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| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | [R]: the sound of a MIDI file is tied very tightly to the playback system; MIDI files are mostly just scores. So if you're trying to capture a specific sound you'll need to find the right soundfont or General MIDI emulator to match your target. |
| 04:07 | <&McMartin> | If you want it to sound like it did on DOS, you probably need the OPL2 version of the soundtrack, not the MIDI one. |
| 04:08 | <&McMartin> | Meanwhile, watching a video in background of someone making a .MOD file |
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| 14:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: in terms of actual software, you probably want to use fluidsynth, which can both play the file or render it to disk. You will need an appropriate soundfont as well. |
| 14:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | IIRC Doom came with General MIDI, OPL2 (SoundBlaster), and Gravis Ultrasound modes; pick one of the first two (third is also an option but more complicated) + an appropriate soundfont. |
| 15:20 | <&[R]> | Ah thanks |
| 15:21 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I was curious what was going on, Doom supposedly had its own format, so I'm curious why they're .mid files |
| 15:22 | <&[R]> | Not sure if deutex is doing conversion or something. Was also trying to find a tool to see if I could list the contents of the WAD to confirm if a conversion was happening |
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| 15:25 | <&[R]> | Did all three of my responses come through? |
| 15:33 | <@ErikMesoy> | Yes. |
| 15:35 | <&[R]> | TY |
| 15:57 | <&[R]> | McM: I actually reread your message. When mpv plays the files, they don't even have a tune, it's just noise. |
| 15:58 | <&[R]> | timidity plays silence, complaining about missing instruments, I suspect I need to configure timidity |
| 16:03 | <&[R]> | Okay, gzdoom shipped with a soundfont file, didn't see a need to use a different one |
| 16:04 | <&[R]> | mpv now sort of sounds like there's a tune, but it's still completely alien to how timidity plays it |
| 16:08 | <&[R]> | mpv's behavior just threw me for a loop it seems |
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| 17:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: Doom's MUS format is basically MIDI with some data that Doom doesn't use or can assume to be invariant stripped out, and a few other tweaks like wider dynamic range |
| 17:07 | <&ToxicFrog> | Usually MIDI is used for mastering and then midi2mus to pack it into the wad, and mus2midi when unpacking |
| 17:07 | <&[R]> | Ah |
| 17:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | (or, well, I think both of those tools have been supplanted by more modern ones, and if you're targeting gzdoom you can just use ogg, but you get the idea) |
| 17:11 | <&[R]> | Fair |
| 17:11 | <&[R]> | I think freedoom at least wants to work on stricter source ports |
| 17:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | As for midi support in MPV, my understanding is that mpv doesn't actually support midi natively, it just hands it off to ffmpeg, and ffmpeg in turn uses libmodplug for it (if it was built with that), and libmodplug goes "I'm a tracker player, jim, not a MIDI sequencer" and invokes tiMIDIty to do the actual playing |
| 17:12 | <&[R]> | Blasphemy is slightly looser |
| 17:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | There are a lot of steps in that chain where things could go wrong |
| 17:12 | <&[R]> | Yeah |
| 17:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | And yeah, freedoom, and any other WAD that wants to keep vanilla or limit-removing compatibility, will include MUS format music in the wad |
| 17:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | With the original masters as MIDI |
| 17:12 | <&[R]> | I know that mpv was at some point sending it to timidity, given I had to set an env-var to point it to the installed configuration |
| 17:13 | <&[R]> | Ah |
| 17:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | (or if it's a PWAD it may include no music at all and let the music from whatever IWAD you're using play) |
| 17:14 | <&[R]> | s/blashpemy/blasphemer/ |
| 17:15 | <&[R]> | Looks like that uses .mus, something I'll have to look into later, Dad's nearly here |
| 17:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | And since MUS is just Weird MIDI, playback in-game is going to be heavily engine- and system-dependent -- e.g. gzdoom contains seven different MIDI renderers, some of which are self-contained and some of which require external soundfonts, plus whatever your operating system offers for MIDI support which can be anywhere from "nothing" to "another three or four options" |
| 17:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | And the sound for all of those is potentially quite different |
| 17:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | I suspect this degree of complication was a significant factor in why MIDI got ditched so completely as soon as games started shipping on CD~ |
| 17:17 | <&[R]> | Descent II had both redbook and midi music |
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| 17:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Betrayal at Krondor also. |
| 17:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | Although the redbook music didn't loop, which was a problem. |
| 17:53 | <&ToxicFrog> | But that was a fairly short transitional period. |
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| 20:00 | <@gnolam> | https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/112350862604039364 |
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