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| 04:26 | <@Alek> | https://i.imgur.com/E5V26EV.jpg |
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| 10:46 | <@abudhabi> | Alek: Pft. |
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| 17:48 | | * iospace flails |
| 17:48 | <@iospace> | SO I HAVE A SKYPE INTERVIEW FRIDAY D: |
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| 17:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | aaaaaaaa |
| 17:54 | <&ToxicFrog> | good luck |
| 18:13 | <@Alek> | good luck! |
| 18:14 | <@Alek> | and remember, wear your best shirt and jacket, but you don't need pants as long as you stay sitting down and aim the camera higher. :P |
| 18:14 | <@iospace> | thanks |
| 18:14 | <@iospace> | I'll probably be in our sun room |
| 18:19 | <@iospace> | so pants will likely be worn to be safe! |
| 18:19 | <@iospace> | but no fancy shoes or socks likely :P |
| 18:30 | <&jerith> | Wear your best silly socks. |
| 18:33 | <@TheWatcher> | I have an interview tomorrow, although that one's in-person |
| 18:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Taken leave of my senses, and applied for a technical operations manager job |
| 18:34 | <&McMartin> | That sounds like you should have not merely pants but trousers then |
| 18:34 | <@TheWatcher> | Full suit, in fact |
| 18:34 | <&jerith> | I should probably update my CV and arrange an interview or two. |
| 19:49 | | * McMartin amuses at the TIOBE index, which has Assembly language in the top 10 again. |
| 19:50 | <&McMartin> | (It's an index of "language popularity" based on how much content churn there is on the Internet about them, which is... a not-completely-useless metric but isn't measuring something that you usually want to deploy in flame wars.) |
| 19:51 | <&McMartin> | (I use it for "how often do people have to/choose to contend with it, and "have to" is almost certainly why asm is always pretty well-ranked. There will always be students.) |
| 20:08 | <&jerith> | My two languages of choice are currently at 34 and >50. |
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| 21:41 | <@TheWatcher> | Mine are are at 3 and 14, although the ones I need to deal with on a regular basis are 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, 18, 33, and 43 >.< |
| 21:41 | <&McMartin> | Heh. |
| 21:42 | <&McMartin> | "The ones I need to deal with on a regular basis" is what drives the rinkings there, so that grouping is why I do like to check in on their new rankings each month |
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| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | Ah, StackOverflow's rankings are out too, for things that people are trendy/wistful/annoyed about. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/04/developers-love-python-and-typescript-get-paid-for-clojure-and-arent-using-blockchain/ |
| 22:19 | <&McMartin> | "If I were not a member of the media, and hence bound to be impartial and opinion-free, I would complain that Go is a poorly designed language that ignores some 40 years of proven language design to leave us with something that has all the expressive power of C, and it's utterly bereft of taste to boot." |
| 22:24 | <@TheWatcher> | Not wrong, either. |
| 22:25 | <&McMartin> | I am also relieved to see that the potholed link under "40 years of proven language design" was not "Simula-like object system" but rather "generics" |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | 3, 7, 9 for me. Not sure if bash is listed, but I suspect that xs is very much not in the top 50 |
| 22:32 | <&[R]> | ... wait, why is SQL listed? |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | Bourne shell is in the 51-100 range |
| 22:32 | <&McMartin> | SQL is listed because it was recently re-added after it was pointed out that it matches their standards for "a programming language" |
| 22:33 | <&[R]> | But no-one actually uses it as such D: |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | ... yes they do? |
| 22:33 | <&McMartin> | Like, this is a weaker condition than the one they use, but, like |
| 22:34 | <&McMartin> | If a human tells another human, "hey, I need our computers to tell me these things", that other human then goes and encodes the request into a form that can be processed to fetch it, using a runtime |
| 22:34 | <&McMartin> | That runtime is powered by a SQL interpretation engine |
| 22:34 | <&McMartin> | And yes, people totally use SQL directly |
| 22:35 | <&McMartin> | And the TIOBE index in particular is people offering courses/asking questions on stack overflow/etc/etc about use of SQL |
| 22:36 | <&McMartin> | And it's also Turing-complete, but I'm not convinced that's really a requirement to count (viz. Datalog isn't) |
| 22:36 | <&[R]> | I thought the definition would've been the turing completeness |
| 22:36 | <&McMartin> | Nah, that's not sufficient, because then sendmail.cf would count. |
| 22:37 | <&McMartin> | I'm reading you as objecting that SQL is not a programming language in which one implements complete, shipped applications |
| 22:38 | <&McMartin> | That's definitely overconstraining. |
| 22:38 | <&[R]> | I'm more objecting to a definition where SQL is being used for its turing complesness |
| 22:38 | <&[R]> | completeness* |
| 22:39 | <&McMartin> | "The index can be used to check whether your programming skills are still up to date or to make a strategic decision about what programming language should be adopted when starting to build a new software system." |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | It's being used because it's Turing complete and explicitly presents itself as a programming language |
| 22:40 | <&McMartin> | It's a DSL, but that's not disqualifying. |
| 22:40 | <&[R]> | Hmm |
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| 22:41 | <&McMartin> | (Datalog fails the first criterion, sendmail.cf the second.) |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | Oh wait |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | Bash is in fact on this list, separate from Bourne Shell. It's at #43, just above TypeScript. |
| 22:42 | <&[R]> | Heh |
| 22:42 | <&McMartin> | ... which was number 2 on Stack Overflow's list |
| 22:53 | <&[R]> | ... TeX is listed? |
| 22:53 | <&[R]> | I mean, I get that people ask for help with it |
| 22:54 | <&[R]> | Hmm, batch is listed, but I'm not seeing cmdlets |
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