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| 11:10 | | * Reiver trawls about for anyone who might happen to be awake and who has an interest in home media server tech. |
| 11:11 | <&Reiver> | Any suggestions on a windows platform? I had a look at Plex, which looked great... right up til it turns out to do anything useful at all, it's five bucks a month. Which, y'know, I'm not that desperate for. -_- |
| 11:13 | <@TheWatcher> | IS there a version of Kodi for windows? |
| 11:13 | <@TheWatcher> | Hm, there is |
| 11:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Might be worth giving that a try |
| 11:14 | <&Reiver> | Halfway decent, is it? |
| 11:15 | <@TheWatcher> | I've heard good things about it - I've never used any media server gubbins mesel, but I know a couple of people who run Kodi at home (on linux boxen, but *shrug*) |
| 11:20 | | * Reiver nods |
| 11:20 | <&Reiver> | I'll take a look into it, cheers |
| 11:22 | <&Reiver> | huh, it's even in the Windows Store |
| 11:22 | <&Reiver> | Guess I'll make my first 'purchase', then, just for shits and giggles~ |
| 11:23 | <@TheWatcher> | You can get an app for your phone to control it from there, too |
| 11:51 | <&Reiver> | in theory, yes |
| 11:52 | <&Reiver> | In practice, I now need to troubleshoot why my phone is getting 'not permitted' when trying to reach my main PC share |
| 11:52 | <&Reiver> | ie: Oh god, I have to work out how to configure a windows LAN again don't I |
| 11:52 | | * Reiver screams and dies. |
| 11:52 | <&Reiver> | Maybe some other time. Was worth a shot, though, cheers. |
| 11:52 | <&Reiver> | (I guess this is why Plex gets away with charging money for making the network mumbo jumbo seamless.) |
| 11:53 | | * TheWatcher patpats |
| 12:02 | <@TheWatcher> | But networks are easy!~ |
| 12:05 | <&Reiver> | Oh thank god |
| 12:05 | <&Reiver> | I'm so glad you just volunteered to help~ |
| 12:05 | <~Vorntastic> | |
| 12:10 | <@TheWatcher> | So just randomly, Reiv, what make's your router? >.> |
| 12:13 | <&Reiver> | pft |
| 12:13 | <&Reiver> | Cheeky bugger :p |
| 12:13 | <&Reiver> | Probably easily hackable tho, I dunno |
| 12:13 | <@TheWatcher> | O:) |
| 12:13 | <&Reiver> | A ... Fritzbox? |
| 12:14 | <&Reiver> | I could also offer you actual credentials or something :p |
| 12:14 | <&Reiver> | I do not generally leave my router available from the outside world (And to its credit, it even had this default to /off/, what sorcery is this) but... |
| 12:14 | <&Reiver> | man, I used to be good at this |
| 12:14 | <@TheWatcher> | Naaah, not a good idea |
| 12:15 | <&Reiver> | But I used to be good at this when my PC ran Windows 2000 after its most bleeding edge upgrade |
| 12:15 | <&Reiver> | This was, you understand, away from Windows 98 Pro or whatever the fuck it was called |
| 12:15 | <&Reiver> | god, I am old and decrepit |
| 12:15 | | * TheWatcher offers his cane? |
| 12:16 | <&Reiver> | And my usual method of letting TF solve everything through the Power Of Linux isn't an option any more because poor Maple got dropped and hasn't turned on since ;_; |
| 12:16 | <@TheWatcher> | Woe! |
| 12:16 | <&Reiver> | (For clarity: Not my usual method of fixing everything, my usual method of letting people go mad on my network from external sources) |
| 12:17 | <&Reiver> | (Though TF is, admittedly, an absolute freakin' sorceror at this stuff too, which is only to be expected of one who has mastered The Way Of The Penguin) |
| 12:17 | <&Reiver> | (Wheras we poor muggles... oh, you know. Muddle along.) |
| 12:20 | <&Reiver> | meh |
| 12:20 | <&Reiver> | thought I had it for a moment there |
| 12:20 | <&Reiver> | I didn't |
| 12:21 | | * Reiver gives up for the night. Now understands why Plex charges people five bucks a month to access /their own files/, waugh. |
| 12:21 | <&Reiver> | I mean, I'm refusing on principle, there is convinience taxes and then there is that kind of hot garbage right there, but |
| 12:21 | <@TheWatcher> | And honestly, there's no guarantee plex'd be any easier |
| 12:23 | <&Reiver> | nope |
| 12:23 | <&Reiver> | I installedi t on my pc, set it up in my browser, and installed the app on my phone |
| 12:24 | <&Reiver> | It then cheerfully and immediately found the server file, offered up my movies and shows, and streamed 60second demos of anything I damn well wanted until the nag window popped up -_- |
| 12:25 | <@TheWatcher> | Blegh |
| 12:42 | <&Reiver> | yup |
| 12:42 | <&Reiver> | Proof that it /could/ work! |
| 12:42 | <&Reiver> | Because it /did/ work! |
| 12:42 | <&Reiver> | But when I use the free software, noooo |
| 12:42 | <&Reiver> | I need to work out... configs or something to make the network shares work right. Bleh. |
| 12:42 | <@TheWatcher> | Probably, yeah. |
| 12:43 | <&Reiver> | I am a little sad that it does not actually grant me the option to be "Yeah, this media server entirely feeds off <<this one over here>>" |
| 12:43 | <&Reiver> | Because then provided it could /find/ said media server I would need no more config, but I don't see Kodi having such an option |
| 12:43 | | * Reiver mumbles |
| 12:46 | <@TheWatcher> | System -> settings, serbices, UPnP/DLNA, enable remote control via UPnP? |
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| 12:49 | <@TheWatcher> | and turn on "look for remote upnp players"? |
| 13:09 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiver: Plex free is what we run here and it's fine for our purposes, but we also have no interest in streaming to tablets/phones |
| 13:10 | <&Reiver> | ah, hello ToxicFrog! |
| 13:10 | <&Reiver> | Yeah, my main goal here was to get something usable for Orthia to stream her TV shows to her phone tbh |
| 13:10 | <&Reiver> | With Maples' death we're a bit stuck on non-PC entertainment systems :/ |
| 13:11 | <&Reiver> | I guess Plex works fine if you're just using it PC to PC? |
| 13:11 | <&Reiver> | Maybe we should just stump up and buy her a new system. But we've been trying really hard to save for our kitchen. |
| 13:11 | <&Reiver> | Honestly, we only needed Maple to live another three or four months, dangit, but the poor thing got dropped >_< |
| 13:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | More thoughts on 30 minutes when I have keyboard |
| 13:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | More thoughts in 30 when I have keyboard |
| 13:14 | <&Reiver> | all good |
| 13:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | L |
| 13:27 | <&Reiver> | ...actually, on furhter inspection of my illness, I will be hitting the sack prematurely. I will be back later to check out comments, however, so feel free to talk async while I slep. |
| 13:27 | | * Reiver does, in fact, now slep. |
| 13:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | Reiver: ok, so. The main thing with kodi/xbmc/libreelec is that it's just a client; there's no server component. Anything you want to play with it needs to be accessible as a file somewhere. If your server is running windows this basically means you either need to use windows file sharing or you need to install an httpd or sshd and set one of those up for http/sftp access. |
| 13:52 | <&ToxicFrog> | The windows file sharing approach is doable and I did it at home for a while (albeit with a linux server), but like all things SMB related it's a gigantic pain in the ass. |
| 13:59 | <&ToxicFrog> | As for Plex...there's a bunch of things going on here. |
| 14:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | Plex on its own is a media server. It comes with a built in web UI and there are various clients that will connect to it. It also reports as a standard UPnP and DLNA server, so you can use generic clients for that too. |
| 14:00 | <&ToxicFrog> | There's basically three tiers -- "unclaimed", "claimed", and "plex pass". |
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| 14:01 | <&ToxicFrog> | Unclaimed is running the server without a login or Plex account. It's completely unauthenticated (although you can put it behind an authenticating reverse proxy with a bit of fiddling). You can only access it from your LAN (although, again, that can be worked around with a reverse proxy). |
| 14:02 | <&ToxicFrog> | Claimed is running it with a free plex account. Authentication is handled inside plex and you can access it from anywhere using a plex client and your plex account -- this doesn't make the UPnP/DLNA part globally accessible. |
| 14:03 | <&ToxicFrog> | Plex Pass is the $5/mo subscription and unlocks a bunch of pointless bullshit, plus a few genuinely useful features; most notably the ability to watch and record broadcast TV (if you have the interface hardware for it) and the ability to sync media to other devices for offline play inside the plex app. |
| 14:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | All the plex clients are free except the mobile (android, iOS, and windows mobile) ones, which (as you've already found out) are limited to 60s previews. You don't need Plex Pass to use them, though -- you can also pay a one-time unlock fee per app. |
| 14:04 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you have Plex Pass they get unlocked as long as you're subscribed whether you've paid the one-time unlock or not. |
| 14:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | It is worth noting that these clients are not the only way to access a Plex server. |
| 14:05 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you're on the LAN, you can use any DLNA/UPnP client. The UI won't be as nice as plex and it won't sync what-I've-watched/how-much-I've-watched information, but if you just want to watch some videos it works fine. |
| 14:06 | <&ToxicFrog> | So you can just install plex on the server -- no need to even register a plex account -- and then install bubbleUPnP or whatever on the phone/tablet and it should automatically detect the server and stream from it without restriction. |
| 14:08 | <&ToxicFrog> | You can also just access the plex web UI from any mobile browser, and with a reverse proxy this works even if you're accessing it remotely. |
| 14:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | So, if your use case is just "stream from server to phone within the same house" -- install plex, use the browser or bubbleUPNP on the phone, you're good to go. |
| 14:10 | <&ToxicFrog> | If you want to stream to the phone from anywhere you'll need nginx and stuff, and I can help you with setup for that since I've already done the legwork of figuring out what incantations it needs. |
| 14:12 | <&ToxicFrog> | Re "provided it could /find/ said media server I would need no more config, but I don't see Kodi having such an option" -- as TheWatcher pointed out, Kodi does support UPnP/DLNA, so if you have such a server running you can also use Kodi as a client, and if you like Kodi's UI this may be easier than setting up SMB -- but you need to actually have the server first. |
| 14:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | As noted Plex will act as one; if you don't care about the web UI/out-of-house access there's also the windows built in DLNA server: https://www.howtogeek.com/215400/how-to-turn-your-computer-into-a-dlna-media-server/ |
| 14:13 | <&ToxicFrog> | Ok, I think that's everything. |
| 14:14 | <@TheWatcher> | (In which it becomes patent that TF runs a media server, and TW has never bothered trying~) |
| 14:14 | <&ToxicFrog> | TheWatcher: I have run several different media servers over the years, and they all sucked immense amounts of ass |
| 14:15 | <@TheWatcher> | Bleegh :/ |
| 14:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | In my experience Plex required the most setup to get everything working the way I wanted (although part of that was due to a bloody-minded refusal to sign up for a plex account while still wanting remote play) but now that it's set up is by far the most capable option. |
| 14:16 | <&ToxicFrog> | In particular on-the-fly transcoding and subtitle burning is fantastic. |
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| 15:18 | <&ToxicFrog> | In completely unrelated news, I bring you https://i.imgur.com/JbI09Tx.jpg |
| 15:21 | <~Vornicus> | Fetwgrkifg |
| 15:21 | <~Vornicus> | How to tell your computer is boned: that. |
| 15:21 | <@ErikMesoy> | That looks ridicudgus. |
| 15:32 | <@sshine> | hah. |
| 15:36 | <&ToxicFrog> | (the underlying problem was bad VRAM forcing one bit in every word) |
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| 17:24 | <&McMartin> | The alignment seems inconsistent |
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| 18:08 | <&McMartin> | It also implies that Wandows itself was totally ngrmad and fane. |
| 18:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | McMartin: inconsistent how? |
| 18:24 | <&ToxicFrog> | I have no idea what the state of wandows was after booting. |
| 18:27 | <&McMartin> | ToxicFrog: I'm skeptical of "every word" because there's no word length I can come up with that accounts for the displayed errors. |
| 18:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | It's every 4th byte. |
| 18:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | Every 4th byte (as in, 1 bit in every 32) has 0x08 forced off. |
| 18:28 | <&ToxicFrog> | This is machine word, not text word. |
| 18:29 | <&McMartin> | Yes, I know |
| 18:29 | <&McMartin> | Also one bit in every 64 |
| 18:29 | <&McMartin> | That screen mode alternates text bytes with color bytes. |
| 18:29 | <&McMartin> | I think I miscounted a character in one line and got "this one is six bytes off instead of eight" |
| 18:32 | <&ToxicFrog> | Aah, I didn't know that. Neat. |
| 18:35 | <&McMartin> | It's got an excessively programmable line counter/frame timer too, which is IIRC broadly speaking also how you used to be able to get X Windows to set monitors on fire |
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| 18:39 | <&ToxicFrog> | `xrandr --delmonitor` suddenly looks a lot more ominous~ |
| 18:40 | <&McMartin> | Heh |
| 18:40 | <&McMartin> | No, it was overdriving vsync and especially hsync you wanted to watch out for~ |
| 22:12 | <@TheWatcher> | https://store.steampowered.com/app/1098840/ZACHLIKE/ - might be of interest to those here. Free. |
| 22:15 | <&McMartin> | Indeed! |
| 22:19 | <~Vornicus> | v. |
| 22:21 | <&[R]> | Minimum 4GB of RAM needed for documents? |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | Have you tried opening a PDF in Firefox lately |
| 22:22 | <&[R]> | 1.4GB of space I could sort of see |
| 22:22 | <&[R]> | Yes, I've had 10+ open in the same instance |
| 22:22 | <&McMartin> | (More seriously I just assume he didn't change some default value) |
| 22:23 | <@TheWatcher> | And there's a bunch of games in there, which might be using more ram |
| 22:26 | <&[R]> | Oh, I thought it was a book about those old games |
| 22:26 | <@TheWatcher> | That too |
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