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| 00:05 | < Yossarian> | I know <Mahal> I can't imagine that ever happening |
| 00:05 | < Yossarian> | oh |
| 00:05 | < Yossarian> | <Mahal> I can't imagine that ever happening |
| 00:07 | < Yossarian> | I mean, there have been eurodance releases that have the vocals isolated as the third track on the CD / release and the beats are simple and can be reproduced with drum machine, synth lines if any and not on the isolated vox track incl. can be reproduced to some degree -- but what I'm talking about is a little crazy I guess. |
| 00:08 | < Yossarian> | It's like having 5.1 for stereo kinda but having the tracks mixed via software but yeah there is always going to be outboard gear thank goodness |
| 00:10 | < Yossarian> | assuming the tracks are mixed and mastered, a release where each song is a multi-track song where despite the hard changes in the song, being able to adjust the EQ / volume / mute / effect to each track would be more reasonable, I guess... mixing and ultimately the mastering process is to target a specific release medium; what if your release medium is digital file, not a physical one? |
| 00:11 | < Mahal> | yeah, I know what you're talking about, I just can't imagine the music companies _ever_ releasing that sort of control over the released files |
| 00:11 | < Mahal> | it's not a technological point it's a market one |
| 00:12 | < Yossarian> | i assume a mastering process still takes place to make finishing touches because no way the master be single medium release, i'm not too familiar with mastering process but think of it as final mix |
| 00:13 | < Yossarian> | oh fuck music companies, man |
| 00:14 | < Yossarian> | I was thinking of some sort of artsy or indie band doing something like this, only disadvantage to allow isolation or giving people individual track data is they can sample your stuff or learn to play it themselves easier by listening? The Rockband / Guitar Hero games have done wonders in giving us isolated tracks for each instrument, god bless the rhythm games |
| 00:14 | < Yossarian> | it's unpractical but it sounds like it might be a neat idea, just because one can |
| 00:17 | < Yossarian> | unpractical because store extra track instead of a single contiguous stereo audio file with hard mixing done to each track, the end user can do a coupla interesting things - might be better than just regular equalization in terms of bringing instruments to the "front / back" of a particular overall output and "soundstage" |
| 00:17 | < Yossarian> | storing all the tracks for the song make the song bigger |
| 00:23 | <&McMartin> | I could see someone like Bandcamp making this an option, but you'd need something more separate than FLAC to really do it justice |
| 00:23 | <&McMartin> | I dunno how many artists would want to ship like that, or even be able to given how they record |
| 01:02 | < Yossarian> | and let us say the tracks will be grouped up, so one song won't have the bajillion guitar overdubs... the rhythm, lead, vox, vox backup, drums, bass |
| 01:04 | < Yossarian> | but yeah it's a weird thing for me to ask, hence my asking... because music as it has been made into records -- you have an end result you want to be heard, it's supposed to be mixed well and wrapped up but not always the case... loudness wars and that whole thing with that band I don't listen to but they're popular... Metallica's Death Magnetic which the mixing was super tarded. It |
| 01:04 | < Yossarian> | would be akin to if I mixed it the way it was released |
| 01:05 | < Yossarian> | but something like multi-track songs for manipulation during playtime would just be a kinda neat experiment I guess... would have compatibility issues with probably most software and lots of old music players and even newer ones |
| 01:07 | <&Reiver> | Multi-track songs exist in various videogames |
| 01:07 | < Yossarian> | cuz multi-tracks have been released through the rockband / rhythm games like I alluded to or some of these have been packed in single file but multi-track file (audacity it was .moog? multiple ogg?) and that's how it was packaged from download |
| 01:07 | < Yossarian> | no sansa clip+ is gonna play that file, lol |
| 01:07 | <&Reiver> | Go try out The Kings Bird and take a look at how it odes it |
| 01:23 | < Yossarian> | Reiver: is that the video game? I know about multi-track files, I mean 5.1 mixes are apart of that but I don't know many people who have albums mixed in quadrophonic or 5.1, but they do get made or some albums get remixed to 5.1. Kind of the same idea except output for the purposes I'm talking about is all mixed to stereo but with multi-track songs, you could use the player to divert a |
| 01:23 | < Yossarian> | channel to a specific output set, none of this is particularly useful... |
| 01:25 | < Yossarian> | Or it seems unpractical and I'm not sure how niche being into music is... most people who do listen use the worst equipment and don't even know or care about file format or even replaygain settings |
| 01:27 | < Yossarian> | sorry wait, they bought Beats by Dr. Dre, $20 headphones for $180-300 when you could have your choice of studio grade headphones, earbuds, or IEMs (but not moulded to your ear, those are a bit more expensive I think) |
| 01:28 | < Yossarian> | and it's plugged into their Macbook Pro |
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| 01:40 | < Yossarian> | I suppose it is a case of "You could, but should you? Is it marketable? Do people need it? Do people want it?" |
| 01:41 | < Yossarian> | I mean you can increase the presence of a certain instrument simply by adjusting your overall equalizer if the song is muddy for a particular instrument on your audio setup, sometimes EQ can't fix that... |
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| 01:43 | < Yossarian> | But this concept would just be experimental. I've seen albums that were recorded post-Loudness Wars to actually be a bit low in db peaks for more dynamic range |
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| 01:46 | < Yossarian> | and there are quad and 5.1/multichannel stuff, most commerical music is never mixed that way, but sometimes an artist will come back and remix their album for that... Megadeth has done it for Peace Sells... But Who's Buying I believe but my nice nice headphones are my thing, I never had a multichannel setup, that's more reserved for blockbuster movies and theartatrical release stuff |
| 01:51 | < Yossarian> | having a small multichannel rig that isn't a pain in the ass, is acoustically balanced despite changes in position, and uses decent equipment (smallish speakers) is something I'd like to try to evaluate. I figure two L brackets on the back of computer chair with rear speakers, butttt ideally all drivers ought to be same distance from the listener |
| 01:52 | < Yossarian> | otherwise you'll have a bad time, phase problems... to your ears potentially... mathematically though I wonder if there would be a way to mount the chair rear channels on L brackets and do somtehing in software to compensate for them not being the same distance as L R and Center (fuck subwoofer, never met one I particularly liked) |
| 01:54 | < Yossarian> | on such a scale, not sure you could say, slow/delay the audio playback of rear or L R C to comp. for the fact that the rear mounted speakers are closer than L, R, C |
| 01:55 | < Yossarian> | rears mounted like such: https://www.isrtv.com/forums/uploads/monthly_01_2013/post-1936-0-68351400-1357764839.jpg |
| 02:04 | < Yossarian> | and anyway it's better to mount further to let the signal propagate to get dynamics but depending on the room, might get reflections that mess it up, hence why I never messed with 5.0 or 5.1 as a concept but I do wonder if there are good 5.1 album remixes or quadrophonic ones... best stereo experience I had wasn't fancy (50w channel 70s/80s TEAC and can't remember the speakers, they |
| 02:04 | < Yossarian> | were bookshelf 8" driver maybe) and best headphone experiences is $200 |
| 02:07 | < Yossarian> | people trying to develop very small drivers for quadrophonic or 5.0 type headphones but it looked like a lame gimmick, don't think the phones were even big enough; gotta have Beyerdynamic DT-100 or 150 sized drivers, closed ear... maybe even bigger |
| 02:08 | < Yossarian> | and with HMD and VR enabled games and applications, I imagine they have directional audio driving the show software side, so, not sure if it could go as an expensive niche toy |
| 02:14 | < Yossarian> | and finally, this seems interesting: https://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-Headzone-Home-Head-Tracking/dp/B001BAJ09A |
| 02:16 | < Yossarian> | I'm not sure that is being sold by Beyerdynamic officially / bd's amazon store/acct but huh. looks like the headtracking uses ultrasonic but I could be wrong, makes sense if it is an official beyerdynamic thing since they're all audio people |
| 02:29 | < Yossarian> | but I'm pretty much finished thinking out loud about it... has anyone tried batteries that are in traditional physical formats (AA, AAA, 9v) but they're actually Lithium Ion and chargable via USB? |
| 02:31 | < Yossarian> | https://www.amazon.com/BESTON-Lithium-Capacity-Rechargeable-Charging/dp/B07T63X7BZ/ 9v Li-Ion 650mAh. micro-usb charge |
| 02:42 | < Yossarian> | my mother has a electrical stimulation unit that takes this weird battery pack but I found the old unit and it takes 9v battery, I had a switching wallwart that has molex power connector... electrical tape and alligator clips to the contacts inside and bickity bam, I'm your uncle. Portability is sacrificed though. I'm wondering about these standard form batteries that are lithium ion |
| 02:42 | < Yossarian> | and charge via 5vdc or USB |
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| 05:15 | < Yossarian> | Sorry, I got carried away earlier. |
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| 09:12 | < Yossarian> | What is BFP and eBFP? I'm reading but I don't get it. |
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| 09:51 | < Yossarian> | Sincerely, I've read bpf manpage and stuff on eBPF and such and... I don't get it. It seems to be a fancy name for overriding functions some how |
| 09:53 | < Yossarian> | but beyond that i am so confused and tired |
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| 10:23 | < Yossarian> | https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2021/07/20/1 |
| 10:24 | < Yossarian> | but yeah no idea what BFP or eBFP, someone want to try and explain it at some point I'd be grateful... i gotta get some rest, good night! |
| 11:31 | | * TheWatcher stabs the unity devs for arsing around with JSON support |
| 11:38 | < catalyst> | oh |
| 11:38 | < catalyst> | ? |
| 11:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Unity's own internal support for JSON has been shit for ages, so pretty much everyone using JSON seriously ended up using a third-party asset to load Newtonsoft Json.Net. |
| 11:43 | <@TheWatcher> | However, it looks like someone in unity has discovered just how shit their built-in JSON is, and has decided to build their own package for Newtonsoft Json.Net. Fair enough... |
| 11:43 | < catalyst> | oh no |
| 11:43 | <@TheWatcher> | except that they've made it an internal, unsupported extenstion |
| 11:43 | <@TheWatcher> | that is also now a dependency for some actually supported official unity extensions |
| 11:43 | < catalyst> | .-. |
| 11:44 | < catalyst> | if only everyone would move on and use yaml, eh |
| 11:44 | <~Vornicus> | |
| 11:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Unity can't have both their own internal, unsupported package and one of the third party json assets installed simultaneously, because they both contain the newtonsoft .dll files, and unity shits itself seeing both of them |
| 11:47 | <~Vornicus> | having never actually looked at yaml I am now reading its website and holy dang that is a weird style on links |
| 11:48 | <~Vornicus> | they look like this. |
| 11:51 | < catalyst> | toml's another one |
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| 13:23 | <&ToxicFrog> | I would honestly rather use json than yaml just because yaml's indentation-sensitivity makes it way too easy to construct a file that parses fine but says something completely different from what you meant |
| 13:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | (I'd rather use EDN that either though) |
| 13:24 | < catalyst> | honestly JSON is fine |
| 13:25 | < catalyst> | it's far far better than xml at least |
| 13:25 | <@celticminstrel> | Suggestion: Write JSON but give it a .yml extension. |
| 13:25 | < catalyst> | Objection!! |
| 13:25 | <@celticminstrel> | The only incompatibility between JSON and YAML AFAIK is the representation of true/false/null. |
| 13:26 | <@celticminstrel> | And if you use JSON notation in a YAML file, it’s not sensitive to indentation. |
| 13:26 | <@TheWatcher> | Uh, wat |
| 13:27 | <@TheWatcher> | No, they're entirely different formats |
| 13:27 | <@celticminstrel> | Try pasting a JSON file (one that doesn’t contain true/false/null) into an online YAML validator. It works. |
| 13:28 | <@TheWatcher> | As long as you're not using arrays, you mean? |
| 13:29 | <@TheWatcher> | And the YAML parser ignores the { } and quotes for objects? |
| 13:29 | <@TheWatcher> | and the tailing commas? |
| 13:29 | <~Vornicus> | yaml has two ...things |
| 13:29 | <~Vornicus> | you can use explicit symbols |
| 13:29 | <@celticminstrel> | I have no idea what you’re talking about. You can write YAML arrays using [] just like you can write YAML objects using {} |
| 13:30 | <@TheWatcher> | yaml-array: |
| 13:30 | <@TheWatcher> | - valuea |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | - valueb |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | - valuec |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | yaml-object: |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | a-field: "with value" |
| 13:31 | <@TheWatcher> | b-field: 5 |
| 13:33 | <~Vornicus> | "YAML can therefore be viewed as a natural superset of JSON, offering improved human readability and a more complete information model. This is also the case in practice; every JSON file is also a valid YAML file. This makes it easy to migrate from JSON to YAML if/when the additional features are required." - the yaml spec |
| 13:33 | <@celticminstrel> | You can write that as |
| 13:33 | <@celticminstrel> | yaml-array: [valuea, valueb, valuec] |
| 13:33 | <@celticminstrel> | yaml-object: {"a-field":with value,"b-field":5} |
| 13:33 | <@celticminstrel> | (Yeah, it’s JSON-like but the quotes are optional in arrays.) |
| 13:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Isn’t there a way to use non-scalar keys in YAML? I can’t seem to remember it. |
| 13:34 | <@celticminstrel> | Oh, I guess in the JSON style it “just works”… but there’s definitely some way to do it in the flow style too. |
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| 15:58 | < abudhabi__> | Is it possible to somehow install a self-contained second instance of Chrome? |
| 15:59 | < abudhabi__> | I mean, I have Chrome and Chromium already, but I want a third browser because switching accounts is a horrible hassle. |
| 16:00 | < abudhabi__> | And it should be Chrome because that's what works best with Google's teleconference thingy. |
| 16:00 | < abudhabi__> | (This is Linux, BTW.) |
| 16:06 | < abudhabi__> | Hmm. Chromium would work, too, now that I reflect. I now use incognito mode of it and that's fine. Except for the need to log in every time. |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | abudhabi__: google-chrome --user-data-dir=path/to/my/third/instance/data/store |
| 16:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | The user-data-dir is where it stores cache, cookies, browser history, JS localstorage, settings, extensions, basically everything; so running different instances with a different --user-data-dir makes them completely separate from each other. |
| 16:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | (I use this to coexist chromium-as-me and chromium-as-my-daughter on the same account when she needs help with remote schoolwork, but it works with plain chrome too) |
| 16:29 | < abudhabi__> | Ooh, nice. |
| 16:41 | < abudhabi__> | Brilliant, that worked. Thank you! |
| 20:33 | <&McMartin> | https://twitter.com/mifune/status/1373564866443759617 |
| 20:45 | <@gnolam> | ... |
| 20:49 | <@TheWatcher> | That's terrific. |
| 21:04 | <&McMartin> | "I don't know of anyone besides Davis who actually used TempleOS seriously, since Davis—who was diagnosed with schizophrenia—designed it according to principles revealed in manic episodes he interpreted as divine revelation." |
| 21:06 | <&[R]> | It's kind of sad :/ |
| 21:07 | <&McMartin> | It is, and may has soul have found some peace |
| 21:08 | <&McMartin> | It felt jarring in particular to bring that up in the review of another one-man OS project that's gotten far enough to Look Interesting |
| 21:08 | <&McMartin> | Though at least this time the guy is a recovering addict doing this as therapy instead of being literally insane |
| 21:08 | <&McMartin> | An OS that is a sign of Getting Help rather than of Needing Help |
| 21:08 | <&McMartin> | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/not-a-linux-distro-review-serenityos-is-a-unix-y-love-letter-to-the-90s/ |
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