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| --- Day changed Fri Jul 12 2019 |
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| 00:09 | <&jeroud> | Learning is good. As long as you get a break from it every now and then. |
| 00:12 | <&jeroud> | (As much as I like learning stuff, I also like not floundering about in the dark trying to meet someone else's crazy deadline with some other people's terrible software.) |
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| 00:16 | < Mahal> | there are definitely limit. |
| 00:16 | < Mahal> | *limits |
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| 04:14 | | * Derakon grmbles at Unity. |
| 04:14 | <&Derakon> | Problem: shells are being fired straight up. https://i.imgur.com/NbOXEuH.png |
| 04:14 | <&Derakon> | Code that fires those shells: https://pastebin.com/ggL8nass |
| 04:15 | <&Derakon> | AddRelativeForce should be applying a force to the shell in their local coordinate system. I do not know why it is launching them straight up instead. |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | Feh. Got it working finally. What a pain. |
| 04:18 | <&Derakon> | (use p.transform.up instead of (0, 1, 0) as the vector; I guess AddRelativeForce doesn't convert from world to local coordinates despite the name) |
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| 04:48 | <@Reiv> | Well, now you know! |
| 04:51 | | * McMartin laughs at this tweet and its replies https://twitter.com/tsmullaney/status/1149113095463157760 |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | I'd say that this is almost in my wheelhouse but (a) I don't think professional obligations would permit this and (b) one of the people in that thread replying is Garry Frickin' Kitchen |
| 04:52 | <&McMartin> | Old-school Activision dev who wrote the toolkits I used as a child when *I* was learning to program |
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| 08:24 | <&McMartin> | https://i.imgur.com/gn8XwjC.jpg |
| 08:24 | <&McMartin> | I assume this is a 'shop |
| 09:02 | <~Vorntastic> | Wat |
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| 09:50 | <@TheWatcher> | https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/5odtn7/hdmi_to_h20/ - not necessarily a 'shop, possibly gag gift |
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| 16:43 | <&[R]> | "The first step in debugging is to understand that computers always do exactly what you tell them to." |
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| 17:34 | <&jerith> | [R]: I wish that were actually the case. :-/ |
| 17:36 | <&jerith> | In my experience, there's frequently "[...] unless someone else has told them to do something different." |
| 17:43 | <&[R]> | Well, you told it to run their code |
| 17:44 | <&[R]> | So in essence, you're telling it to do what they told it to do, so it doing what they told it to do is also what you told it to do. |
| 17:45 | <&jerith> | Do you include "the machine ships with code preinstalled" in "you're telling it to run that code"? |
| 17:47 | <&[R]> | Yes |
| 17:49 | <&jerith> | I don't think that's a particularly useful viewpoint in modern computing. :-/ |
| 17:50 | <&[R]> | Run things that do less stupid things |
| 17:50 | <&jerith> | Although if you accept that definition it is *technically* correct. |
| 17:51 | <&jerith> | [R]: Start by designing the hardware and then the writing the OS and system libraries, etc? |
| 17:52 | <&[R]> | I trust the hardware and bases of *NIX systems enough, generally they don't try to be "helpful" (read: moronic) |
| 17:53 | <&jerith> | You and I have apparently been using very different *NIX systems. |
| 17:54 | <&[R]> | Which one has broken libc or syscalls? |
| 17:58 | <&jerith> | Lots of broken network stuff all over the place. |
| 18:00 | <&jerith> | Mostly in oscure corners that don't matter at all until you're trying to route traffic between containers on different hosts, and then it's deadly. |
| 18:02 | <&jerith> | More to the point, most OS/distros these days have dozens of services running by default with very little clear indication of what they do and why they're necessary. |
| 18:04 | <&[R]> | That's why I specifically said "base" |
| 18:04 | <&jerith> | Also, signal handling and propagation. |
| 18:04 | <&[R]> | Because there's so much fucking crap |
| 18:04 | <&jerith> | Yes, that's exactly my point. |
| 18:05 | <&jerith> | And it's utterly infeasible to get rid of the crap if you want to remain at all compatible with using other people's software. |
| 18:08 | <&jerith> | I'm probably overreacting a bit here, because I've spent most of the past year (and much of the previous decade) trying to build robust systems out of mostly existing software. |
| 18:16 | <&jerith> | Maybe I should look for a "therapy" project. Something complex enough to be interesting, but relying only tools and libraries that are known to be high quality and appropriate for the task at hand. |
| 19:10 | <~Vornicus> | I recommend Not Geometry |
| 19:10 | <~Vornicus> | because I goddamn hate geometry now |
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