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| 03:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | why is making menus in gzdoom so complicated |
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| 04:51 | <&McMartin> | Sounds like GUI programming |
| 08:23 | < catalyst> | GUI programming is annoyingly complicated |
| 08:43 | <&McMartin> | "Not only full of spiders, but made of spiders; and those spiders are, themselves, made of spiders" |
| 08:44 | < catalyst> | I'm one of the spiders |
| 08:44 | <&McMartin> | Fiddling with Amiga stuff has reminded me that BBC BASIC actually exposed the core OS on the Archie enough that you could do full GUI event handling and stuff without ever leaving BASIC |
| 08:44 | < catalyst> | I'm annoyed at how much I know about windows GUI programming |
| 08:44 | <&McMartin> | Which is pretty wild from this side of the Atlantic |
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| 08:45 | <&McMartin> | I enjoyed my dumb project where I built a like 5KB Win32 GUI program |
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| 08:48 | < catalyst> | I keep getting paid for it, which is odd to me |
| 08:48 | < catalyst> | but I think I enjoy what my job is |
| 08:49 | < catalyst> | McMartin: I'm half convinced you're Chris Sawyer |
| 09:03 | <&McMartin> | I don't know who that is but I'm not him |
| 09:04 | < catalyst> | the man who insisted on writing everything in assembly well into the DirectX age (creator of rollercoaster/transport tycoon and locomotion |
| 09:04 | < catalyst> | ) |
| 09:07 | <&McMartin> | Oh yeah, no |
| 09:07 | <&McMartin> | I'm very explicit about why not to do this |
| 09:07 | <&McMartin> | But now I have to check on something real quick |
| 09:08 | <&McMartin> | OK, no, the really ill-advised DOS asm book I have is by someone else |
| 09:09 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, the asm thing is mostly a way to keep myself honest when I play with old computers: it's a way to say "I have definitely written a thing that is *for this platform* instead of merely used someone's toolchain" |
| 09:09 | <&McMartin> | And it's pretty amusing, in a way, to see how I relax the standard "every byte in this executable is there because I put it there" as time goes on. |
| 09:10 | <&McMartin> | 8-bit carts? Kinda have to. Spectrum? TZX format is simple enough and the custom BASIC loader is pretty easy to specify. C64, Apple II? Same. DOS? .COM format gives you that for free. |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | DOS .EXE, Atari .PRG, Amiga Hunk, anything ELF or COFF? hell no, feed it to the binutils |
| 09:11 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of GUI stuff though I'm still wavering on how much I want to actually contend with Workbench on the Amiga project. |
| 09:12 | <&McMartin> | Really taking over all the graphics and sound seems to require being a boot disk and that's kind of a bummer, so the question will be how much shenanigans I can get up to without needing to do that. |
| 09:12 | <&McMartin> | Hard drives, it turns out, are pretty great |
| 09:54 | < Pinkhair> | Workbench is great. |
| 09:55 | < Pinkhair> | Though I suppose it depends a lot on what you are trying to do. |
| 10:10 | < catalyst> | I'm trying to be awake enough to work |
| 10:10 | < catalyst> | will it help with that |
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| 15:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: it is, in fact, GUI programming, except it's actually worse than most of my GUI programming experiences because most of the documentation doesn't exist |
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| 19:17 | <~Vornicus> | heck. |
| 19:17 | <~Vornicus> | So I've been thinking on a rant and demonstration of a very mathy concept this past two weeks |
| 19:19 | <~Vornicus> | then Grant from 3Blue1Brown, a very well produced math youtube, announces they're doing the summer of math expo again this year. |
| 19:19 | <~Vornicus> | ...Heck. |
| 19:28 | <&McMartin> | Can you present via zoom? |
| 19:29 | <~Vornicus> | well, the usual format is youtube video |
| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | Pinkhair: Did you actually use Amigas as daily drivers back in the day? |
| 19:29 | <~Vornicus> | the worst bit is that the math is about *graphics* |
| 19:33 | <~Vornicus> | and I have an image in my mind thinking about my math thing and oh boy it's a good image |
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