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| 22:05 | <&[R]> | What's the term for modifying an application you don't have the source for? |
| 22:05 | | * [R] has some abandonware he wants to modify |
| 22:06 | <&[R]> | It's a WFC? program running through WINE, but I can boot a VM if I need to |
| 22:07 | < Emmy> | reverse engineering? |
| 22:10 | <&[R]> | Time to learn to use ghidra, I guess |
| 22:10 | <&McMartin> | R: "modding" covers that case as well as the case where you do have the source |
| 22:11 | <&[R]> | Yeah, won't be getting source unfortunately |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | It's not technically ROM Hacking if it shipped on rewritable media |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | Did you mean MFC up there? |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | If so you may end up with reasonable-quality decompilation, since a lot of key stuff will have to be documented at DLL boundaries. |
| 22:11 | <&McMartin> | Good luck. |
| 22:12 | <&[R]> | Windows Foundation Classes |
| 22:13 | <&[R]> | Oh wait, the DLLs are MFC |
| 22:13 | <&McMartin> | I am aware of Microsoft Foundation Classes and Windows Template Library but not Windows Foundation Classes |
| 22:13 | <&McMartin> | Anyway |
| 22:13 | <&McMartin> | MFC is C++ but it's C++ used in a very java-y way |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | ATL, WTL, etc. are template libraries tend to involve the equivalent of 17 layers of macro madness between the source code and the binary and reconstruction of such code is extremely difficult |
| 22:14 | <&McMartin> | *are template libraries and as such tend to |
| 22:19 | <&[R]> | Yeah, I derped |
| 22:19 | | * [R] is not a Windows person, hence "running through WINE" |
| 22:24 | | * McMartin nods |
| 22:24 | <&McMartin> | I mean, people who run stuff on Windows often won't know these things either |
| 22:24 | <&McMartin> | I've been at least Windows-adjacent for a long time though |
| 22:25 | <&McMartin> | I use very few MS-peculiar technologies, but I've worked with it low level for a long time and I appreciate it for what it is these days. |
| 22:26 | <&McMartin> | I'd say "that's changing since my hobby project lately has been learning DirectX 9", but Mesa carries a D3D9 implementation inside of it and has for a while now |
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