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| 03:09 | <&McMartin> | https://blog.zarfhome.com/2025/01/the-visible-zorker |
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| 18:47 | < abudhabi> | What's the state of the art regarding aggregating chats into one application? |
| 18:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi: first of all, just imagine me laughing bitterly for, like, an hour before answering |
| 18:48 | < abudhabi> | I've been looking into Pidgin, but without plugins its seems extremely limited (basically, only thing I can use out of the box is IRC). Plugins seem outdated by years. |
| 18:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | but probably, these days, Beeper, either as a third-party service or self-hosted. |
| 18:48 | <&ToxicFrog> | Pidgin and Bitlbee used to be best in class but IME have bitrotted pretty severely at this point. |
| 18:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | My personal approach is weechat, with native plugins for services that have them, and an IRC<->matrix<->beeper bridge for everything else, which is a contraption of all time but it does mostly work most of the time |
| 18:52 | < abudhabi> | How much setup and maintenance does beeper need? |
| 18:53 | < abudhabi> | Beeper bridge, I mean. |
| 18:53 | < abudhabi> | (You can use any client compatible with the matrix protocol, yes?) |
| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | Depends on the bridge, different bridges require different amounts of care and feeding. |
| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | You also need a matrix server you have admin permissions on to connect them to -- the connection graph is (any matrix client)<-matrix client-server protocol->(matrix server)<-matrix appservice protocol->(one or more bridges)<-unspeakable horrors->(other chat systems) |
| 18:55 | <&ToxicFrog> | (assuming of course you are going the self-hosting route and not just using beeper-as-a-service) |
| 18:56 | <&ToxicFrog> | I found beeper-discord and beeper-googlechat fairly easy to set up, the hard part for me was bridging matrix to IRC. |
| 18:56 | < abudhabi> | (I'm not so desperate as to feed an online service my passwords for other sites.) |
| 18:57 | <&ToxicFrog> | On the matrix server side, conduit is low-resource-cost and easy to set up, but also doesn't support legacy versions of the matrix protocol which rules out the use of a bunch of clients for it that haven't updated yet. I haven't tried other matrix servers. |
| 18:58 | <&ToxicFrog> | (I can confirm it works with Element and M51 and doesn't work with weechat-matrix, those are the only ones I've test) |
| 19:05 | < abudhabi> | Hmmm. Ideally, I would like to merge IRC (clearly you're connected, so it works), Signal, Mattermost (Slack is equivalent, right?), Discord and Facebook. Probably not Twitter, since I don't use that as a chat service. |
| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | In my case I'm connected to IRC through my IRC client and everything else is subordinate to that |
| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | I don't know what setups are available for wiring IRC to matrix, or if beeper even has a bridge for that |
| 19:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | I know they have working bridges for discord and googlechat, and I believe they have a signal bridge, don't know about the others |
| 19:19 | < abudhabi> | Do I need an account if I'm running all of this on my own machine? |
| 19:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | an account with....? |
| 19:42 | < abudhabi> | Beeper. |
| 20:15 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oh. No, that's only if you want beeper-as-a-service. |
| 20:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | For self-hosting it's just, install your distro packages (or build it yourself from github), fire up the daemon, perform the necessary ritual to connect it to your matrix server. |
| 20:31 | < abudhabi> | Hm. I need to compile conduit from source, apparently? |
| 20:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | Maybe? It's packaged for at least some distros, I don't know if they publish official binaries. |
| 20:49 | <&ToxicFrog> | Last time I had to build it from source (which was, admittedly, a while ago) it went smoothly, at least. |
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