| --- Log opened Mon Oct 07 00:00:18 2019 |
| 00:19 | <@Alek> | people definitely do still play Everquest, yes. |
| 00:19 | <@Alek> | I never did, couldn't afford it when it was in its heyday, nor could I run it or reliably connect. >_> |
| 00:20 | <@Alek> | my first MMO was probably, oh, Phantasy Star Online: Blue Burst. |
| 00:20 | <@Alek> | I was around when it was shutting down, too. :( |
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| 01:37 | | * McMartin writes a script that churns out 3,000 lines of test cases, finds two bugs. |
| 01:37 | < Mahal> | !! |
| 01:38 | <&McMartin> | The thing about writing programs to write programs is that you end up being really careless about things like repeating yourself in the generated code. |
| 01:39 | <&McMartin> | I guess it found three bugs if you count the one it found in its own generator script. |
| 01:51 | <~Vornicus> | pf |
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| 03:11 | | * McMartin finds another bug in his test code, but otherwise has now managed to run through every permutation of use of these data objects. Good stuff. |
| 03:11 | <&McMartin> | I think I'll leave the 3,400-line test script *out* of the repository and just check in the script that generates it and the makefile that invokes that. |
| 03:27 | <&McMartin> | Aaand, just in time! I see Asia team poking at the PRs. |
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| 09:33 | <@TheWatcher> | https://github.com/mxgmn/WaveFunctionCollapse - generate tiles based on an input texture and ideas from quantum mechanics |
| 09:39 | <&Reiver> | ...what |
| 09:39 | <@TheWatcher> | It's pretty damned awesome |
| 09:42 | <~Vorntastic> | Swear this has come up before. But yeah it is super neat |
| 09:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Probably, looks like the original version is from 2016 |
| 09:43 | <@TheWatcher> | But Dera retweated something about it earlier, and I thought it deserved mention here |
| 11:38 | <@sshine> | I'm trying to make 'find' ignore a certain .stack-work/ subdirectory and all of its contents, but https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4210042/how-to-exclude-a-directory-in-find-command doesn't seem to work |
| 11:39 | <@sshine> | e.g.: find ~ -path .stack-work -prune -o -type f |
| 11:39 | <@sshine> | I don't know if it's because it only looks for .stack-work in the outermost directory and not recursively? |
| 11:45 | <@sshine> | ah, never mind. this works: find . -type d \( -name .stack-work -o -name .git \) -prune -o -type f -print |
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| 14:17 | <&[R]> | o.hours = (o.hours || 0) - -job.calcHours() // I love JS' type munging... |
| 15:00 | < Yossarian> | find is a bit of a weirdo utility in my book, perhaps I have not read the manpages closely enough (yet). |
| 15:02 | < Yossarian> | [R]: -job.calcHours() |
| 15:02 | < Yossarian> | why the -? unary minus or ? |
| 15:02 | | * Yossarian having a smoke then jetting off |
| 15:03 | < Yossarian> | oh |
| 15:03 | < Yossarian> | the o.hours || 0 |
| 15:03 | < Yossarian> | I see, lol |
| 15:03 | <&jeroud> | Presumably + would allow string concatenation or something. |
| 15:04 | <&jeroud> | And - - forces numericality or something. |
| 15:04 | < Yossarian> | type promotion is a bit weird in C and C++ but the good news is you can't assume anything, at least, if you don't know the platform |
| 15:05 | < Yossarian> | some cast and munging a bit weird but C99 or any is "I don't know, what's the platform?" |
| 15:05 | < Yossarian> | I imagine the types uintx_s and such are useful |
| 15:05 | < Yossarian> | and more descriptive |
| 15:06 | < Yossarian> | but I hope to write some JS sometime soon :) |
| 15:07 | < Yossarian> | look forward to it though |
| 15:13 | <&jeroud> | Ah, the enthusiasm of youth! |
| 15:20 | < Yossarian> | didn't say I would have head-to-desk moments and wouldn't be flippin my dick once in awhile |
| 15:20 | < Yossarian> | errr LOL ah |
| 15:20 | < Yossarian> | s/dick/desk |
| 15:20 | < Yossarian> | wow |
| 15:20 | < Yossarian> | sorry |
| 15:21 | < Yossarian> | I'll be back later, take care! ~wave~ |
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| 15:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | TheWatcher: that is extremely cool. |
| 15:26 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yossarian: preemptive condolences on your impending experience with javascript. |
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| 17:04 | <&[R]> | <jeroud> Presumably + would allow string concatenation or something. <jeroud> And - - forces numericality or something. <-- ding ding ding |
| 17:08 | <&[R]> | The two features I most want for JS: an int type and the ability to specify a type of an argument (with forced conversion or errors as applicable) |
| 17:09 | <&jeroud> | [R]: I think you've just described Typescript. |
| 17:10 | <&[R]> | I've bad experiences with transpiling |
| 17:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | What sort? |
| 17:11 | <&ToxicFrog> | If it's specifically about debuggability I believe JS supports sourcemaps these days. |
| 17:11 | <&[R]> | Debugging, line-numbers getting all mungled |
| 17:12 | <&[R]> | Reminds me of debuggin IE JS issues |
| 17:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, sourcemaps address that (or are meant to, anyways, I don't know how well they work in practice on big things) |
| 17:13 | <&[R]> | Fair enough, something to look into later |
| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | I also don't know what browser support is like outside of Chrome or how well (if at all) typescript supports them, since all of my experience with them is chrome + cljs |
| 17:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | But the capability exists, at least |
| 17:15 | <&[R]> | I do a ton of stuff in node.js actually |
| 17:15 | <&jeroud> | From what little Typescript I've seen, it appears to be normal JS with type annotations. |
| 17:15 | <&[R]> | That code's from my work maintenance scripts (which are called on the shell) |
| 17:16 | <&jeroud> | (Unlike CoffeeScript, etc.) |
| 17:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | jeroud: yeah, but you still need a compilation pass or the JS parser in the browser will choke on the annotations. |
| 17:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: my few interactions with node.js have been unpleasant and in fact last night's project was reimplementing (in python) a node.js project that had, in the ~3 years since it was released, bit-rotted to the point where it no longer worked at all. |
| 17:17 | <&[R]> | CoffeeScript's actually the main thing that burned me on transpilers |
| 17:17 | <&jeroud> | Sure, but all that needs to do is strip the annotations. If they replace them with whitespace or whatever, any source locations are unchanged. |
| 17:17 | <&ToxicFrog> | True |
| 17:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | (as an added bonus, the python implementation is less than half the size, does more, and has no dependencies outside python3 itself) |
| 17:18 | <&[R]> | TF: It's not that bad. Though code written for 0.x has a chance of not working now (as much of the API changed in 0.x) |
| 17:19 | <&[R]> | Definately not something to focus learning JS in though |
| 17:19 | <&ToxicFrog> | [R]: IIRC this was written for node 6, kind of sort of works in node 8, and doesn't work at all in node 9+ |
| 17:19 | <&[R]> | Hmm, those changes were while I was majorly depressed, so I don't actually know what occured there |
| 17:20 | <&[R]> | Thought 6->8 does ring a bell a little, and I recall having to make a minor change |
| 17:20 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, and I'm not particularly interested in digging into why, the python version works so I'm done there |
| 17:21 | <&ToxicFrog> | (as an added bonus all the single-character variable names have been replaced with something more descriptive, although I can't really blame node for that; I think parts of the source were actually copy-pasted from a minified and then prettyprinted JS file) |
| 17:22 | <&[R]> | Fun fact: JS minification doesn't actually change variable names |
| 17:22 | <&[R]> | Because it can fuck up horribly if it tries |
| 17:23 | <&[R]> | So JS code written to be minified will have one-character variable names already |
| 17:24 | <&[R]> | Unfortunately, since I learned JS with a toolkit that had such a naming convention, it has bled into my own naming scheme (hence "o") |
| 17:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | Er? Every minifier I've seen in the past few years does at least partial variable name reduction |
| 17:29 | <&ToxicFrog> | Typically for locals where it can prove they aren't used outside the function |
| 17:30 | <&[R]> | This was 2010 |
| 17:30 | <&[R]> | At least this is how that codebase was written |
| 17:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah |
| 17:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | Yeah, the state of JS source transformation and transpilation has changed a great deal since then |
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| 20:54 | <@sshine> | I've been hacking on my Linux to make it work neater. update my 2-year-old ConfigurationFiles github repo. this feels good. |
| 20:54 | <@sshine> | I infected most of my standard programs (termite, emacs, chromium) with a solarized-light theme. |
| 20:55 | <@sshine> | I finally got around to adding a login manager (slim; appears to be deprecated, but it's slim and was easy to set up) |
| 20:55 | <@sshine> | also, I updated my .emacs to work with Emacs 26.3. |
| 20:55 | <@sshine> | (it was written mostly for Emacs 24, and it worked in Emacs 25, but it broke with Emacs 26.) |
| 20:56 | <@sshine> | my Xmonad still bugs me out. I wish it wasn't so difficult to get a proper toolbar. |
| 20:57 | <@sshine> | just after installing SLiM, and before changing Xfce back to Xmonad, I started getting these popups from my mail program about appointments since forever. those could be useful. I used to have a popup daemon running in Xmonad, but I had to set it up myself. |
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| 21:22 | | * TheWatcher arghs at his headbones |
| 21:24 | <@TheWatcher> | No, I am not going to fucking remake Sentinel Returns, damnit |
| 21:37 | <&[R]> | slim's deprcated? D: |
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| 21:38 | <&[R]> | Since 2013 |
| 21:38 | <&[R]> | Well, since I'm running wmii (which has had its source purged from the website it came from), I guess it doesn't matter too much |
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| 21:39 | | * TheWatcher eyes it, notes "not fully compatible with systemd", counts that in its favour~ |
| 21:39 | <&[R]> | I was going to make the same joke |
| 21:39 | <&[R]> | Apparently Arch still managed to taint it though |
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