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| 08:07 | <&Reiver> | oh god |
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| 11:14 | <@gnolam> | https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f076ef44a44d02ed91543f820c14c2c7dff53716 |
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| 11:16 | <~Vorntastic> | Goddamn i hate calendar math |
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| 11:41 | <@Tamber> | XD |
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| 12:21 | < catalyst_> | timezones are the enemy |
| 12:21 | < catalyst_> | (and also vitally important and if your try to squash them just keep coming back anyway) |
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| 12:27 | <@Tamber> | There was someone I got in an argument with, a few months back, who is a big advocate of the abolition of timezones and instead everywhere just uses UTC (And adjusts the numbers on their daily schedule to compensate, so they're starting work at the same time but now it's just labelled 03:00 rather than "09:00 UTC-6"; which is one of those ideas that kinda works in [...] |
| 12:27 | <@Tamber> | [...] theory, but is utterly impractical. |
| 12:29 | <@Tamber> | Because ... well, for one, people are going to resist changing even just the arbitrary numbers on their schedule, because it happens every time anyway. And it's not like you can really run the two systems side by side -- like you could with an imperial/metric changeover -- without making the confusion even worse. And then there's all the dates up to the changeover, which [...] |
| 12:29 | <@Tamber> | [...] you still have to know all the zoneinfo for *anyway* in order to deal with them, and... |
| 12:30 | <@Tamber> | So all it really does is create mass annoyance, and just adds another set of lines to the zoneinfo file~ |
| 12:31 | < catalyst> | plus now you have issues determining which day it is locally |
| 12:32 | <@Tamber> | No change there, then. |
| 12:32 | <@Tamber> | ¬¬ |
| 12:32 | < catalyst> | I've seen a number of thought experiments around that kind of thing and in the end they just end up with a janky, half implemented version of the same thing |
| 12:32 | <@Tamber> | yup |
| 12:32 | < catalyst> | which was already pretty hacky x) |
| 12:32 | <@Tamber> | I tried to point this out to him, but he just kept beating me down with "you just HATE PROGRESS! YOU PROBABLY HATE THE METRIC SYSTEM TOO!" and ... alright, dude, carry on living in the lovely cozy world of theory. |
| 12:34 | <@Tamber> | Because out here in the world of PAIN AND DIRT, we've been officially a metric country since... actually, no, we fucked that up multiple times because we can't do anything right, but nevermind. |
| 12:34 | < catalyst> | :D |
| 12:34 | <@Tamber> | But anyway, ostensibly metric country, and yet imperial units are still everywhere. But that's fine, the two can coexist! |
| 12:35 | <@Tamber> | But what do you do when your country is in two timezones at once, during the changeover period? |
| 12:35 | <@Tamber> | Aside from drink heavily until it doesn't matter any more. |
| 12:36 | <@Tamber> | New proposal: Timezones are abolished. In fact, measured and scheduled time is abolished, too. There is only "Yesterday","Earlier", "Now"/"Today", "Later", and "Tomorrow" |
| 12:37 | <@Tamber> | (Because that's all that exists, for me, anyway, so...) |
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| 13:43 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think I've designed myself into a corner where I need to invent closures in postscript to proceed |
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| 14:10 | <~Vorntastic> | You fool |
| 14:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | oh wait |
| 14:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | it turns out postscript function bodies |
| 14:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | are just arrays |
| 14:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | with the executable bit set |
| 14:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | so anything you can do to an array you can do to a function |
| 14:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | and anything that lets you construct arrays can be used to construct functions ex nihilo as long as you `cvx` afterwards to mark it executable |
| 14:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | HERE WE GO |
| 14:12 | <~Vorntastic> | You madman |
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| 15:55 | <@TheWatcher> | https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/nj1f5x/odyssey_renderer_is_broken_details/ oh good gods |
| 16:23 | < catalyst_> | heh, one of those image links is marked NSFW |
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| 16:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | Oooof |
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| 18:03 | <@celticminstrel> | . |
| 18:04 | <~Vornicus> | . |
| 18:04 | <@celticminstrel> | Hi |
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| 22:09 | <&Reiver> | Tamber: There is one aspect to global time I would love to see embraced, and it may well take some cringeworthily trendy new fad to make it happen, but |
| 22:09 | <&Reiver> | I'd like there to be *some* kind of globally accepted Internet Time for live event announcements. I don't care which, I don't care what! |
| 22:10 | <&Reiver> | But I am eternally and furiously frustrated by the tendency of so many (almost inevitably American) places to go "Oh yeah, we'll be doing the Stream at 4pm Mountain Time" and just... expect the world to know what that means |
| 22:10 | <&Reiver> | And then the next guy will announce Eastern |
| 22:10 | <&Reiver> | And another will be Pacific |
| 22:11 | | * Reiver shakesfist at the Americans who seem determined not to use any useful system if they can, at all, possibly help it |
| 22:11 | <&Reiver> | UTC? Even GMT? GMT would be great! UTC would be the most logical! |
| 22:12 | <&Reiver> | But frankly I would prefer to just have it be *something*. I don't care if it's China Time, I don't care if it's Swatch Beats, I would just like to be able to keep track of a) my own timezone, and b) the International Internet Time timezone, so I need only track one set of conversions. |
| 22:13 | | * TheWatcher patpats Reiv |
| 22:16 | <@gnolam> | Reiver: it boggles my mind that people launching things into space apparently can't use UTC. |
| 22:16 | <&Reiver> | Yes, that. |
| 22:16 | <&Reiver> | I don't care if it's UTC. I don't care if it's FREEDOMOCLOCKs. |
| 22:17 | <&Reiver> | I just want everyone to politely track two times (local, international) and thus spare me trying to keep track of *nine*, with DST inevitably messing half of them up anyway, godknows how many others are in the same position |
| 22:18 | <&Reiver> | Let the local stuff be weird! ... Let everyone track their own weirdness to a single global clock. |
| 22:21 | < catalyst> | surely the international Internet timezone *is* UTC? |
| 22:26 | <&Reiver> | catalyst: In theory |
| 22:26 | <&Reiver> | In practice vast numbers of people, including publicists working in a professional capacity, still insist on spouting their own local timezone with no regard to any poor soul that does not live in their or an adajcent timezone, unto the world |
| 22:27 | <&Reiver> | Thus leaving everyone else to figure out nigh-arbitary, frequently changing, timezone adjustments themselves |
| 22:33 | < catalyst> | oh, right |
| 22:39 | <&Reiver> | Now if it's some yokel ot twitch... eh, whatevs |
| 22:40 | <&Reiver> | But when it's a sodding spaceship launch, or a major videogame release, or ... |
| 22:40 | <&Reiver> | These organisations should have someone who bothers to think about this |
| 22:40 | <&Reiver> | But of course, why would they? There's no culturally assumed standard. |
| 22:40 | <&Reiver> | Thus: My rant >_> |
| 23:03 | <@Tamber> | Reiver, I entirely agree with that. |
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