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| 01:23 | <@celticminstrel> | > meanwhile hates on sites that show popups when you select text. |
| 01:23 | <@celticminstrel> | Skype does that too. It always surprises me even tho it's been doing it forever now. |
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| 08:47 | < abudhabi> | And is it just me, or is Twitter particularly leaky of late? |
| 08:47 | < abudhabi> | I need to Ctrl+F5 several times a day in order to be able to type reasonably fast. |
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| 08:56 | < sshine> | leaky? |
| 08:56 | < sshine> | oh, as in memory |
| 09:02 | < abudhabi> | Yes. |
| 09:07 | <&[R]> | People still use Twitter? |
| 09:08 | < abudhabi> | People still use IRC. :V |
| 09:08 | < sshine> | I used it a long time ago, but decided I don't want to be on platforms that can cancel me. when it got acquired as X, I recreated an account, but the format doesn't interest me much. I only used it for networking with functional programmers back then, and I don't do that much now that I've switched to Rust. |
| 09:09 | <&[R]> | IRC isn't attached to a rocketsled towards implosion |
| 09:10 | < sshine> | in Denmark we had this guy who would constantly protest against muslim immigration. for a good year or two, he was all anyone could talk about because he put the police to work protecting him from people who quite literally wanted to kill him, preserving his right to free speech, but limiting the damage he could cause in neighborhoods. |
| 09:10 | < sshine> | I feel like hating on Elon Musk causes that same pitchfork brigade mentality. |
| 09:11 | < sshine> | nothing scares me more than people collectively agreeing to hate someone. |
| 09:12 | <&[R]> | Hate the haters. He's a hater. |
| 09:12 | < sshine> | that makes you a hater. |
| 09:12 | <&[R]> | I don't actually care enough |
| 09:13 | <&[R]> | I just think he's an idiot who's fucking up a white elephant he bought |
| 09:14 | < sshine> | I have enough things to hate. like incompetent leadership where I work, general apathy, my inability to adjust my own fitness function arbitrarily. I don't need another thing. |
| 09:14 | <&[R]> | That's fair |
| 09:16 | < sshine> | the only thing I use Twitter/X for is following politics, which seems to just fuel that. I guess there may be more interesting communities on the platform, but I just rarely end up there and think I spent my time well. in spite of Reddit's gradual enshittification, I still find out people's contributions are more worthwhile. |
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| 10:48 | < abudhabi> | I consume almost entirely the output of people I follow on Twitter, rather than the algorithmic swill it occasionally happens to try to feed me. |
| 10:48 | < abudhabi> | ("Following" vs "For you". This setting gets reset sometimes, to me irritation.) |
| 10:48 | < abudhabi> | *my |
| 10:54 | < abudhabi> | A snapshot from just now: Russian meme account, French historian, personal acquaintance, Danish academic, online physician, 1/h bird photo account, fringe nutritionist, population trend tracker, British academic, Polish weirdo. |
| 10:56 | < abudhabi> | The changes over the years have been kind of a mixed bag, but I agree that it's going downhill. 😐 |
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| 13:28 | <@celticminstrel> | I technically use Twitter still, but ever since the old external client broke, I haven't really kept up with things there. I just check occasionally or if something links me there. |
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| 13:29 | <@celticminstrel> | Probably because it's leaky, I never liked keeping a Twitter tab open and preferred using a separate client. |
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| 18:36 | < Alek> | hating the haters sounds like the tolerance paradox. |
| 18:36 | <&[R]> | Very much so |
| 18:36 | <&[R]> | Leaving the haters alone means they take over and everything's just pointless hate |
| 18:36 | < Alek> | quite |
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| 18:52 | < Emmy> | Tolerance is not a paradox. It's a contract |
| 18:53 | <&[R]> | "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them." |
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| 20:11 | <@ErikMesoy> | It's not that deep. Popper is playing bait-and-switch games with two different meanings of "tolerant". You can tell because for example the witch coven that tried to curse Kavanaugh was intolerant(1) and received tolerance(2) and this did not lead to the disappearance of tolerance in America. |
| 20:27 | <@macdjord> | ErikMesoy: ? |
| 20:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | Emmy: "tolerance is not a moral precept, it's a peace treaty" is the formulation I'm familiar with (and prefer) |
| 20:38 | < Emmy> | ToxicFrog, also works. less transactional, perhaps |
| 20:40 | < Emmy> | Either way, it results in those not abiding by the conditions of tolerance not being covered by said tolerance |
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