has multiple toolbars/floating windows and so on, like the GIMP, doesn't work. |
| 00:06 | | * Janus ponders getting photoshop over GIMP... |
| 00:19 | < Takyoji> | hopefully the bish of this page will be screwed over by search engines spam report service will screw him over for hiding text of keywords on the bottom: http://www.metrowestwatergardendesigns.com/AboutUs.aspx |
| 00:22 | < Takyoji> | they have the repetive hidden keywords on every one of their pages |
| 00:22 | <@Vornicus> | so, um |
| 00:22 | <@Vornicus> | how the heck do they expect people to remember their damn domain name? |
| 00:23 | <@McMartin> | Takyoji: Isn't that what meta tags are for? |
| 00:23 | < MyCatOwnz> | McMartin: except that the people who write search engines have *long* since learned to ignore meta tags. |
| 00:23 | < Takyoji> | Meta tags aren't even viewed anymore by search engines because of disorderly conduct by some people |
| 00:24 | < MyCatOwnz> | About the only meta tags that're actually still useful these days are the ones relating to character encoding. |
| 00:24 | <@Vornicus> | meta refresh! |
| 00:30 | < Takyoji> | And see.. that person is also apart of the IPPCA of which I was talking about earlier, and they have a forum. And that guy actually has a high a position in the IPPCA, so it'll be funny to watch this guy possibly announce that his websites been report for spam and that he's mad about it on the forum |
| 00:31 | < Takyoji> | But it'll probably be like 7 days till the spam requests are read |
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| 00:41 | < Takyoji> | got disconnected? |
| 00:41 | < MyCatOwnz> | This internet connection is slightly over-specced. |
| 00:42 | | * ToxicFrog eyes rtorrent and/or Team Fedora. |
| 00:42 | < MyCatOwnz> | Hence it's either periodically disconnecting or it's just dropping the PING/PONG packets. |
| 00:42 | < MyCatOwnz> | I'm not entirely sure which. |
| 00:42 | < ToxicFrog> | rtorrent swears that the Fedora 6 DVD download .torrent is not in fact a valid torrent descriptor. |
| 00:42 | < ToxicFrog> | MCO: <-- MyCatOwnz has quit (Connection reset by peer) |
| 00:42 | < ToxicFrog> | That's not a ping timeout. |
| 00:43 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: so it's losing the connection. Brillant. |
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| 00:51 | < TakyojiClone> | crap... |
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| 01:02 | < TakyojiClone> | Sorry to keep bringing my crappy thoughts up. BUT, the moron company that made that website with the repetitive words did the same thing on their website! WTF!! http://www.frostdatasystems.com/ |
| 01:02 | < TakyojiClone> | heh "Search Engine Optimization Services" my ass |
| 01:02 | < TakyojiClone> | argH! |
| 01:02 | < TakyojiClone> | Why?! Why are people such idoits?! |
| 01:03 | < MyCatOwnz> | Because the a) don't understand google and b) hired a bunch of SEO consultants. |
| 01:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | s/the/they |
| 01:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | DARN MY TYPING! DARN IT TO HECK! |
| 01:05 | < TakyojiClone> | and actually, its just the same person |
| 01:06 | < TakyojiClone> | it's like.. a high school drop-out years later, contracting ponds, and now calls himself a webdesign company as well |
| 01:07 | < TakyojiClone> | the website look like crap |
| 01:07 | < TakyojiClone> | looks* |
| 01:07 | < ToxicFrog> | SEO? |
| 01:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | Search Engine Optimi[sz]ation. |
| 01:09 | < MyCatOwnz> | aka "you give us lots of money, we will attempt to fool Google into putting your site at the top of the search rankings." |
| 01:09 | < TakyojiClone> | exactly |
| 01:09 | < TakyojiClone> | I'd love to see the day that this guy dies |
| 01:09 | < MyCatOwnz> | A lot of wiki and blog spamming is done by such people on behalf of drug & gambling sites. |
| 01:10 | < MyCatOwnz> | e.g. they'll write a bot to search for mediawiki sites, then have it edit in several hundred links to the porn site du jour, in order to increase its pagerank score. |
| 01:11 | < Janus> | The internet is a battle zone! |
| 01:12 | < TakyojiClone> | exactly |
| 01:12 | | * Janus hums the theme of Top Gun everytime he googles. |
| 01:12 | < TakyojiClone> | I'm to the point where I'm about to throw thigns against the wall if anything even more stupid happens |
| 01:13 | < MyCatOwnz> | ! |
| 01:13 | < MyCatOwnz> | Some person decided to throw stuff against a wall if stupid stuff happened! |
| 01:13 | < MyCatOwnz> | That happened and it's kinda irrational and thus stupid! |
| 01:13 | < TakyojiClone> | exactly |
| 01:13 | < TakyojiClone> | *throws things* |
| 01:13 | < MyCatOwnz> | Are you going to decorate your walls at high velocity now? |
| 01:13 | < TakyojiClone> | xD yes |
| 01:19 | < TakyojiClone> | so, this guy should now recieve 6 spam complaints |
| 01:19 | < TakyojiClone> | 3 for each website |
| 01:19 | < TakyojiClone> | from Yahoo, MSN, and Google |
| 01:21 | < MyCatOwnz> | You filled in a pile of complaint forms? |
| 01:21 | < TakyojiClone> | yep |
| 01:22 | < TakyojiClone> | to the search engines |
| 01:22 | < TakyojiClone> | as reporting spam |
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| 01:22 | < TakyojiClone> | and spam case is of hiding random keywords on the bottom |
| 01:23 | < TakyojiClone> | thank god there's spam reporting forms |
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| 01:23 | < TakyojiClone> | Otherwise I would have punched a hole through the wall by now |
| 01:23 | < MyCatOwnz> | Dude, chill. |
| 01:24 | < TakyojiClone> | I've just got a major compulsive disorder with internet idoits and horrible grammar |
| 01:26 | < MyCatOwnz> | Okay, so get (in order of decreasing preference): a girlfriend, a job and/or hobby, a Starcraft addiction or a set of Pokémon cards. |
| 01:26 | < MyCatOwnz> | Problem solved. |
| 01:28 | < TakyojiClone> | xD pokemon cards.. I haven't seen that in ages |
| 01:28 | < TakyojiClone> | and I have a job |
| 01:28 | < TakyojiClone> | or do you mean all of them? ;P |
| 01:28 | < MyCatOwnz> | Well, if you have a job, get a hobby too, then. |
| 01:29 | < TakyojiClone> | I've got multiple |
| 01:30 | < TakyojiClone> | Anywway.. |
| 01:30 | < TakyojiClone> | So the only way to get Microsoft IIS is if you purchase a Windows XP Pro or if you just buy it or something? |
| 01:31 | < TakyojiClone> | because I'm quite curious to learn how to code in ASP |
| 01:32 | < MyCatOwnz> | No clue. Ask an ASP coder. |
| 01:33 | <@McMartin> | Just use PHP or JSP or something instead, really~ |
| 01:33 | <@McMartin> | Or, for that matter, Perl and Python and Ruby CGI modules. |
| 01:33 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: Apache with CGI is cheaper. |
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| 01:33 | < MyCatOwnz> | Er, TakyojiClone, not ToxicFrog. Sorry, again. |
| 01:35 | < ToxicFrog> | Also, I think there's an ASP terp for Linux. |
| 01:35 | < ToxicFrog> | At least, my router uses ASP-based pages (or so claims the file extensions) and it runs Linux. |
| 01:36 | < TakyojiClone> | ahh |
| 01:36 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: is ASP something vaguely related to .Net? Because Mono comes to mind, here. |
| 01:37 | < TakyojiClone> | I know PHP qould be better, but its just something more to learn |
| 01:37 | <@McMartin> | Honestly, if you already know PHP, I'd suggest Python as the Next Thing To Learn, just so you have a fully general-purpose language in your weapons cache |
| 01:38 | < TakyojiClone> | aahh k |
| 01:38 | <@McMartin> | (http://www.python.org having free downloads/tutorials/reference materials) |
| 01:39 | < Janus> | Python is a very powerful language to pick up early on. |
| 01:39 | < TakyojiClone> | ahh |
| 01:39 | < TakyojiClone> | I'll be back |
| 01:39 | <@McMartin> | It's missing a few things that I liked about the languages I cut my teeth on. I've been meaning to add them as an extension as one of my low-priority projects |
| 01:42 | <@Vornicus> | What is it missing? |
| 01:44 | < ToxicFrog> | MCO: all I know about ASP is that it is a language for writing CGI scripts in that is usually, but not always, associated with IIS.; |
| 01:44 | <@McMartin> | Cheap and easy interactive graphics a la GW-BASIC. |
| 01:45 | < ToxicFrog> | McMartin: once you publish the API for that and I finish luaSDL, I might write an API wrapper on top of it that's compatible~ |
| 01:45 | <@McMartin> | So one of my "I should do this" projects is a Python read-eval-print loop that lives inside a big old SDL window. |
| 01:45 | < ToxicFrog> | ...as opposed to just spawning a seperate window? |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | Yes, that changes the feel of things. |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | Also, pygame already exists, if you just want that. |
| 01:46 | | * ToxicFrog is still trying to get the "print" part of REPL working for Lua. The language really isn't designed for it, I may need terp hacking ;.; |
| 01:46 | <@McMartin> | Heh |
| 01:47 | < ToxicFrog> | Mainly because things like "1+1" are not, in fact, valid Lua code. |
| 01:47 | < ToxicFrog> | And I can't wrap every line in print() because as soon as someone types "a=1" it barfs. |
| 01:48 | < MyCatOwnz> | Break it into statements, wrap any that don't contain variables in print()? |
| 01:50 | < ToxicFrog> | It's not that it contains variables. |
| 01:50 | < ToxicFrog> | It's that assignments, unlike in C, don't have values. |
| 01:50 | <@Vornicus> | It's that it contains assignment. |
| 01:50 | < ToxicFrog> | print(a) is valid. print(a == 1) is valid. print(a = 1) is a syntax error. |
| 01:50 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: so you can't do (a = (b = c)) in Lua? |
| 01:50 | < ToxicFrog> | Correct. |
| 01:51 | < Janus> | Eww, that would be a problem. |
| 01:51 | < MyCatOwnz> | Snap. |
| 01:51 | < ToxicFrog> | And to be perfectly honest, I've never noticed the lack. |
| 01:51 | < MyCatOwnz> | C code is prettier ;) |
| 01:51 | < MyCatOwnz> | Alternative response: "except for now, eh?" |
| 01:51 | < ToxicFrog> | The number of times that I've had two variables in Lua that had to be initialized to the same value at the same place and /weren't/ implicitly initialized by loop entry or something is, as far as I can remember, 0. |
| 01:52 | < Janus> | I use it to call a function, and check it's output in the same breadth. |
| 01:52 | < ToxicFrog> | (well, two or more) |
| 01:52 | < ToxicFrog> | Janus: as in, if((a = foo()) == bar)? |
| 01:52 | < ToxicFrog> | MCO: aah, but in C, can you do: a,b,c = 1,2,3; |
| 01:53 | < ToxicFrog> | (hint: no) |
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| 01:54 | < Janus> | Yes. It's actually used to see if the value changes or not, where "bar = a;" in a statement prior to. |
| 01:55 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: well, kinda, but it won't mean anything even *resembling* the same thing =) |
| 01:55 | < ToxicFrog> | MCO: I'm fairly sure that's a parse error... |
| 01:55 | | * ToxicFrog figures out how to do [[for variable-list in table]] in lua. It's surprisingly simple and I should have thought of it earlier. |
| 01:55 | < MyCatOwnz> | There *is* a comma operator, though the rules for it are rather arcane and complicated. I wouldn't be surprised if that parsed. |
| 01:56 | < ToxicFrog> | ...hmm. Ok, it's not as simple as I expected. |
| 01:57 | < ToxicFrog> | ...since when does C have a comma operator? What's its natural meaning? |
| 01:57 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: since a long time ago. And I'll have to look it up, 'cuz it's almost never used by anyone, ever. |
| 01:58 | < MyCatOwnz> | I think it's in there pretty much just to provide something to point at (well at least we don't make you learn that over there!) whenever people whine about the ternary operator. |
| 01:59 | < ToxicFrog> | Hey, I like the ternary conditional. |
| 01:59 | < MyCatOwnz> | As do I. |
| 01:59 | | * ToxicFrog looks it up. |
| 02:00 | | * Janus tries to think of where he's seen 'ternary' before... |
| 02:00 | < ToxicFrog> | Aha. It is, in fact, only used in for loops and function calls. |
| 02:00 | < ToxicFrog> | I did not realized it was considered an operator in its own right rather than a useful terminal in the grammar. |
| 02:00 | <@McMartin> | ternary = Base 3. |
| 02:00 | < MyCatOwnz> | Janus: it means that that operator has three operands, in this context. |
| 02:00 | <@McMartin> | But ?: is "the ternary operator" because it takes three expressions. |
| 02:01 | < Janus> | That's where, the ?: business. |
| 02:02 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: er, it *does* have a use besides loops and function calls. |
| 02:03 | < ToxicFrog> | MCO: where? |
| 02:03 | < ToxicFrog> | Janus: that is in fact what we're discussing. |
| 02:03 | < Janus> | It's nice for determining absolute value, though that's the only time I've ever used it in truth. |
| 02:03 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: http://pastebin.com/819428 for an example |
| 02:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: according to Bruce Eckel's book (and the GCC compiler, it seems), it acts as a seperator for expressions and returns the value of the *last* expression in the list. |
| 02:04 | < ToxicFrog> | ...ooookay. |
| 02:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | E.g. a = expr1,expr2,expr3,expr4; /* will set a to the value of expr4 */ |
| 02:04 | < ToxicFrog> | So that code is basically equivalent to: ++b; a = b+c; |
| 02:04 | < ToxicFrog> | This sounds like an IOCCC entry waiting to happen. |
| 02:04 | < MyCatOwnz> | Nope. The *last* expression in the list. |
| 02:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | Oh fuck yes. |
| 02:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | That example outputs the number five. |
| 02:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Yes, and the last expression in the list is b+c! |
| 02:05 | < ToxicFrog> | ...err. |
| 02:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | And yes, this is ideal IOCCC bait. |
| 02:05 | < ToxicFrog> | c+d. |
| 02:05 | < ToxicFrog> | Sorry. |
| 02:05 | < MyCatOwnz> | Bruce Eckel's words: "In general, it's best to avoid using the comma as anything other than a separator, since people are not used to seeing it as an operator." |
| 02:06 | < MyCatOwnz> | I honestly cannot think of any possible use of the comma operator except for if all the preceeding expressions have side effects and you want to hurt people who attempt to read your code. |
| 02:06 | < ToxicFrog> | (random twisted idea: put a hidden longjmp() in a loop initializer~) |
| 02:06 | < ToxicFrog> | (or loop conditional, possibly abusing short-circuit evaluation so it doesn't go off the first time) |
| 02:07 | < MyCatOwnz> | BWHAAHAHAHAH! |
| 02:07 | < MyCatOwnz> | I lol'd. You rock. |
| 02:07 | < MyCatOwnz> | Anyway, I'm going to use this as an excuse to liberally sprinkle comma operators all over my code since I now know how it works. |
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| 02:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | And when I say, "code," I'm referring to coursework, hehehehehehe. |
| 02:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | Good luck, Chalcy! |
| 02:08 | < ChalcyWork> | thanks :) |
| 02:08 | < MyCatOwnz> | ToxicFrog: I'm not entirely sure that I understand setjmp() and longjmp(). |
| 02:09 | < MyCatOwnz> | I mean, how nicely (or otherwise) do they play with changes in the preceeding stack? |
| 02:09 | < MyCatOwnz> | Is it illegal to longjmp() back to a function that I've already return()'d from? |
| 02:10 | < ToxicFrog> | I /think/ that's a very bad idea, but I've never tried it. |
| 02:11 | < ToxicFrog> | I /know/ it's a bad idea in SGOS, which basically just saves all the registers including the stack pointer and returns it as a struct. |
| 02:11 | < ToxicFrog> | But we kind of rolled our own there. |
| 02:11 | < MyCatOwnz> | Well, I can't accuse you of having much other choice, since you wrote your own damn OS from the ground up ^_^ |
| 02:12 | < ToxicFrog> | So longjmping down instead of up will either (a) jump you into uninitialized stack, crashing the system, or (b) jump you into one function's code with another function's stack frame (or, more likely, halfway through another function's stack frame), crashing the system. |
| 02:12 | < ToxicFrog> | And now, dinner. |
| 02:12 | < MyCatOwnz> | Have fun! |
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| 02:37 | < TakyojiClone> | night folks |
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| 03:14 | < Annath> | hmm, does anyone here know C#? |
| 03:14 | < Annath> | Visual Studio is giving me BS. >_> |
| 03:14 | < Vornicus> | chalain wishes he didn't. |
| 03:16 | < Annath> | VS is telling me to use a class that doesn't exist. >_> |
| 03:23 | < ToxicFrog> | It is subtly hinting that you shouldn't be using C#~ |
| 03:24 | < Annath> | xD |
| 03:24 | < Annath> | I like C#. :D |
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| 03:29 | < Annath> | welp, it's time for Futurama, which takes presedence over whatever the hell I'm doing right now. AFK! :D |
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| 18:50 | | * AnnoDomini raises an eyebrow at his bot being here. |
| 18:50 | | * Vornicus coats Anno, and his bot, in bling. |
| 18:50 | < AnnoDomini> | Ew. |
| 18:50 | < KarmaBot> | Ew. |
| 18:51 | < AnnoDomini> | ;p |
| 18:51 | | * AnnoDomini chuckles at that picture in the topic. :) |
| 18:52 | <@Vornicus> | pi made that |
| 18:53 | < AnnoDomini> | Well, yeah. There's his signature there. |
| 18:53 | < AnnoDomini> | In the corner of the first panel. |
| 18:57 | <@Vornicus> | yes |
| 18:59 | < AnnoDomini> | Hmm. I am unfamiliar with Emacs. It's some kind of fancy text editor/programming tool, I gather? |
| 19:03 | <@Vornicus> | It is the be-all and end-all of text editors. |
| 19:03 | <@Vornicus> | It's TOo Freaking Big, and it ignores any and alluser interface design considerations. |
| 19:04 | < AnnoDomini> | Oh, really? Ease of use expended for the benefit of functionality? |
| 19:10 | <@Vornicus> | Ease of use expended for no visible reason, imo. |
| 19:18 | < AnnoDomini> | Ah. |
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| 21:09 | < EvilDarkLord> | Has anyone who is awake, more or less sane, and watching this message used Ruby on Rails enough to tell me if it's worth learning? |
| 21:13 | <@Vornicus> | I dislike RoR because there's a lot of Fscking Magic in it. |
| 21:14 | <@Vornicus> | But I haven't used it much, and depending on your task it may be the right tool. |
| 21:16 | <@Vornicus> | Oggy knows stuff about it; if you can hunt him down, he'll evangelize until the cows come home. |
| 21:17 | < EvilDarkLord> | Who is this Oggy? I fail to remember his presence here. |
| 21:19 | <@Vornicus> | Oggy/Ogredude is a founder of NIghtstar and a web designer. |
| 21:20 | < EvilDarkLord> | Gaspe. Does he hang around here or do I have to go to the trouble of typing /query Ogredude ? |
| 21:21 | <@Vornicus> | I've seen him in here once or twice. |
| 21:21 | <@Vornicus> | Your best bet is probably to hang out in #nightstar_bar |
| 22:02 | < Stephenie> | What is the nightstar bar? |
| 22:04 | <@Vornicus> | it's the official chet channel of nightstar |
| 22:04 | <@Vornicus> | chat |
| 22:04 | <@Vornicus> | official "generic" one anyway |
| 22:11 | < Stephenie> | Thank you :) |
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| 22:50 | < MyCatOwnz> | 'Scuse please, I have a stupid question. |
| 22:51 | < MyCatOwnz> | Does anyone know offhand how to get GCC to compile different code under different architectures? |
| 22:51 | <@Vornicus> | There are certain constants #defined for different architectures. |
| 22:52 | < MyCatOwnz> | I'm thinking of something like a big ifdef block: ifdef ARCH_I386 /* first algorithm */ #else */alternative algorithm */, lah. |
| 22:52 | < MyCatOwnz> | Vornicus: do you know where I'd be able to look them up? |
| 22:53 | <@Vornicus> | __POWERPC__ I think is one such creature; there's lots, for processors, for individual hardware configurations, for operating systems. I don't know what they are or where to find them. |
| 22:53 | <@Vornicus> | There might be a pile of them in the gcc or glibc docs. |
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