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| 14:44 | | * TheWatcher is porting a python 2/GTK2 program to python 3/GTK3, runs into the fact that GTK3 removed the 'gtk_quit_add()' function |
| 14:45 | <@TheWatcher> | Which, naturally, is used in several places in this code |
| 14:45 | <@TheWatcher> | And looking online has caused a number of projects problems. |
| 14:46 | <@TheWatcher> | I was getting quite irritated about it, until I ran into Lennart Poettering complaining bitterly about it... and now I don't care about it causing me any inconvenience at all. |
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| 16:17 | <&[R]> | lol |
| 16:19 | <@TheWatcher> | Me, petty? Never. |
| 16:41 | <@gnolam> | Heh |
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| 19:23 | <&McMartin> | That is a name I don't recognize |
| 19:23 | <&McMartin> | I will however observe that the conflicts between other members of teams I'm on and the GTK devs have been the stuff of legend |
| 19:23 | <&McMartin> | ... to the point of not always advertising which projects I've helped with |
| 19:24 | <&McMartin> | Er, to the point of me, defensively, not... |
| 19:26 | <&[R]> | McMartin: Avahi, NetworkMangler, PulseAudio, systemd, etc... |
| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | Ah. |
| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | Am I the only person on Earth who doesn't despise pulseaudio |
| 19:29 | <&[R]> | Yoss apparently likes it |
| 19:29 | <&McMartin> | ("Yes, because you were the only person who ended up switching to it from esd") |
| 19:30 | <&McMartin> | ("Nobody used esd, so they had no comparison point for prior art in the Linux space.") |
| 19:30 | <&McMartin> | ("Including the esd developers") |
| 19:30 | <&[R]> | Also every firefox dev |
| 19:33 | <&McMartin> | I guess anyone who wants to write software that uses sound and doesn't want to write a separate backend for Linux and BSD |
| 19:34 | <&[R]> | sndio works on Linux |
| 19:40 | <&McMartin> | I suppose it does. I mostly see people just using ALSA directly when they can though. |
| 19:41 | <&[R]> | That's what I do |
| 19:41 | <&[R]> | ALSA is pretty solid (except on Fedora where they did horrible strange things to it) |
| 19:42 | <&[R]> | But Fedora did strange things to Pulse too (for some reason it was launched by something in GNOME) |
| 19:43 | <&McMartin> | Isn't Pulse part of the same umbrella project? |
| 19:43 | <&[R]> | No |
| 19:44 | <&McMartin> | Hm, guess not |
| 19:44 | <&McMartin> | Anyway, a little surprised to hear Fedora has broken ALSA since I'm pretty sure that's the audio driver all my SDL stuff uses on it and it's one of my primary testing platforms |
| 19:45 | <&[R]> | Took me ~3 hours go get ALSA working on Fedora |
| 19:45 | <&[R]> | They set it up to just straight pipe into Pulse |
| 19:45 | <&[R]> | Maybe they undid that nonsense in later versions |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | ... my understanding, which wiki is bascally backing up, is that this is how you're supposed to install Pulse; it's a filter on application level audio input and then it forwards the result to the actual sound hardware |
| 19:47 | <&McMartin> | Which you don't want because you just wanted a mixer, which ALSA already is and which OSS was not |
| 19:57 | <&[R]> | I didn't want because Pulse wouldn't start without GNOME, so I saw ALSA as a quicker alternative (which it was) |
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