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| 10:35 | <@Tarinaky> | Remind me, how do I inspect the contents of a package in Aptitude? |
| 10:35 | <@Tarinaky> | Show just gives me descriptive information |
| 10:36 | <@Tarinaky> | I want to know what binaries a package has. |
| 10:36 | <@Shiz> | you don't use aptitude, but dpkg |
| 10:36 | <@Shiz> | dpkg --listfiles <package> |
| 10:36 | <@Tarinaky> | Danke! |
| 10:37 | <&jerith> | Or "apt-file list <package name>" if you don't have the .deb handy. |
| 10:37 | <@Shiz> | dpkg doesn't need the deb |
| 10:37 | <&jerith> | (You might need to install apt-file first.) |
| 10:37 | <@Shiz> | I wasn't aware of apt-file though |
| 10:37 | <@Shiz> | another thing learned |
| 10:38 | <@Shiz> | (dpkg does require that the package is installed, though. either that OR the deb) |
| 10:38 | <&jerith> | Ah. |
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| 11:19 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay. So. My diss involves patching some (existing) firmware for an Arduino Microcontroller to add a feature. I have the upstream code compiling on my laptop into a .hex file. |
| 11:19 | <@Tarinaky> | What I really need to know are what're my options for testing? |
| 11:20 | <@Tarinaky> | Unfortunately the person I could really do with talking in my department is off this week because of a bereavement. |
| 11:20 | <@Tarinaky> | And I could do with some direction :/ |
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| 11:34 | <@Tarinaky> | Okay. Nm. I think I found what I need on StackOverflow. |
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| 12:24 | <@simon_> | I just learned about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation today |
| 12:24 | <@simon_> | this is amazing! |
| 12:24 | <@simon_> | I didn't know there was a field of study dedicated to real-time "version control" |
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| 12:32 | <@RichyB> | simon_, it's how collaborative editors work. :) |
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| 12:34 | <@simon_> | RichyB, yeah :) |
| 12:34 | <@RichyB> | Also might be interesting, the CRDT papers. |
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| 12:35 | <@simon_> | CRDT papers? |
| 12:35 | <@simon_> | ah, Consistency Without Concurrency Control |
| 12:35 | <@RichyB> | CRDTs are Convergent Replicated Data Types. Fancy name for "data structure which behaves like sets with the union operator". |
| 12:35 | <@RichyB> | Yesh, that one. |
| 12:35 | | * simon_ is ashamed to admit that those papers were extra-curricular in his last course, and he didn't read them. |
| 12:35 | <@RichyB> | I have yet to get around to reading those. |
| 12:36 | <@RichyB> | Anyway. It's not quite the same thing as OT (I think that you get different user-visible behaviour around nearby-edits) but they sound easier to implement. |
| 12:37 | <@simon_> | ahhh. |
| 12:37 | <@simon_> | *Commutative* Replicated Data Type |
| 12:37 | <@simon_> | ok. |
| 12:38 | <@simon_> | I've never heard about the formalisation of OT before now. |
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| 12:39 | <@simon_> | I read this interview with one of the CodeCombat.com founders (I waste too much time reading start-up fan-fiction) about using OT on CodeCombat, since apparently they have a multiplayer version, too. |
| 12:40 | <@simon_> | using commutativity is great. |
| 12:41 | <@simon_> | I think that's how you parallelize reduce(), too? |
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| 12:43 | <@simon_> | http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/10/85/23/PDF/OsterCSCW06.pdf -- apparently one of the collaborative text editing algorithms that the CRDT article refers to defines an algorithm called WOOT :P |
| 12:43 | <@simon_> | err |
| 12:43 | <@simon_> | that sentence mangled up. |
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| 12:51 | <@RichyB> | simon_, IIRC the paper uses "convergent" rather than "commutative" |
| 12:51 | <@RichyB> | simon_, because commutativity and associativity aren't quite enough. You also need idempotence. |
| 12:52 | <@RichyB> | You can parallelize reduce() with just associativity, but it's easier if you have commutativity, too. |
| 12:52 | <@RichyB> | (with idempotence: you can safely apply the same edit twice) |
| 12:53 | <@RichyB> | (without idempotence: you need to someow track whether you've applied this edit or not. Boo, hiss.) |
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| 13:11 | < abudhabi_> | Has the docx encryption been broken yet or is it safe enough for now? |
| 13:15 | < Syka> | "[In] Office 2010 when you encrypt Open XML Format files (.docx, .xslx, .pptx, and so on) the default values [are] â AES, 128-bit key length, SHA1, and CBC." |
| 13:15 | < Syka> | 128-bit AES? |
| 13:15 | < Syka> | eh, good enough, probably |
| 13:16 | < Syka> | abudhabi_: certainly enough to keep a casual attacker out |
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| 13:19 | <@RichyB> | aes-128-cbc is, unless you do something stupid like leaving a copy of your key lying around, probably not going to be brute-forceable with all of the computers that humanity will ever build. |
| 13:20 | < Syka> | neither is many things |
| 13:21 | < Syka> | but it's vulnerable to weak passwords (dictionary attacks!) |
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| 13:25 | <@gnolam> | The question isn't usually "what is the theoretical strength of the encryption algorithm used?" but rather "is it implemented correctly?". |
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| 13:32 | <@simon_> | RichyB, oh! thanks for clarifying that. |
| 13:34 | <@RichyB> | gnolam, with a handful of notable recent breaks |
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