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| 12:29 | <@sshine> | heh |
| 12:30 | <@sshine> | our scrum master wants to change the daily stand-up from 08:30 to 12:30 so that our argentinian devops guy can take part without getting up at 04:30. |
| 12:31 | <@sshine> | people are like "we'd love to have a daily meeting with him, but our day kinda starts around that time, so if we don't have a meeting then, that's gonna impact the way we've worked so far." |
| 12:31 | <@sshine> | our lead is sick today and says "whatever decision you make today, I'm cool with it as long as you're cool with it." |
| 12:32 | < catalyst_> | you can change the way you work to accommodate the team surely |
| 12:32 | | catalyst_ is now known as catalyst |
| 12:32 | <@sshine> | so the scrum master (who is a really kind person otherwise) takes the opportunity to strong-arm "let's just move the daily stand-up in spite of everyone saying "we really like to have a morning meeting, the day doesn't officially start until we've done that, this has been our custom for 3 years" |
| 12:33 | <@sshine> | yeah... at this point, we're basically moving the start of the day +4 hours so our devops liaison can join our meetings... surely, getting up at 04:30 is inconvenient, and surely not coordinating until 12:30 is also inconvenient. |
| 12:33 | <@sshine> | everyone else on the team is a junior, and i've worked here for a month. |
| 12:34 | <&ToxicFrog> | My team does the standup just before lunch and it works fine; it means the "day" runs from noon one day to noon on the following day, rather than morning to morning. |
| 12:34 | <@sshine> | ToxicFrog, good to know! |
| 12:34 | < catalyst> | if it being during the day is disruptive, do it in the evening instead |
| 12:35 | <@sshine> | we went over a bunch of alternatives that were either a bit complicated (meet mon-wed-fri, or opt-in for all but lead, etc.), so I'm pretty happy with "let's have the meet that involves the devops guy every day". |
| 12:35 | < catalyst> | well not evening but at the end of the day |
| 12:35 | <&ToxicFrog> | (it also means that if you have a bunch of cruft to deal with -- e.g. an unusually large pile of emails and code reviews, or you need to help the oncall with something, or whatever -- that naturally falls into the morning, so before-standup is "misc small tasks" and after standup is "main work") |
| 12:36 | <@sshine> | so basically, I say "I think we should continue to have our stand-up in the morning", the meeting ends, and the scrum master says "as we concluded, we'll have our stand-up at lunch". meh. |
| 12:36 | < catalyst> | that does sound kinda frustrating |
| 12:36 | <@sshine> | ToxicFrog, I already start work 06:30 and have those two hours to deal with cruft. |
| 12:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 12:36 | < catalyst> | if he's going to unilaterally move it that's fine but don't make it sound like it was the group as a whole's decision |
| 12:37 | <@sshine> | yeah so I'm happy to hear that having stand-ups any time could work. but this story is more about a guy who is not on the team trying to solve a puzzle involving argentinian timezones by changing a tested and preferred meeting schedule for a bunch of people. so in the attempt to welcome Kevin from DevOps, we kinda lose authority over our dev meetings. |
| 12:38 | <@sshine> | catalyst, exactly. :) |
| 12:39 | <@sshine> | also, at this planning meeting, Kevin forgot to show up, so we try to change the schedule to accomodate him, but he's not around. moments after the meeting he starts talking about Scrum definitions and how teams he used to be on had meetings at different times... which is really great to know, but also... doesn't really address the contention point: 1) we really like morning meetings, 2) we want Kevin to |
| 12:39 | <@sshine> | feel welcomed at the smallest cost possible, 3) snatching calendar time from our lead without asking (and after hearing he isn't really in on it, but ok with it), is kinda not cooperative. |
| 12:40 | <@sshine> | #dailydrama |
| 12:40 | < catalyst> | that all sounds like people failing to social |
| 12:40 | <@sshine> | so I did the thing I do when people start bickering on Slack: How about we talk about this on video next time we see each other? (It always helps with a face to calm the nerves.) |
| 12:40 | <@sshine> | totally :) |
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| 12:47 | <@sshine> | ToxicFrog, the team is lead + 2 junior devs + me. one of the junior devs wanted the early meeting to avoid uncertainty. |
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| 22:00 | | * Reiver tries to grapple with hardware specs for a system he knows not at all. |
| 22:00 | <&Reiver> | "Cheapish laptop" and "Wants to run AutoCAD" are not really intended in the same sentence, are they |
| 22:03 | < Mahal> | They are not |
| 22:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Well, they could be |
| 22:16 | <@TheWatcher> | As long as you can append "very slowly" to the latter part~ |
| 22:17 | < Mahal> | Also corre T |
| 22:17 | < Mahal> | Correct |
| 22:27 | | * Reiver has checked back with the brother to check what /exactly/ he intends to be doing with it, so he can then start looking at system specs and quirks (eg, high speed, fewer cores or whatevs) appropriately |
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