| --- Log opened Wed Jul 12 00:00:21 2023 |
| 01:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Today's cursed bug report (in, thankfully, not my code): on some computers, moving the game to a steam library that is not on the same physical disk as the steam install itself causes massive lag affecting graphics, input, audio, and framerate whenever the game checks achievements. |
| 01:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Moving it back to the library colocated with Steam fixes it. |
| 01:54 | <@macdjord|slep> | gnolam, Reiver: The last thing I want to hear from, say, the guys designing my airplane's flight control system is 'agile methodology'~ |
| 01:55 | < Mahal> | Nothing wrong with agile methodology in airplane software design, so long as there is also COMPREHENSIVE QA and testing and so on. |
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| 02:59 | <&McMartin> | My usual rule of thumb is that agile is indicated in circumstances where the client does not know what they want, but does know that they need it by next Tuesday |
| 03:00 | <&McMartin> | They won't get what they want by next Tuesday, but they'll have something and the process will continue and this is probably the best chance they *have* of getting what they want. |
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| 03:37 | | * Reiver nods to McM |
| 03:38 | <&Reiver> | While the so-called Waterfall is for when you have been given a document that details *exactly* what is needed because you have shown up to be handed the work after the analysts and engineers have already spent several months in meeting rooms hashing out what exactly is needed. Or, potentially, the software vendors. Or the regulators. Or the driver spec. Or... |
| 03:39 | <&Reiver> | I absolutely get why agile made a big song and dance; there are entire segments of industry that the problem Agile solves is, like, the Standard Problem For Their Domain |
| 03:39 | | * Mahal nods |
| 03:40 | < Mahal> | We are currently forcing An Huge Project at work *into* waterfall because Agile is very very very very blatantly inappropriate |
| 03:40 | <&McMartin> | Ironically, Test-Driven Development usually gets thrown in with Agile, but IME it is best (to the level of "is only any good at") replicating a spec that already exists and is firmly established and entrenched |
| 03:40 | <&Reiver> | But the evangelists have always frustrated me in, ahem, over-selling it. I work *quite a bit* in the 'build to spec' world, and frankly put we have to plan our Go-lives very precisely, tyvm |
| 03:40 | < Mahal> | we have done this after some "let's just YOLO ahead" problems |
| 03:41 | <&Reiver> | McMartin: I suspect it gets thrown into Agile in the "If you're gonna Agile *this* stuff, you *really really need this bit too*" logic, even though it is frankly an excellent setup for everything in that space |
| 03:41 | <&McMartin> | I have had people try to train me to evangelize for software and processes in the past |
| 03:41 | <&McMartin> | It literally included the instructions to pretend to think about whatever use case and then invariably suggest the thing you want |
| 03:41 | <&McMartin> | Suggesting anything else is morally equivalent to covering for your cocaine-snorting coworker so he can go off and snort more coke |
| 03:42 | <&McMartin> | I have a low opinion of software evangelists |
| 03:44 | <&McMartin> | But in neither case there am I doing more than paraphrasing |
| 03:50 | <&Reiver> | jfc |
| 03:58 | <&McMartin> | And while this was not an official FSF document in this case, I do _recognize the technique_ and kind of feel like these guys could not upsell someone vacationing in the Sahara on A/C |
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| --- Log closed Thu Jul 13 00:00:23 2023 |