| --- Log opened Wed May 21 00:00:42 2014 |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Em. |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | http://mobileframehangar.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=4510 |
| 00:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Get it. |
| 00:03 | < locas> | man |
| 00:03 | < locas> | I forgot how annoying it was |
| 00:03 | < locas> | to quick reference the actual rules |
| 00:03 | < locas> | these simple playercount charts |
| 00:03 | < locas> | where were they in my time of need |
| 00:03 | < locas> | this is good stuff |
| 00:06 | < Ced23Ric> | To be fair, I just started this a month ago. |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | Because I realised how shit the rulebook was for, you know, finding rules. |
| 00:07 | < locas> | yeah |
| 00:07 | < Ced23Ric> | When this drawfriend comes around and actually draws my request, I#ll do a cover page more snazzy. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | And I thin I'll do some page design elements tomorrow. |
| 00:08 | < Ced23Ric> | Still a little torn on the background. I was debating on really light, muted b/w images of frames, with icons to explain their loadouts. Just in the background. |
| 00:09 | < Ced23Ric> | And on the sides, top and bottom some brushed metal bullshit panels. |
| 00:10 | < locas> | not sure how I feel about something in the background |
| 00:10 | < locas> | as long as it can be clinically tested to not impair legibility, you're fine |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, yeah, no worries. I might not do it at all. |
| 00:11 | < locas> | but detailed images draw the eye |
| 00:11 | < locas> | mo matter how light |
| 00:11 | < locas> | MO natter. |
| 00:11 | < Ced23Ric> | Or I just do them in a corner. Like a splash. |
| 00:11 | < locas> | that might be better |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | This guy agreed to making a cover image for the PDF: http://lizardfoundry.carbonmade.com/projects/4227379 |
| 00:12 | < locas> | is it intended to be printed out and folded pamphlet size? |
| 00:12 | < locas> | this will be excellent for demos |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | It is, actually. |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | It's A4, though, no US Letter. |
| 00:12 | < locas> | psh |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | Once this version is done, though, I'll make an US Letter version, too. |
| 00:12 | < locas> | it'll work well enough |
| 00:12 | < Ced23Ric> | But I want to get this done first. |
| 00:12 | < locas> | even if it just gets resized |
| 00:13 | < locas> | a4 is smaller, right? |
| 00:13 | < locas> | in all dimensions? |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | Because maintaining two documents sucks a dick. |
| 00:13 | < locas> | or is it taller |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | A4 is 29.7cm x 21cm. |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | US Letter is 27.9cm x 21.6cm |
| 00:13 | < Ced23Ric> | So, slightly wider, a good inch shorter. |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | "US Letter size is a recognized standard adopted by the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) whereas the A4 is the International Standard (ISO) used in most countries." |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I love these sentences. |
| 00:14 | < locas> | yeah |
| 00:14 | < Ced23Ric> | "So, this is what the US uses, and the rest of the world uses DIN." |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | DIN = Deutsche Industrienorm, German Industry Standard. |
| 00:15 | < locas> | silly america |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | "Unlike the A4 (210 Ć 297 mm) international standard (ISO) paper sizes which are used in most countries in the world today, the origin of the dimensions of letter size paper are lost in tradition. The American Forest and Paper Association argues that the dimension originates from the days of manual paper making, and that the 11-inch length of the page is about a quarter of "the average maximum |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | stretch of an experienced vatman's arms".[2] However, this does not explain the width or aspect ratio." |
| 00:15 | < Ced23Ric> | Hahahahaha. |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | "What is this based on?" - "Fuck if I know, some dude's arms?" |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | A4 is based on A0, which is 1mĀ² surface with the sides in a 1:root of 2 ratio. |
| 00:16 | < Ced23Ric> | The number after the A tells you how often A0 needs to be folded to reach that size. |
| 00:17 | < Ced23Ric> | So, A1 is folded once, A2 twice, and so on. |
| 00:17 | < Ced23Ric> | One ream of 20-pound letter-sized paper weighs 5 pounds, and a single letter-sized sheet of 20-pound paper weighs 0.16 ounces (4.5 g), which is equivalent to 72 g/m2 (72gsm). The most common density of A4 paper is 80gsm. |
| 00:17 | < Ced23Ric> | See, our paper is even more sturdy. |
| 00:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Alrightey, time for bed. |
| 00:24 | < Ced23Ric> | Talk to you later! |
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| 03:51 | < Soren> | hello! |
| 03:55 | | * mraichelson salutes |
| 03:56 | < Soren> | If youāre going to be doing Suzerains, donāt forget that thereās properly a Bionicle mask on top fo the head. |
| 03:56 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=32568 This one by preference, but several others also work. |
| 03:56 | < mraichelson> | i remember you mentioning it, but i actually havenāt built one yet. |
| 03:57 | < mraichelson> | which seems to be kind of a thing. i started out without the parts, then got so many parts i went crazy, then came back to try the stuff that was, like, coherent. :) |
| 03:57 | < Soren> | I know Iāve tested http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=32567 and http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=32566 probably others. |
| 03:57 | < Soren> | heh |
| 03:58 | < Soren> | Ah, and this one: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=32573 |
| 03:58 | | * mraichelson bookmarks furiously |
| 03:59 | < Soren> | http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=1992&colorID=14 I would just note, these are fairly cheap. |
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| 04:34 | < Soren> | Ray! I have received whiskeys! |
| 04:35 | < Soren> | They smell pretty great. |
| 04:37 | < Mantisking> | Excellent. |
| 04:37 | < Mantisking> | If you have any questions just let me know. |
| 04:37 | < Soren> | Thanks again. I can tell Iām going to get some great evenings out of this little box. |
| 04:37 | < Mantisking> | No prob. |
| 04:37 | < Mantisking> | Everyone is always asking things of you. I figured you should get something in return. |
| 04:38 | < Soren> | Aw.. I appreciate it. |
| 04:38 | < Soren> | Usually Iām happy to say yes or provide help, so. |
| 04:39 | < Mantisking> | It just seems like every time I log on here, someone's going "Soren! Soren? Soren!" |
| 04:39 | < Mantisking> | Besides, spreading the love with whisk(e)y is something I like doing. |
| 04:40 | < Soren> | Well, thatās a good 75% Ced, and Iām happy to just mess with him forever. |
| 04:40 | < Soren> | And I can definitely get behind the latter. |
| 04:40 | < Mantisking> | :_D |
| 04:41 | < Mantisking> | Have you actually tried anything yet? |
| 04:41 | < Soren> | I was thinking iād look a couple up and perhaps have a sip or two this evening. |
| 04:42 | < Mantisking> | Okay. |
| 04:42 | < Mantisking> | We did an inventory on Sunday. |
| 04:43 | < Mantisking> | 104 line items, 110 bottles. |
| 04:43 | < Mantisking> | 21 open bottles. |
| 04:43 | < Soren> | Iām impressed. |
| 04:44 | < Mantisking> | So was I. i figured it was about 50. |
| 04:47 | < Mantisking> | Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying yourself. |
| 04:52 | < Mantisking> | Ugh. Must finish blog post. |
| 05:04 | < Mantisking> | Soren? |
| 05:06 | < mraichelson> | SOREN! SOREN! OMG SOREN! |
| 05:07 | < Mantisking> | Heh. |
| 05:07 | < mraichelson> | :) |
| 05:08 | < Mantisking> | How ya doin'? |
| 05:12 | < Mantisking> | Okay, time to call it a night. |
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| 11:19 | < CedAtWork> | Oh hai. |
| 11:19 | < CedAtWork> | Soren is away. ;_; |
| 11:19 | < CedAtWork> | So ronery. |
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| 14:21 | < Mantisking> | Morning. |
| 14:24 | < CedAtWork> | Heya Ray. |
| 14:25 | < CedAtWork> | Do you have any good idea for decals? |
| 14:25 | < CedAtWork> | I was looking at the warning signs here: http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/misc.htm |
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| 15:32 | < CedAtWork> | Heya Mike! |
| 15:32 | < CedAtWork> | Are you familiar with Front Mission? |
| 15:42 | < mraichelson> | newp, never heard of it. |
| 15:42 | < CedAtWork> | Fair enough. |
| 15:43 | < CedAtWork> | I was just looking at some of their designs. |
| 15:43 | < CedAtWork> | They have these "wanzers", which is supposedly coming from "wanderpanzers". |
| 15:43 | < CedAtWork> | The entire game is riddled with butchered German. |
| 15:45 | < CedAtWork> | Most of them look like shit. |
| 15:45 | < CedAtWork> | http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100814145846/frontmission/images/e/e1/Blizz aia_wanzer_01.jpg |
| 15:45 | < CedAtWork> | But that one, for example, isn't too bad. |
| 15:45 | < mraichelson> | Steroid-bot :) |
| 15:45 | < CedAtWork> | Well, it is supposedly armoured with 400mm of steel. |
| 15:46 | | * mraichelson does āi live in a heathen imperial unit countryā math |
| 15:46 | < mraichelson> | that, seems excessive. |
| 15:47 | < CedAtWork> | Ah, yeah, that's about 160 inches. |
| 15:47 | < CedAtWork> | And yes. |
| 15:47 | < CedAtWork> | That's excessive. |
| 15:47 | < CedAtWork> | Wait. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | 16 inches. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | Excessive enough. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | They weight in at about 25 tons. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | About 5m tall. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | That's some serious fucking armour. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | And those things can skate and hover and dash and what not. |
| 15:48 | < CedAtWork> | (I think Front Mission is a little retarded.) |
| 15:49 | < mraichelson> | yeah, if they would have not put numbers on some of that, it might be passable. |
| 15:49 | < mraichelson> | 5 meters tall with a 16ā steel outer layer = takes a whoooooole lot of power to just move much less skate and dash |
| 15:55 | < CedAtWork> | And hover. |
| 15:55 | < CedAtWork> | And hover dash. |
| 16:01 | < CedAtWork> | http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/misc.htm |
| 16:01 | < CedAtWork> | Look at the "Warning Signs". |
| 16:01 | < CedAtWork> | Whaddaya think, for MFZ? |
| 16:10 | < mraichelson> | ooh, nice |
| 16:13 | < CedAtWork> | So many decal places look like they stopped business in mid 2000. |
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| 16:18 | < Mantisking> | Wheeee. Is it Friday yet? |
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| 16:20 | < CedAtWork> | It .. no. ;_; |
| 16:25 | < Mantisking> | Yeah, I know. |
| 16:26 | < CedAtWork> | You pinged out before. |
| 16:26 | < CedAtWork> | http://www.fightingpirannhagraphics.com/misc.htm |
| 16:26 | < CedAtWork> | What do you think about the warning decals? |
| 16:27 | < Mantisking> | The signs or the stripes? |
| 16:28 | < CedAtWork> | Signs. |
| 16:28 | < CedAtWork> | Stripes and checkers are a maybe. ;) |
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| 17:42 | < Mantisking> | Ced, I guess those stickers depend on how big they are. |
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| 17:49 | < CedAtWork> | Well, there is a Quarter next to it. |
| 17:50 | < CedAtWork> | The size is not exactly a mystery. ;) |
| 18:06 | < mraichelson> | if anything iād be a little concerned that some of them might be too small to be of much use. |
| 18:34 | < CedAtWork> | Yeah. :/ |
| 18:34 | < CedAtWork> | If that#s 1:144 stuff, it'll be tiny as fuck. |
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| 18:54 | < Mantisking> | So bored. |
| 18:55 | < CedAtWork> | Well, and I am on my way out. Freedom is calling in 5 minutes. |
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| 19:29 | < Buckit> | mraichelson: Sorry to bug you about this, but are there any of the kits left, trying to get a friend in |
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| 19:30 | < mraichelson> | two |
| 19:30 | < mraichelson> | (it should say at the top of the page) |
| 19:32 | < Buckit_> | Mkay |
| 19:32 | < Buckit_> | Thanks! |
| 19:33 | < mraichelson> | and really thatās just the cap i set on trying to get a feel for if there were people actually interested in them. if you know osmeone else who really wants one i can up the limit if i need to. |
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| 19:33 | < mraichelson> | s/osmeone/someone |
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| 20:03 | < Mantisking> | Hello. |
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| 22:01 | < Ced23Ric> | Herrow. |
| 22:02 | < Soren> | hey. |
| 22:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Oh, it's Mr. Roberts. |
| 22:02 | < Buckit_> | Grettings |
| 22:02 | < Ced23Ric> | The elusive One. |
| 22:02 | < Buckit_> | greetings** |
| 22:02 | < Ced23Ric> | Heya Buckit. |
| 22:02 | < Soren> | Elusive, sorting - they add up to the same thing. |
| 22:02 | < Soren> | Also, taco trucks. I was at one. |
| 22:02 | < Ced23Ric> | I feel like sorting is a sword of damocles. |
| 22:02 | < Ced23Ric> | It's looming over me. |
| 22:02 | < Soren> | such delicious, very burrito. |
| 22:03 | < Buckit_> | I hate you soren, dow I have to go down into seattle |
| 22:03 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, I was treated to a serving of tomato-raddish salad in avocade ... dressing. |
| 22:03 | < Soren> | But youāll have a burrito. |
| 22:03 | < Ced23Ric> | With chicken breast stripes. |
| 22:03 | < Soren> | So it evens out. |
| 22:04 | < Soren> | Better get a spare for emergencies. |
| 22:04 | < Ced23Ric> | *avocado |
| 22:04 | < Buckit_> | Yes, but the other option was driving south, instead of going north first |
| 22:04 | < Ced23Ric> | Burritos CAUSE emergencies. |
| 22:05 | < Ced23Ric> | Sometimes, I have a sad, when I need really tiny things and Lego cannot make those things happen. :( |
| 22:06 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | I was looking into wanzers today. |
| 22:06 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, screw that, can't make the heads. |
| 22:07 | < Ced23Ric> | The rest ain't too bad. |
| 22:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I only have one station that I really like. |
| 22:08 | < Ced23Ric> | But stations require parts I have few if any of. |
| 22:08 | < Ced23Ric> | At least, cool ones. |
| 22:08 | < Ced23Ric> | I miss my old Lego. |
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| 22:45 | < Soren> | I saw. āLetās armor a robot like a battleshipās turret facesā is a singularly ridiculous piece of worldbuilding. |
| 22:45 | < Soren> | As for parts, stations, etc. I got you right here; http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItem.asp?P=93168 |
| 22:55 | < Ced23Ric> | You are not telling me anything new, dear. |
| 22:55 | < Ced23Ric> | I have ten of those. |
| 22:55 | < Ced23Ric> | Used five in recent builds. |
| 22:55 | < Ced23Ric> | a double gas tank of sorts and a Comms tower. |
| 23:14 | < Soren> | Then Iām not sure what the issue is? |
| 23:14 | < Soren> | Or do you just need a shitload of stations? |
| 23:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I dunno. |
| 23:14 | < Ced23Ric> | I never feel it's good enough. |
| 23:15 | < Ced23Ric> | You know me. |
| 23:15 | < Buckit_> | Not having read the actual rules, I always feel like a map needs more scenery/cover peices |
| 23:16 | < Ced23Ric> | It does. |
| 23:16 | < Soren> | Mmm. For a demo game I have about, ten pieces of cover? |
| 23:16 | < Soren> | And that feels about right. |
| 23:17 | < Soren> | three large, seven small. |
| 23:17 | < Soren> | So you could probably keep that ratio and do okay. |
| 23:18 | < Soren> | assuming an average of 5-6 units per team, that gives you 25-30 pieces of cover. |
| 23:18 | < Soren> | Plus things like bridges or office buildings or hotdog stands. |
| 23:20 | < Ced23Ric> | Peach plantations. |
| 23:21 | < Soren> | Hmm. a peach orchard would be pretty easy. |
| 23:21 | < Ced23Ric> | Could even use the foliage again. |
| 23:21 | < Ced23Ric> | And slap orange 1x1 rounds underneath. |
| 23:21 | < Soren> | Plus a shitload of 1x1 round plates in orange |
| 23:21 | < Soren> | yeah |
| 23:21 | < Soren> | mix in some minifig heads for especially large peaches. |
| 23:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah. |
| 23:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Drop some on the ground, too. |
| 23:22 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, I just want shit to look full |
| 23:22 | < Ced23Ric> | Mix in some red ones, for overripened ones. |
| 23:22 | < Ced23Ric> | And there is light, bright and dark orange, too. |
| 23:22 | < Buckit_> | King of the Orchard? |
| 23:23 | < Soren> | Buckit: layering would also help with that. Building platforms like this: https://secure.flickr.com/photos/bricklovinfreakboy/6918088320/ helps a lot. |
| 23:24 | < Soren> | Start by laying out the plate area you want to be elevatied and building it upside-down. |
| 23:24 | < Soren> | -i |
| 23:25 | < Buckit_> | Yeah. I love the level differences. |
| 23:26 | < Buckit_> | Do rules take into account elevation differences? |
| 23:26 | < Soren> | Yep. |
| 23:26 | < Ced23Ric> | Expanded rules . |
| 23:27 | < Ced23Ric> | Incidentially, Soren's piece there is just about the right height. |
| 23:27 | < Soren> | Yeah, itās a test case. |
| 23:28 | < Soren> | on a nicely-sized battlefield you could proably slap down two or three of those. |
| 23:28 | < Soren> | maybe make them a bit larger. |
| 23:28 | < Ced23Ric> | There's my problem. |
| 23:28 | < Soren> | Iāve widened the ramp design to 12 studs since then, for flavor. |
| 23:28 | < Ced23Ric> | Looks like it would eat a lot of bricks. |
| 23:28 | < Soren> | not really? |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Is it hollow? |
| 23:29 | < Soren> | yeah. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, except for supports, I guess. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | That creates a problem. |
| 23:29 | < Soren> | filling it up would be impractical. |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | Can I shred it? |
| 23:29 | < Ced23Ric> | As in, shoot it to bits? |
| 23:29 | < Soren> | some, but the game would likely end before you could do more than cosmetic damage. |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | I dunno. |
| 23:30 | < Soren> | if youāre worried, make the top two bricksā worth solid, out of 2x2 bricks. |
| 23:30 | < Buckit_> | Yeah, what was a direct hit again, 12 bricks? |
| 23:30 | < Soren> | 6. |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | 6 bricks. |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | But you can easily score 5 hits a volley. |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | "easily". |
| 23:30 | < Ced23Ric> | So that is 30 bricks. |
| 23:31 | < Soren> | It might actually be cheaper to do something like that solid, depending on how you planned it. |
| 23:31 | < Soren> | 2x4 plates, 2x4 bricks, 1x2 bricks, two kinds of slope brick. order a few hundred of each. |
| 23:32 | < Soren> | total costā¦ maybe $15 US, if you look for good deals? |
| 23:32 | < Ced23Ric> | True. |
| 23:32 | < Ced23Ric> | What about bridges? |
| 23:32 | < Ced23Ric> | Elevated walkways? |
| 23:33 | < Soren> | I have a bridge design thatās a bit pricey and uses rare parts, but those ramp sections are hinged and can be reinforced. |
| 23:33 | < Soren> | So, make lots of those. |
| 23:33 | < Ced23Ric> | Well, that grated 8x8 plate looks good enough, doesn't it`? |
| 23:33 | < Soren> | Iām a fan. |
| 23:34 | < Soren> | I snagged a bunch of ladders recently for Not Much. |
| 23:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Slap a series of bricks on there, cover them with tiles, that's enough for a human size guard rail. |
| 23:34 | < Soren> | those would make good elevated walkways. |
| 23:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Substructure could be arch pieces and some more bricks. |
| 23:34 | < Ced23Ric> | Make 'em 7 bricks tall, I guess, so you can get a Chub under it. |
| 23:35 | < Soren> | axle/technic connector makes for good supporting struts, too. |
| 23:35 | < Buckit_> | Time to go taco hunting |
| 23:35 | < Buckit_> | o7 |
| 23:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Laters. |
| 23:35 | < Soren> | later! |
| 23:35 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm. |
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| 23:35 | < Ced23Ric> | I dunno if I would like those as much as arches. |
| 23:36 | < Ced23Ric> | Arches look mor architectual. |
| 23:36 | < Soren> | Yeah. Well, it depends on the sizeof the bridge. |
| 23:37 | < Ced23Ric> | Mhmm, mhmm. |
| 23:37 | < Ced23Ric> | If I only had all the Lego in the world. |
| 23:37 | < Soren> | small foot bridges, sure. |
| 23:37 | < Soren> | The eternal wish, yes. |
| 23:37 | < Soren> | Iām strongly tempted to make a UMFL firebase. |
| 23:38 | < Soren> | Wouldnāt be hard. HQ building, sentry tower, couple hangars, sentry guns, fence. |
| 23:38 | < Soren> | some artillery. |
| 23:38 | < Soren> | But the landscaping around it would be a bitch. |
| 23:38 | < Ced23Ric> | Yeah, eh? |
| 23:38 | < Ced23Ric> | It's a big fucing MOC. |
| 23:40 | < Soren> | Might do it anyway! I might have the bits and peices. |
| 23:40 | < Soren> | pieces* |
| 23:40 | < Ced23Ric> | I want to come and play with you. :( |
| 23:40 | < Ced23Ric> | Do you ever do build dates? |
| 23:40 | < Soren> | Heh. I doubt it would be game-legal, but it would look very, very nice. |
| 23:41 | < Soren> | Once or twice. Iām pretty solitary in my nerdery. |
| 23:41 | < Ced23Ric> | Would you accept me? ;_; |
| 23:42 | < Soren> | Probably! |
| 23:42 | < Ced23Ric> | :D |
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