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| 02:05 | < catalyst> | so uh |
| 02:05 | < catalyst> | my library is getting 100+ downloads every day now |
| 02:05 | < catalyst> | that's probably a good sign? |
| 02:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | I think so, yes. |
| 02:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | My most popular library, vstruct, has garnered ~3000 downloads in the past three years, so you're going to blow past that pretty quickly. |
| 02:14 | < catalyst> | :o |
| 02:14 | < catalyst> | gosh ^^;; |
| 02:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | (well, based on luarocks; I have no idea how many users just clone it directly from github or download one of the release packages from there. But still, it's been around for a lot longer and has been generally well received and has gotten me questions like "I'm building a stand-alone lua distribution package, is it ok if I bundle your library with it" and I think float_eq is rapidly |
| 02:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | overtaking it in popularity.) |
| 02:18 | < catalyst> | mrr |
| 02:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | So...yes, I think that's a good sign, and it's pretty cool that so many people are interested in it! |
| 02:21 | < catalyst> | yeah! kinda makes me wonder who |
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| 04:25 | <&Reiver> | catalyst: Grats! |
| 04:25 | <&Reiver> | Clearly that initial spike bought Visibility(tm) and it's taken off from there |
| 04:26 | <&Reiver> | Does your library get downloaded by someone using it in software? |
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| 06:07 | <&McMartin> | Gamedev things https://twitter.com/beakfriends/status/1272679479459143680 |
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| 08:21 | < catalyst_> | Reiver: the library's nature means most users will be people writing unit tests |
| 08:24 | <&McMartin> | Speaking of unit tests! |
| 08:24 | <&McMartin> | I have recently become acquainted with the Criterion framework for C: https://github.com/Snaipe/Criterion |
| 08:24 | <&McMartin> | My needs were modest but it served them admirably. |
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| 08:27 | < catalyst_> | looks neat |
| 08:27 | < catalyst_> | I was momentarily confused because criterion in Rust is a benchmarking library |
| 08:31 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, a name like that has googleshields out the proverbial ass |
| 08:33 | < catalyst_> | unit testing libraries in C++ are frustrating because people like making them ridiculously complex APIs for simple things so this looks right up my alley |
| 08:33 | < catalyst_> | though honestly if I never have to write C++ again I'll be glad |
| 08:34 | < catalyst_> | testing frameworks and logging frameworks seem to invite creeping featurism |
| 08:34 | <&McMartin> | Yeah. The C approach has so often been "you don't need a framework, just do shit" and that's frankly too little for my taste. :) |
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| 08:48 | < catalyst_> | rust does tests with literally one function attribute |
| 08:48 | < catalyst_> | sooooo |
| 08:51 | <&McMartin> | I would phrase that as "Rust incorporates its core testing framework and tooling directly into the compiler, or, perhaps, the linker" |
| 08:53 | < catalyst_> | yeah, I'm being disingenuous - a large part of the heavy lifting seems to be in cargo |
| 08:53 | < catalyst_> | so the more reasonable phrase would be that rust incorporates its testing framework into the tooling |
| 08:53 | < catalyst_> | and makes it a first class part of the language |
| 08:53 | < catalyst_> | rather than an obligation on the users |
| 08:54 | < catalyst_> | same with documentation (thank goodness) |
| 08:57 | <&McMartin> | Yeah |
| 08:58 | <&McMartin> | There are many things I will excoriate Java for. |
| 08:58 | <&McMartin> | But making Javadoc a standard expectation for three generations of developers is not one of them |
| 09:25 | < catalyst_> | :D |
| 09:26 | < catalyst_> | it does feel interesting that in rust doc comments are sugar for attributes |
| 09:27 | <&[R]> | How's that work? |
| 09:28 | < catalyst_> | /// Some comment |
| 09:28 | < catalyst_> | gets translated to |
| 09:28 | < catalyst_> | #[doc = "Some comment"] |
| 09:28 | < catalyst_> | and then interpreted by the doc till |
| 09:28 | < catalyst_> | tool* |
| 09:28 | <&[R]> | Ah |
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| 17:35 | <@TheWatcher> | Oh, deary, deary me. |
| 17:36 | <@TheWatcher> | Here we have the humble web developer, obviously a neophyte to the art because he apparently trusts the client |
| 17:36 | <@TheWatcher> | I can tell this because he's doing bugger all server-side validation |
| 17:37 | <@TheWatcher> | I have proceeded to demonstrate to him that "No, it's validated! The user can't get broken values into the system!" is very very wrong, both by adding a lot of junk, and then locking up the database server for good measure |
| 17:38 | <@TheWatcher> | He didn't fall foul of Little Bobby Tables, but that's more by luck than design. |
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