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| 00:50 | < Alek> | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/357063673266831371/881816213062311936/video0.mp4 |
| 00:50 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I have Civ1-3 on CD. Not sure where the discs got to tho. |
| 00:50 | < Alek> | how about the Sim City series? |
| 00:51 | <@celticminstrel> | I have at least two versions of SimCity but I don’t remember details. I also have SimIsle and a couple of other SimWhatever games. |
| 00:51 | <@celticminstrel> | I wonder if those are on GoG… |
| 00:52 | < Alek> | I have a 3.5" of SimAnt somewhere, I'm pretty sure. |
| 00:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Yeah, me too, tho I have nothing that can read those anymore. |
| 00:52 | < Alek> | also Sid Meier's Pirates! on something, I think. |
| 00:52 | <@celticminstrel> | I think I also copied it onto a hard drive so it’s fine, but still. |
| 00:52 | < Alek> | I think Pirates! is also on a 3.5" |
| 00:52 | <@celticminstrel> | Well, SimCity 2000 and 3000 are on GoG. |
| 00:53 | <@celticminstrel> | No SimAnt or SimIsle tho. |
| 00:53 | <@celticminstrel> | Pretty sure there’s at least one SimCity before 2000 as well? |
| 00:53 | <@celticminstrel> | If so it’s not on GoG either. |
| 01:10 | <&McMartin> | That one was called "SimCity" |
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| 01:12 | <~Vornicus> | then there was simcity 2000 and simcity 3000 and simcity 4 and simcity 5 and let's not forget simtown and simlife and simearth and simant |
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| 01:13 | <&McMartin> | We aren't; those are the ones that aren't on GoG. |
| 01:14 | <&McMartin> | ... on the other hand, a thing that *is* on GoG, and which I didn't realize was on PC in the first place: Metal Gear Solid |
| 01:15 | <&McMartin> | I, uh, find myself curious how they implemented the Psycho Mantis fight |
| 01:16 | <~Vornicus> | I actually played it on PC! |
| 01:17 | <~Vornicus> | yeah you needed some alternate input |
| 01:17 | <&Reiver> | what |
| 01:18 | <~Vornicus> | in Metal Gear Solid there's a boss fight with a character named Psycho Mantis. He, uh, can read your thoughts |
| 01:19 | <~Vornicus> | which is to say that he has perfect counters for all your moves but only if you are using your default input device |
| 01:19 | < catalyst> | (on playstation you plug the controller into the second slot) |
| 01:21 | <&McMartin> | He also studied your save cartridge and taunted you regarding other games it had evidence you played. |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | Hideo Kojima had a lot of ideas about how games should work that sound hilarious on paper and produce stories after the fact but pretty much his entire career from Snatcher through Death Stranding exclusive every time he's opened his mouth I have had the urge to punch it shut. |
| 01:23 | <&Reiver> | ... what |
| 01:23 | <&Reiver> | What if you only have one input device |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | You unplug it and plug it into Port 2. |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | This is the intended *unique* solution. |
| 01:23 | <&Reiver> | Is this established at any point as a good idea |
| 01:23 | <&McMartin> | Kojima is an auteur |
| 01:24 | <&McMartin> | (And still has that attitude towards Death Stranding, but his writing about that project struck me as significantly healthier) |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | I'm not sure what you mean by "is this established at any point as a good idea" |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | If you mean "does this ever factor into any other point of the game": no |
| 01:34 | <&McMartin> | If you mean "did the broader game design community think this was a good idea": no, though as noted it does become the kind of story where it's hilarious that someone else did it |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | If you mean "did the game give you any indication that this was what to do": yes, and in a manner I felt was too hamfisted, at least in the English version. |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | You can call back to base at any time, including in the middle of bossfights, and get hints |
| 01:35 | <&McMartin> | He spends five calls just yammering about irrelevant garbage and then says "plug your controller into the other port" |
| 01:36 | <&McMartin> | They could have *easily* spent a couple of those five calls hinting that you needed to formulate your battle intentions using some alternate channel that the dude will have more trouble detecting |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | (This is also the game, but not the series, that included a sniper duel with an extremely old person, and one way to defeat him was to save your game and then come back two weeks later, system clock time, at which point he would have died of old age) |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | (er, the series but not the game) |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | (That, however, was not intended as the real way to defeat him.) |
| 01:37 | <&McMartin> | (While with Psycho Mantis, beating him with Port 1 inputs is basically a glitch) |
| 01:38 | <~Vornicus> | there's also one boss that you can avoid fighting by shooting their handler and then them as they cross a tarmac in a wheelchair earlier in the game |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | There's also the recurring antagonist whom you can kill in the prequel |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | Which ends the game with the message TIME PARADOX and grants the achievement "Problem Solved, Series Over" |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | I actually appreciated that one |
| 01:39 | <~Vornicus> | hahaha |
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| 05:17 | | * Reiver swears at Excel |
| 05:18 | <&Reiver> | Is tehre any way to *deliberately* trigger the Text Import Wizard? |
| 05:18 | <&Reiver> | I need to delimit this sodding text but it seems quite happy to accept it as Pure Text and it's not helping >_> |
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| 08:18 | <@macdjord|away> | Reiver: I think the paste button on the ribbon has a dropdown which offers it? |
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| 08:25 | <&Reiver> | not that I can see ;_; |
| 08:51 | <@macdjord|slep> | Reiver: I'm pretty sure there's an option for it, but I don't *have* Excel on this machine, just LibreOffice Calc. |
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| 09:05 | <@TheWatcher> | Reiver: paste text into a column, Data tab, "Text to columns" button |
| 09:43 | <&Reiver> | ... they changed the fuckin name |
| 09:43 | <&Reiver> | ty |
| 09:43 | <&Reiver> | You are a scholar and a gentleman as always, sir |
| 09:50 | <~Vornicus> | that's been the name for almost as long as I've been using excel, so |
| 09:51 | <&Reiver> | I'm used to only touching Text Import Wizard |
| 09:51 | <&Reiver> | I may have simply not known it otherwise |
| 09:51 | <&Reiver> | I do not pretend to be a guru at the thing, I just know enough to get into trouble~ |
| 09:52 | <@TheWatcher> | I think that goes for most excel users other than Vorn and Myst ;) |
| 09:54 | <~Vornicus> | I won't pretend to know most of excel but I can get a lot more done in it than anyone I know other than maybe myst. |
| 09:56 | <~Vornicus> | I know what every button does though and why I'd use them, but there's a deep deep layer lurking underneath |
| 09:56 | < Mahal> | I get lost somewhere around macros |
| 09:57 | < Mahal> | and I dno't have any usecases to need pivot tables |
| 09:57 | < Mahal> | and there's a lot of things that I don't know enough *math* to know how to use Excel to do |
| 10:08 | <&Reiver> | I have messed about with pivot tables a fair bit, they are a poor mans data aggregation |
| 10:09 | <&Reiver> | But you have to be at the 'interpreting data' point in an organisation - management, analysts - to give a flying fuck about their capabilities |
| 10:09 | <~Vornicus> | I use pivot tables far more often than I thought I would |
| 10:09 | <&Reiver> | Yeah, they're pretty great when you're trying to quickly make sense of data or patterns or |
| 10:09 | <&Reiver> | They are less useful for Actual Math (though even then, depends on what you're making sense of) |
| 10:09 | <&Reiver> | As a DBA I have occasionally dumped data into pivot tables to play with it |
| 10:10 | <&Reiver> | Though ofc there is a habit for this data to usually come from a database |
| 10:10 | < [RMS]> | They ever fix that bug where excel irrevocably destroys data? |
| 10:10 | <&Reiver> | And then, well, I have SQL don't I |
| 10:10 | <&Reiver> | Never heard of it, don't actually care, ironically enough |
| 10:10 | <&Reiver> | My use case for Excel is almost without exception as an ephermial data manipulation tool |
| 10:10 | <&Reiver> | Most of my worksheets never even get *saved* |
| 10:11 | <~Vornicus> | srs, my onedrive has book1 through book27 because I'm farting around on it on my phone and it autosaves |
| 10:12 | <&Reiver> | exactly |
| 10:12 | <&Reiver> | I work in databases |
| 10:12 | <&Reiver> | Excel is not where you keep data |
| 10:12 | <&Reiver> | Excel is a storage format and data minipulation tool you use to massage information into a format you can keep it somewhere *properly*~ |
| 10:13 | < [RMS]> | https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/85261/report-finds-microsoft-excel-causes-errors-20-percent-genomics-studies |
| 10:14 | <~Vornicus> | oh, that thing. not really a bug |
| 10:21 | <&Reiver> | ... that's not irrecoverably destroying data |
| 10:24 | <~Vornicus> | yes, you can indeed also fix it (though you have to have some sense of what excel is doing) |
| 10:26 | <&Reiver> | It's also, as Vorn says, not a bug (Although I admit it would sure be nice if 'General' was not quite so... aggressive) |
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| 17:18 | < Alek> | I dunno about other systems, but I know the Genesis had a few games whose cheat codes had to be entered on controller 2. single-player games. |
| 17:19 | < Alek> | so there's related precedent for Psycho Mantis. |
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| 18:35 | <@celticminstrel> | Cheat codes are quite different from something that’s required to beat the game tho. |
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| 18:42 | < Alek> | I know |
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| 21:08 | <&McMartin> | Today I learned about the existence of https://oldweb.today/ |
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| 22:35 | <@sshine> | McMartin, cool |
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