| --- Log opened Thu Aug 01 00:00:27 2019 |
| 00:07 | <&McMartin> | Today in "Python inheriting Lisp's sharp corners" https://pythontips.com/2019/07/30/python-mind-teaser-make-the-function-return-true/ |
| 00:08 | | Kindamoody is now known as Kindamoody[zZz] |
| 00:10 | <&Derakon> | McM: ah, that'd be "find the boundary of where Python stops caching integers and instead creates new ones for you" which IIRC is at 128. |
| 00:11 | | * Derakon reads down. |
| 00:11 | <&Derakon> | OK, I wasn't quite right, but I had the gist. |
| 00:11 | <&McMartin> | Or, in Common Lisp terms |
| 00:11 | <&McMartin> | "This is why EQ and EQL are different functions, you bastards" |
| 00:12 | <&Derakon> | I like "is" vs "==". |
| 00:12 | <&Derakon> | I feel like it does a decent job of differentiating without being verbose. |
| 00:28 | <&McMartin> | Yeah, in Scheme it's "eq?" vs "=" |
| 00:28 | <&McMartin> | But := lost the war in the algoloids. |
| 00:33 | <~Vornicus> | meanwhile, in Python 3.8 |
| 00:33 | <~Vornicus> | https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0572/ |
| 00:58 | <@sshine> | learning Google OAuth2 through an undocumented Perl library makes my heart bleed. |
| 01:00 | <@sshine> | what spare time projects are you guys doing lately? |
| 01:00 | <&McMartin> | Not nearly enough~ |
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| 01:02 | <&McMartin> | But my "should be working on" projects: (1) Ophis modernization project; (2) UQM modernization project; (3) Improving some of the emulation accuracy in the VICE emulator for machines that aren't ones I own; (4) some pseudonymous ROM-hacking that may or may not go anywhere; (5) More demonstration code for my more legit retrocoding ambitions; (6) Organization and cleanup of my five years of retrocoding |
| 01:02 | <&McMartin> | writings |
| 01:03 | <&[R]> | <sshine> what spare time projects are you guys doing lately? <-- rewritting all of my work automation shit |
| 01:03 | <&[R]> | I made the decision to initally write it in xs, as I was learning the language |
| 01:04 | <&[R]> | But xs' limitations are brutal |
| 01:04 | <@sshine> | xs? |
| 01:04 | <&[R]> | Though, the one I'm hitting is actually the same as bash |
| 01:04 | <&[R]> | It's a shell |
| 01:04 | <&[R]> | https://github.com/TieDyedDevil/XS |
| 01:05 | <&[R]> | Lack of 2-dimensional arrays, and lack of any kind of structured data (hash-table for example) is just brutal |
| 01:07 | <&[R]> | Though in many respects it was nice to code in it than bash |
| 01:08 | <@sshine> | the only new language I've been digging into this year has been 'jq'. |
| 01:08 | <&[R]> | jq is really akward to use |
| 01:08 | <&[R]> | I wish the man page actually had an example section of common shit you'd use it for |
| 01:08 | <@sshine> | yes |
| 01:09 | <@sshine> | do you find that there are better DSLs to query/transform JSON? |
| 01:09 | <@sshine> | I started writing a jq tutorial just so I could learn it. |
| 01:09 | <&[R]> | I work mostly with node.js, so... |
| 01:09 | <@sshine> | basically: every time I come up with a non-trivial problem, the manual doesn't help me much, and I struggle and document it, hoping I'll eventually be able to use my own tutorial to compose solutions to larger problems. |
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| 01:41 | <&ToxicFrog> | sshine: Nix packaging for CrossFire, getting Lua to run in Bitburner |
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| 05:15 | <&[R]> | $ [ -z ''^'' ] && { echo xs; }; [ -n ''^'' ] && { echo bash; } |
| 05:15 | <&[R]> | bash |
| 05:15 | <&[R]> | ; [ -z ''^'' ] && { echo xs; }; [ -n ''^'' ] && { echo bash; } |
| 05:15 | <&[R]> | xs |
| 05:15 | <&[R]> | \o/ |
| 05:16 | <&[R]> | Then instead of an echo, I just source the full lib |
| 05:18 | <&[R]> | (For the curious, to xs, ''^'' is the concatenation of two empty strings. To bash it's a single carret) |
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| 06:21 | | * McMartin does battle with libpng |
| 06:22 | | * [R] just did a major feature update for his meta utility |
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| --- Log closed Fri Aug 02 00:00:28 2019 |