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| 17:09 | <&[R]> | https://twitter.com/DropTheDie/status/1390140004345679872 <-- for those of you who refuse to install an OS |
| 17:28 | < Emmy> | 0.o |
| 17:29 | < Emmy> | that should not be costing 2GB |
| 17:31 | < abudhabi> | Useful! |
| 17:35 | <&[R]> | There's many things Windows shouldn't do Emmy, but it does them. |
| 17:36 | <&[R]> | Did you know it permentantly reserves something like 30% of any network connection so that it can do updates? Even when it's not doing updates? |
| 17:37 | <&[R]> | Or you know, the fact that W10 doesn't need external programs to be installed for you to have spyware |
| 17:42 | < abudhabi> | Hah, I knew that one. |
| 17:42 | < abudhabi> | This tip will be helpful for my work VM. |
| 17:57 | <@TheWatcher> | That reminds me, I need to update the pihole |
| 18:01 | <@TheWatcher> | (interestingly, the pihole also blocks some Unity tracking, too...) |
| 18:10 | <&[R]> | The game engine, Unity? |
| 20:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Yup |
| 20:06 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, the editor at least |
| 20:18 | | * abudhabi starts cleaning up his old lappy that's been delegated to being a monitoring system for baby chicks. |
| 20:19 | < abudhabi> | It doesn't really need WINE, Virtual Box, NetBeans and other sundry crap. I'm amazed some of these things even ran on it. |
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| 20:21 | < abudhabi> | deborphan is a neat tool. |
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| 20:51 | < Mahal> | [R]: you could really stand to educate yourself before shooting off at the mouth about How Evil Windows Is, because all you're doing is making yourself look *ignorant* |
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| 20:51 | < Mahal> | I won't argue the spyware point, mind, but the "zomg windows is STEALING MY BANDWIDTH" is both bullshit and done through the mechanism of QoS, not a permanent reservation at all times. |
| 20:52 | < Mahal> | any sysadmin with a clue is able to manage it accordingly for bandwidth-hungry applications |
| 20:53 | < Mahal> | and given that the average user wouldn't update Windows voluntarily if you paid them, I'm quite happy for the vast array of home devices to prioritise their ability to get security updates |
| 20:55 | < Mahal> | I also don't care whether you like windows or not - it's just a tool, if you don't like it, pick another you like more |
| 20:55 | < Mahal> | I just object to the obvious ignorance being portrayed as fact |
| 21:21 | <&[R]> | So your stance is that "it's a default you can change"? |
| 21:22 | <&[R]> | https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-limit-reservable-bandwidth-in-windows-10-to-increase-download-speeds/ |
| 21:28 | < Mahal> | No, my stance is that QoS is not the same thing as "bandwidth permanently reserved". |
| 21:28 | < Mahal> | And if you don't know what QoS is, go find out, *then* shoot your mouth off. |
| 21:32 | <&[R]> | Okay, so I was misinformed, or am misremembering it |
| 21:34 | <&[R]> | Yeah, Windows XP era advice all phrase it as "this is always on" |
| 21:34 | <&[R]> | Also it was 20% back then |
| 21:37 | < Mahal> | It was still QoS back then, not reserved bandwidth. |
| 21:38 | < Mahal> | in other words, Windows was able to use 20% of your bandwidth to do updates, when it wanted to. The end. |
| 21:39 | < Mahal> | Not "I keep it for myself permanently." |
| 21:40 | <&[R]> | Right |
| 21:41 | <&[R]> | I'm just saying, when I google "Windows XP bandwidth reserved" the phrasing of all the results suggest it's not QoS, though one did mentione QoS, but didn't explain further |
| 21:41 | <&[R]> | Also I'm only aware of QoS as being a switch/router thing |
| 21:42 | < Mahal> | literally *all* the results literally show you *how to change QoS settings*, my dude |
| 21:43 | <&[R]> | "Microsoft Window reserves 20% of your available bandwidth for its own purposes, i.e. Window Updates. Basically, this reduces the speed of the Internet by 20%. This is an old and popular trick on Windows XP. You can simply get that reserved 20% of bandwidth back." |
| 21:43 | <&[R]> | Literal exact phrasing. |
| 21:43 | <&[R]> | From the 1st result |
| 21:44 | <&[R]> | 2nd result: "For their own use, Microsoft by default reserves 20% of your bandwidth for QOS or Quality of Service usage like Windows update. Well I don’t usually use Windows Update on a daily basis and I don’t think a majority of users do, so why reserve a bandwidth for it?" |
| 21:44 | <~Vornicus> | this sounds like a bunch of people that ...don't know what they're doing... |
| 21:44 | < Mahal> | which I believe was my original point |
| 21:45 | <&[R]> | Hence my comment about being misinformed |
| 21:45 | <&[R]> | Which I've appologized for |
| 21:45 | <&[R]> | Modern results are more inline with what Mahal is saying |
| 21:47 | < Mahal> | They were the same in the XP days |
| 21:48 | < Mahal> | It was always QoS not a hard reservation |
| 21:56 | <&[R]> | Which I'm not arguing, I'm just saying the advice from that era clearly didn't grasp that, and that's the era where I heard this |
| 22:54 | | * Reiv eyes that. You seem to have learned a lot about windows that turned out not to be true. |
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| 23:27 | <&[R]> | What else did I get wrong? |
| 23:27 | <@Reiv> | Does there need to be an 'else'? |
| 23:31 | <&[R]> | I mean, if you're going to complain that I'm wrong and not state what, that's on you |
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