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06:09 | < FlakManiak1> | Hey. |
06:38 | < addking> | heya. |
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07:21 | < MittenNinja> | heyo |
07:22 | < Rex> | 'Evening |
07:23 | < MittenNinja> | how goes it? |
07:24 | < Rex> | Not bad. |
07:24 | < Rex> | Just playing some games. |
07:24 | < Rex> | You? |
07:25 | < Rex> | XCOM is kicking my ass a bit. |
07:26 | < Rex> | I haven't lost anyone, but after having 3 Cyberdiscs come at me in the same turn during the invasion mission... |
07:26 | < Rex> | Man, I was just so done. |
07:27 | < Rex> | Everyone's been wounded countless times, Ethereals are going to wreck face later on. |
07:30 | < MittenNinja> | new xcom? or the old one? |
07:30 | < MittenNinja> | im at work, unfortunately |
07:30 | < FlakManiak1> | Hmm. I need to photograph my caped frames already. |
07:31 | < MittenNinja> | yeah you should get around to that |
07:31 | < FlakManiak1> | The last company in the brick. |
07:31 | < FlakManiak1> | Then I guess I need to decide what I'm building next. |
07:31 | < FlakManiak1> | I should do some cost investigations on the followups to the Dragon tyrant. |
07:32 | < FlakManiak1> | I've got one or two subsequent builds all but planned out. |
07:32 | < Rex> | New |
07:33 | < MittenNinja> | i havent played that one yet rex |
07:33 | < FlakManiak1> | Maybe I should make a whole company of superframes? Seems like my style. I wonder how much it would cost to make five of this new design... Or four more Dragon Tyrants. |
07:33 | < MittenNinja> | im planning on doing a company of Hop Devils |
07:34 | < MittenNinja> | theyre tiny |
07:34 | < FlakManiak1> | Which one is the Hop Devil? |
07:34 | < MittenNinja> | im definitely enjoying smaller builds |
07:34 | < MittenNinja> | http://www.mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1800/ |
07:34 | < MittenNinja> | i plan on using two to cpunt as one frame |
07:34 | < MittenNinja> | *count |
07:35 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh right, that guy. |
07:35 | < FlakManiak1> | So super tiny then. |
07:35 | < FlakManiak1> | Dwarfed by a mere Chub. |
07:35 | < FlakManiak1> | Even my transparent green guys would make it look small, and they're the smallest of my companies. |
07:36 | < MittenNinja> | yeah. |
07:36 | < MittenNinja> | two of them would be a whole "frame" |
07:36 | < FlakManiak1> | If the connections weren't five kinds of illegal, I'd mock one of those up in LDD to compare it to the forearm/fist of my newest design. |
07:37 | < FlakManiak1> | It would be larger but not by much. |
07:37 | < MittenNinja> | each one is one white die, and the systems are divided up between them |
07:37 | < MittenNinja> | haha |
07:37 | < Rex> | Oh dang, they're super cute. |
07:38 | < FlakManiak1> | Nobody calls my frames cute! (Mostly because they're giant, imposing monsters, but still.) |
07:38 | < Rex> | That sounds pretty cool too, though. |
07:38 | < MittenNinja> | ive gotten cute a couple of times |
07:38 | < MittenNinja> | mostly from the hoplites |
07:39 | < MittenNinja> | or the bullfrog, now that i think of it |
07:41 | < FlakManiak1> | So I feel like I should retrofit capes onto some of my older frames, or make caped versions of some older companies. |
07:41 | < FlakManiak1> | The black and white guys could use a caped version. |
07:41 | < Rex> | Sounds cool. |
07:42 | < FlakManiak1> | Or at least a caped extra. |
07:44 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh, right, that's why I need to make another set of the black and white guys. |
07:44 | < FlakManiak1> | And I should dig out those old photos of that modified version... |
07:45 | < FlakManiak1> | Yeah. Gonna have loads of flashy new builds... Maybe. |
07:45 | < Rex> | Sounds like a lot of work. |
07:45 | < FlakManiak1> | If you want restraint or a lack of excess, pray I decide to make more Chubs. But otherwise, they're gonna be bombastic. |
07:45 | < FlakManiak1> | Okay, right. |
07:45 | < FlakManiak1> | So I should write down which projects I have on the docket. |
07:46 | < FlakManiak1> | Very fancy (but non-caped) alternate versions of the black and white guys, first off. |
07:46 | < FlakManiak1> | (No not the samurai Chubs, my old black and white guys, my first company.) |
07:46 | < FlakManiak1> | Then that super Chub project. |
07:47 | < FlakManiak1> | Then a new uberframe or two. |
07:47 | < FlakManiak1> | And I still need to finish the grey/transparent light blue guys, and maybe make the purple guys table-ready. |
07:48 | < FlakManiak1> | Damn, the Hop Devil is sweet. |
07:48 | < Rex> | Damn, man. I'm tired just reading all of that. |
07:48 | < FlakManiak1> | Rex, how many companies do you have? |
07:48 | < Rex> | None |
07:49 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh. |
07:49 | < FlakManiak1> | Then no wonder. |
07:49 | < FlakManiak1> | Because of my insanity, I have eleven. |
07:49 | < FlakManiak1> | But they're in various states of readiness. |
07:49 | < FlakManiak1> | So to me, "make a couple new companies and a giant one-off or two" is kinda routine. |
07:49 | < Rex> | I decided to spend my spare cash on a PS4 for that sweet Destiny action. |
07:50 | < FlakManiak1> | And "finish the old companies that need full sets of equipment" is one of those empty promises we make ourselves to feel better. |
07:50 | < FlakManiak1> | Also I'm sort of mulling the idea of making some rivals to my sand green guys, with the same chassis, in red. |
07:51 | < Rex> | I've decided to hit the Lego store an hour away once Summer break frees me from these little devils and then see where I am after that. |
07:51 | < Rex> | And, honestly, Bricklink looks like a real drag to work. |
07:52 | < FlakManiak1> | There are so many possibilities, but bricking things up takes time and effort, so I don't end up building as much as I'd like to. Which sounds crazy because I have more full companies than almost all the forumites. |
07:52 | < FlakManiak1> | But it's an addiction. |
07:52 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh, BrickLink is very obnoxious. |
07:52 | < FlakManiak1> | Maybe BrickOwl is better. |
07:52 | < Rex> | Link me to some of your stuff please. |
07:52 | < FlakManiak1> | But BrickLink gave me the parts I needed to build exactly what I wanted. |
07:53 | < FlakManiak1> | My Flickr has every company except the caped guys: https://www.flickr.com/photos/105731182@N04/ |
07:53 | < FlakManiak1> | Doesn't have the old pictures of the black and white guys, which are on imgur. Oh well. |
07:53 | < FlakManiak1> | Also, the thing that let me use BrickLink way better was the cost minimizer scripts from atxdad over on Brickset. Really revolutionized my BrickLinking. |
07:54 | < FlakManiak1> | Turned things from "oh my god this is an awful process and I can barely get what I want" to "this is kind of a hassle but I get everything I want and pretty cheaply". |
07:54 | < MittenNinja> | bricklink definitely has a learning curve |
07:54 | < MittenNinja> | but its the cheapest way to get what you need |
07:54 | < FlakManiak1> | Yeah, even moreso without the cost minimizer scripts. |
07:55 | < MittenNinja> | I can totally make hop devils in dark purple. i think im gonna do that |
07:55 | < FlakManiak1> | All of my guys from the red guys forward had their parts bought using the cost minimizer scripts. Dunno how I would have made 'em otherwise. |
07:56 | < Rex> | Hm |
07:57 | < FlakManiak1> | The whole sets for parts thing never really did it for me. |
07:57 | < FlakManiak1> | And pick-a-brick walls are great... If they have what you need. You'll get loads of good stuff, probably... But not what you wanted. |
07:57 | < Rex> | I took an hour a couple of week ago to find out that my frames would cost around 7-12ish USD per depending on prices, colors, and how many tiles I want to use. |
07:57 | < FlakManiak1> | That's not bad. |
07:58 | < FlakManiak1> | How did you estimate the cost? |
07:58 | < Rex> | It's just so archaic, straight out of the 90's. |
07:58 | < FlakManiak1> | Just looking at BrickLink averages? |
07:58 | < Rex> | I added everything I needed to my wanted list and went window shopping. Found a good store, removed what they had and went to another store. |
07:59 | < FlakManiak1> | Ah. |
07:59 | < Rex> | Honestly, seeing as how all of my old collection only has 1 t-piece and a few wedges, I'm pretty much looking for everything at this point. I just hope they have a wall. |
08:00 | < Rex> | Your Dragon looks rad, but I'm really liking those purple ones. |
08:00 | < FlakManiak1> | What I did at the start was order travises, taps, Ts, etc., a bunch of the usual suspects, and then I sat down without a particular plan to build. But I was lucky to hit upon a build I liked quickly. |
08:01 | < Rex> | "Purple Guys" hm... |
08:01 | < Rex> | And |
08:01 | < Rex> | Your orange winged guys? |
08:01 | < Rex> | Totally cute. |
08:01 | < FlakManiak1> | Thanks. |
08:02 | < Rex> | I would build more, but LDD makes my wrist hurt. |
08:02 | < Rex> | Soon... |
08:02 | < MittenNinja> | hey rex, did you see the destiny beta trailer? |
08:03 | < Rex> | I did not. I saw the limited edition came with a sweet Ghost replica, saw the price and just closed the window. |
08:03 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=rZe7U4GUC4OGyATfoYKYAg&url=h ttp://www.ign.com/videos/2014/07/07/destiny-beta-trailer&cd=1&ved=0CBwQtwIwAA&us g=AFQjCNFf_GabSRNehb0vPac4UuXl7IUcqA |
08:03 | < Rex> | I'm hoping they make a Ghost alarm clock. |
08:03 | < Rex> | I'd buy that so fucking hard. |
08:04 | < MittenNinja> | that also comes with a "season pass" whoch includes the expansions when they hit |
08:04 | < MittenNinja> | that would be awesome |
08:04 | < Rex> | Yeah........ |
08:04 | < Rex> | I dunno. |
08:04 | < Rex> | It said the pass was a 40$ value though? |
08:04 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
08:04 | < Rex> | I dunno what that means. |
08:05 | < MittenNinja> | that means $60 for the game, $40 for the pass, so basically youre paying $50 for the ghost |
08:05 | < FlakManiak1> | Wait wait. The budget for this game is $500 million. Think about that for a moment. |
08:05 | < FlakManiak1> | GTA V was $250 million, if I recall. |
08:05 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
08:05 | < FlakManiak1> | This is insane. |
08:05 | < MittenNinja> | its crazy |
08:06 | < MittenNinja> | crazy good |
08:06 | < FlakManiak1> | I hadn't even heard of this game. |
08:06 | < MittenNinja> | its only the next revolutionary game |
08:06 | < MittenNinja> | no big deal |
08:07 | < MittenNinja> | im a COD junkie, and once this comes out i doubt ill be playing cod anymore |
08:08 | < Rex> | Halo had a baby with Borderlands and Star Wars. |
08:08 | < Rex> | Made by Bungie. |
08:08 | < Rex> | nbd |
08:08 | < MittenNinja> | more like halo had a baby with diablo |
08:08 | < Rex> | I don't get how you come to that conclusion. |
08:09 | < MittenNinja> | the leveling, gear, builds, co-op, etc |
08:09 | < MittenNinja> | the social aspect is much more like diablo as well |
08:09 | < FlakManiak1> | Yeah I dunno. I'm not that into revolutionary games or MMOs. Reading the Wikipedia page, it sounds... Ambitious, but... Probably not what I'm looking for. |
08:09 | < Rex> | I.... |
08:09 | < Rex> | I guess the RPG elements are pretty Diablo. |
08:09 | < MittenNinja> | its got some mmo elements, but its not an mmo |
08:09 | < FlakManiak1> | If I were getting a PS4, it'd probably be for Guilty Gear Xrd. |
08:10 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh never mind, the first sentence said online multiplayer, not massively multiplayer. |
08:10 | < MittenNinja> | ita more like a fps dungeon crawler with competitive multiplayer |
08:10 | < MittenNinja> | and space magic |
08:10 | < Rex> | The gameplay really did take the best from Borderlands though. |
08:11 | < MittenNinja> | yeah but borderlands got dull really fast |
08:11 | < Rex> | I wouldn't know. |
08:11 | < MittenNinja> | and your class pigeon holed you into a certain weapon type |
08:11 | < Rex> | Not my thing. |
08:11 | < Rex> | I played the demo. |
08:12 | < MittenNinja> | once you beat the story mode in borderlands there really wasnt anything left to do |
08:12 | < Rex> | MN, mind if I add you on Facebook or Skype so I can give you my PSN whatever name later? |
08:12 | < MittenNinja> | in destiny they have a planned life cycle for the game of 10 years |
08:12 | < MittenNinja> | sure man |
08:12 | < MittenNinja> | hit me up on fb |
08:13 | < Rex> | What was it, 4 games over 10 years? |
08:13 | < MittenNinja> | no. one game |
08:13 | < MittenNinja> | just new content |
08:13 | < Rex> | Oh? |
08:14 | < MittenNinja> | yeah, so expansions |
08:14 | < Rex> | I'm so hyped for the beta. |
08:14 | < MittenNinja> | as am i |
08:14 | < MittenNinja> | i have the 17th through the 20th off |
08:14 | < MittenNinja> | im gonna be playin |
08:14 | < FlakManiak1> | Hmm. |
08:15 | < FlakManiak1> | Is the beta free on PS3/4? I guess I should try this. |
08:15 | < Rex> | Yiss |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | im planning on streaming on twitch if you wanna watch |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | yeah. |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | well |
08:15 | < Rex> | You need to preorder or something to get in. |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | you have to preorder |
08:15 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh. |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | so $5 |
08:15 | < Rex> | I have an extra code somewhere. |
08:15 | < FlakManiak1> | $5? |
08:15 | < Rex> | I think. |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | you have to put $5 to preorder usually |
08:15 | < MittenNinja> | *down |
08:15 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh ok. |
08:16 | < MittenNinja> | but yeah. it starts on the 17th |
08:16 | < MittenNinja> | ends on the 27th |
08:16 | < Rex> | Wow, my code is a rather rude one. |
08:17 | < MittenNinja> | how so? |
08:18 | < Rex> | You could just preorder to get the beta and cancel it later. |
08:18 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
08:18 | < Rex> | The second half of the code is FAT-GAY. |
08:18 | < MittenNinja> | well that is rude |
08:18 | < Rex> | Yeah... |
08:18 | < MittenNinja> | and homophobic |
08:19 | < MittenNinja> | flak did you say youd be on ps3? |
08:20 | < Rex> | "Thank you for pre-ordering Destiny! Here's your beta key. Don't forget your insult." |
08:20 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
08:21 | < MittenNinja> | but yeah. ill let you know when ill be streaming the beta. |
08:21 | < MittenNinja> | im probably going to rock a hunter or a warlock this time |
08:21 | < Rex> | I'd watch that. |
08:22 | < Rex> | How do you store your frames? |
08:24 | < MittenNinja> | in tray/box things |
08:24 | < FlakManiak1> | Yeah I haven't got a PS4. I think I'll just watch the beta. Maybe if it looks amazing I'll preorder. |
08:24 | < MittenNinja> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/mittenninja/14403631131/ |
08:25 | < MittenNinja> | its coming out for ps3 as well. but then you wouldnt be able to play with us |
08:25 | < Rex> | I have an Xbox code. |
08:26 | < Rex> | For some reason I preordered it on both. I don't know what I was thinking. |
08:26 | < Rex> | That white PS4 was just too good. |
08:26 | < Rex> | I have not the will to resist. |
08:27 | < FlakManiak1> | Oh it's not cross-platform? |
08:27 | < MittenNinja> | not gonna lie, i kinda wish i could get one |
08:27 | < MittenNinja> | i doubt it |
08:27 | < Rex> | It is not. |
08:27 | < MittenNinja> | nothing has been thus far |
08:28 | < Rex> | Cross platform play is a service issue, not a developer one. |
08:29 | < MittenNinja> | besides, its sooooo much prettier on ps4 |
08:29 | < Rex> | I have these cigar boxes with some Galileo looking dude on them I was thinking about making dividers for. |
08:31 | < MittenNinja> | hey, whatever works man |
08:31 | < Rex> | I should be able to fit 6 in one box, though I might have to snap the legs off. I'm not too sure at this point. |
08:31 | < Rex> | http://s1279.photobucket.com/user/Tango_Sierra/media/Galileo_zpsaedeedd7.jpg.htm l?sort=3&o=0 |
08:32 | < Rex> | I dunno, they look pretty cool to me. |
08:32 | < Rex> | He looks so baked though. |
08:32 | < MittenNinja> | hahaha |
08:33 | < MittenNinja> | you sure they were just cigars? |
08:35 | < Rex> | Pretty sure. |
08:35 | < Rex> | They would have been more expensive if they were anything extra. |
08:35 | < Rex> | Though I didn't smoke 'em so I dunno. |
08:36 | < Rex> | The wood smells like relish though. Super weird. |
08:36 | < MittenNinja> | whoever had one last must have relished it |
08:36 | < MittenNinja> | *smirk* |
08:38 | < Rex> | Oh, you! |
08:44 | < MittenNinja> | man i am just itching to play again. |
08:44 | < MittenNinja> | the alpha got me addicted |
08:44 | < MittenNinja> | now i need my fix |
08:46 | < Rex> | They're like drug dealers. |
08:46 | < Rex> | The first one is free. |
08:47 | < MittenNinja> | pretty much |
08:47 | < MittenNinja> | actually, the second one is free too |
08:47 | < MittenNinja> | jist to make sure youre hooked |
08:47 | < Rex> | Details, deatils. |
08:47 | < MittenNinja> | gah. |
08:48 | < MittenNinja> | im having such a hard time deciding what class i want to focus on first |
08:48 | < MittenNinja> | titan was super fun. |
08:48 | < MittenNinja> | but the other two look awesome as well |
08:48 | < Rex> | I'm not sold on the hunter, myself. |
08:49 | < MittenNinja> | there are two things that could sell me on the hunter |
08:49 | < MittenNinja> | 1. the second subclass that is more melee focused |
08:49 | < Rex> | Warlock looks the most fun to me, but I don't know anything at all at this point. |
08:49 | < MittenNinja> | 2. throwing knives for your special melee attack |
08:50 | < MittenNinja> | and the double jump is by far the best vertical movement skill imo |
08:50 | < Rex> | Being accurate with the Golden Gun looks too hard. |
08:50 | < Rex> | Word |
08:50 | < MittenNinja> | its not as hard as it looks |
08:50 | < MittenNinja> | at least for me |
08:51 | < Rex> | I suck at aiming in multiplayer becuas eI don't do it often enough. |
08:52 | < Rex> | It's more twitchy there. |
08:55 | < MittenNinja> | keep in mind it works in pve too |
08:58 | < MittenNinja> | in fact everything works in both pve and pvp |
08:58 | < Rex> | Word |
08:59 | < Rex> | Man I'm really tired of this. |
08:59 | < MittenNinja> | of what? |
09:01 | < Rex> | Just weary of dealing with someone who's testing my will to live and let live. |
09:02 | < MittenNinja> | that doesnt sound like a good situation |
09:02 | < Rex> | Trying to be a better person is hard work. |
09:02 | < Rex> | Especially when you're a scumbag like me! |
09:03 | < MittenNinja> | doing the right thing usually isnt easy |
09:04 | < MittenNinja> | otherwise wed have lots of awesome people in this world |
09:05 | < Rex> | Eh, I think I'm just cranky. |
09:06 | < MittenNinja> | thats a possibility too |
09:07 | < Rex> | Oh |
09:07 | < Rex> | i found out that Tho Order's enemies aren't just werewolves. |
09:07 | < MittenNinja> | yeah |
09:07 | < Rex> | And that I can't ttype. |
09:07 | < MittenNinja> | lol |
09:12 | < Rex> | Sounds neat. |
09:14 | < Rex> | I'm honestly hoping for a basilisk, but it probably won't be a thing there. |
09:14 | < MittenNinja> | a basilisk? |
09:15 | < MittenNinja> | you mean in the order? |
09:17 | < Rex> | Yeah, they're knights from the Round Table and King Arthur. I mean, it's conceivable...but the enemies have been referred to as half-breeds pretty much exclusively in the dev videos. |
09:17 | < MittenNinja> | yeah, then i doubt a basilisk shows up |
09:18 | < MittenNinja> | maybe a medusa? |
09:19 | < Rex> | That's pretty Greek, but I'd be cool with that. |
09:20 | < MittenNinja> | pretty sure its also roman |
09:20 | < MittenNinja> | there is a lot of crossover there |
09:20 | < MittenNinja> | and Roman mythos collides with Arthurian lore quite a bit |
09:20 | < Rex> | Fair enough. |
09:31 | < MittenNinja> | welp, im out for the night |
09:31 | < MittenNinja> | take it easy man. |
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15:20 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
15:21 | < FlakManiak1> | Hey. |
15:21 | < Mantisking> | How's it going? |
15:24 | < FlakManiak1> | Things are alright. |
15:24 | < FlakManiak1> | I still need to photographed my caped frames. |
15:27 | < Mantisking> | I feel like I never have enough time to take pictures. |
15:29 | < FlakManiak1> | Taking good photos takes loads of effort. |
15:39 | < Mantisking> | Yeah. |
15:39 | < Mantisking> | I find the editing process to be tedious. |
15:40 | < FlakManiak1> | I also need to decide which of my current ideas to build. |
15:41 | < FlakManiak1> | I might make another company of super Chubs, which would be really slick. |
15:42 | < FlakManiak1> | And then I have a couple more superframe designs... |
15:42 | < FlakManiak1> | So many potential projects. |
15:45 | < Mantisking> | That's like me trying to decide what set to review. |
15:46 | < FlakManiak1> | I could also make a caped version of my old black and white guys, or the super fancy versions of them, or I could make red versions of my sand green guys... |
15:46 | < FlakManiak1> | So many things I want to build. |
15:46 | < FlakManiak1> | And I still feel like I should make a company of white Chubs. |
15:46 | < FlakManiak1> | To go with my Scalechub. |
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17:21 | < Mantisking> | Hello? |
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19:10 | < Mantisking> | The forum is really slow today. |
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19:54 | < Ced23Ric> | Alright. |
19:54 | < Ced23Ric> | It's time for pictures and FlickR/Hangar posts. |
19:54 | | * mraichelson hurls confetti |
19:57 | < Ced23Ric> | Huzzah! |
21:08 | < Ced23Ric> | https://www.flickr.com/photos/79277138@N08/ |
21:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I have delivered. |
21:19 | | * mraichelson bookmarks |
21:19 | < mraichelson> | chunky and solid: check |
21:19 | < mraichelson> | good colors: check |
21:19 | < mraichelson> | reminds me i never have any droid torsos: check |
21:22 | < Ced23Ric> | I caved and got one gajillion in black and dark bley. |
21:23 | < mraichelson> | sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. |
21:23 | < Ced23Ric> | Like buying these droid bodies. |
21:24 | < mraichelson> | you know, like the poster says: http://slurmed.com/fanart/nobull/001_you-gotta-do-what-ugd.jpg |
21:45 | < FlakManiak1> | How cheap did you get 'em? I thought droid torsos were always super expensive. |
21:47 | < Ced23Ric> | About 35 cents for grey, 45 cents for black. |
21:48 | < FlakManiak1> | Hmm. Not as bad as I'd feared. |
21:49 | < FlakManiak1> | I guess it's only the colors the Star Wars fans want that you'll get gouged on, then. |
21:49 | < FlakManiak1> | What do they even get used for in sets in those colors? |
22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Special droids. |
22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Squadleaders etc. |
22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Or different heads/legs, for assassin droids. |
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