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| 00:23 | <@Azash> | http://4walled.cc/src/14/147899575409b1182ea95321350de207.jpg |
| 00:36 | <@Reiv> | What. |
| 00:39 | <@Azash> | I don't presume to understand |
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| 01:33 | <@celticminstrel> | Huh, github inexplicably changed again? |
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| 03:51 | < [R]> | It's the Facebook of Git |
| 03:55 | < [R]> | Heh, that image reminds me of ricers. |
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| 11:33 | <~Vornicus> | arg. Code needs organizing. Once it's organized I get to go fast again but until it is, I'm stuck in I Can't Organize Code For Shit land. |
| 11:54 | | * TheWatcher patpats Vorn |
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| 11:55 | <@TheWatcher> | Second hardest problem in CS, that right there. |
| 11:55 | <~Vornicus> | Thought that was cache coherency |
| 11:55 | <@Shiz> | no, it's off-by-one errors |
| 11:56 | < Syka> | no it's copying strings4Wââ#bââââXâ9°) |
| 11:57 | <~Vornicus> | Only in C, syka |
| 11:57 | <@TheWatcher> | First: Naming Things. Second: Organising Things. Third: understanding why people still use COBOL. |
| 11:58 | <@Shiz> | http://txt.shiz.me/NzJjNGM3 |
| 11:58 | | * Shiz facepalms |
| 12:02 | <~Vornicus> | Three is the number you shall count, and the number of the counting shall be three |
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| 12:38 | <@Azash> | Shiz: I give it a 5/3 |
| 12:41 | <@Tarinaky> | I think the person sat next to me either smells of shit or is farting constantly. |
| 12:41 | <@Tarinaky> | HALP |
| 12:44 | | * Tamber hands Tarinaky a book of matches. |
| 12:44 | <@Tarinaky> | And people complaina bout CS students. |
| 12:44 | <@Tarinaky> | Maths are the worst. D: |
| 12:47 | <@Tarinaky> | Fuck me. It's like a shit factory here. |
| 12:48 | <@Tarinaky> | I feel like I'm in a brown forest full of freshly lain logs. |
| 12:53 | < abudhabi_> | dareyouentermymagicalrealm.jpg |
| 12:58 | <@Tarinaky> | Stinking Cloud. |
| 13:02 | <@Tarinaky> | I think it might actually be his breath. |
| 13:02 | <@Tarinaky> | I caught myself recoiling as he was sighing out. |
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| 18:03 | <@Azash> | http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/securitymonkey/the-worlds-worst-penetration-test-rep ort-by-scumbagpentester-58747 |
| 18:03 | <@Azash> | "MySQL configured to allow connections from 127.0.0.1. Recommend configuration change to not allow remote connections." |
| 18:06 | <@Tamber> | Haaa |
| 18:07 | <@Tamber> | This is the "I can run nmap! Hurr durr, I am pentestr!" definition of "pentester", right? |
| 18:09 | < ErikMesoy> | Not even that. |
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| 18:09 | < ErikMesoy> | "I can look over the shoulder of a guy who uses nmap and copy his reports!" |
| 19:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | "If you like living on the edge you can try building the emulator on a big endian machine, and you will get an emulation of a big endian 8086, a rather bizarre and somewhat useless beast." |
| 19:35 | <&McMartin> | It's kind of impressive how that entry didn't *win* the IOCC. |
| 19:36 | <&McMartin> | (Though given what *did* win I think this is fair) |
| 19:37 | <&ToxicFrog> | I haven't gotten to that yet. |
| 19:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh wait yes I did - cable2, right? |
| 19:38 | <&ToxicFrog> | Quick brown fox? |
| 19:38 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 19:38 | <&McMartin> | The one with a novel OCR algorithm |
| 19:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think as a program that one is less impressive, but the research aspect is pretty neat. |
| 19:40 | <&ToxicFrog> | I eagerly await the paper. |
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| 22:30 | <@Reiv> | Linkme these heathens |
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| 22:52 | <@simon_> | what are some good introductory programming paradigms? |
| 22:53 | <@simon_> | currently at my uni, they teach first FP and then OOP/OOD. |
| 22:53 | <@simon_> | unfortunately, the 7-week OOP+D course is insanely ambitious considering people's skill levels. |
| 22:53 | <@Azash> | There aren't too many common ones |
| 22:54 | <@simon_> | Azash, common ones? |
| 22:54 | <@Azash> | functional, imperative, OOP and the gray zones between each |
| 22:54 | <@simon_> | well, eyah. |
| 22:54 | <@simon_> | s/eyah/yeah/ |
| 22:54 | <@Azash> | Also, it seems like moving from FP to imperative would be much more of a mindscrew than the other way around |
| 22:55 | <@simon_> | so having been an OOP+D TA once and having seen the majority of people walk away without any sense of design patterns *or* a good Java foundation, I'd settle with either one. |
| 22:55 | <@simon_> | Azash, I don't think so. |
| 22:56 | <@simon_> | Azash, in fact, those who come with imperative knowledge mess up FP badly by trying to update variables by overwriting local bindings. |
| 22:57 | <@simon_> | Azash, it is a little more rare, in my experience, that people mess up with the sudden ability of being able to mutate things. common among mathematics students who take OOP+D as an elective course, they tend to want to write "this = ..." at some point, overwriting some object with a new copy of itself ;) |
| 22:58 | <@simon_> | also, isn't it generally trendy to make immutable objects in OOP in a lot of cases? |
| 23:00 | <@simon_> | Azash, would you rather teach imperative programming before OOP? is the term "structured programming" more of a historic relic, or is it a good way to introduce modular designs without digging too deep into OOD? |
| 23:01 | <@Azash> | I would, just on a personal hunch that I can't explain very well |
| 23:02 | <@simon_> | I'm going on a hunch as well. |
| 23:03 | <@simon_> | (and some horrible experiences with people's inability to comprehend design patterns after 4 weeks of Java) |
| 23:15 | <@Azash> | To me, it mainly feels like concepts FP relies on are better expanded into from an imperative base |
| 23:15 | <@Azash> | eg. not dropping people into recursion before they understand function calls and "normal" for-loops |
| 23:15 | <@Namegduf> | If you try to write in an imperative language in a functional style and only go to mutable when you need to, it might be slow but it will probably be maintainable and not too buggy. |
| 23:16 | <@Namegduf> | If you try to write in a functional language in imperative style you're going to end up confused. |
| 23:16 | <@Azash> | on a non-serious note I also fear that people who start with FP would try to write a naive recursive fibonacci algorithm in an imperative language |
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