code logs -> 2019 -> Wed, 06 Mar 2019< code.20190305.log - code.20190307.log >
--- Log opened Wed Mar 06 00:00:55 2019
00:11 Derakon[AFK] is now known as Derakon
00:28
<&McMartin>
Ugh.
00:28
<&McMartin>
That feeling when the only extant emulator for some system you are marginally interested in turns out to be a Java applet >_<
00:49 celmin|away is now known as celticminstrel
00:50
<&ToxicFrog>
As in, only-runs-in-the-browser Java?
01:01
<&McMartin>
That appears to be the case, but I now see that there is a .jar inside the source zip
01:01
<&McMartin>
I'm not incredibly keen on the emulator being in ordinary Java either, truth be told
01:13
<~Vorntastic>
What system is this
01:13
<&McMartin>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exidy_Sorcerer
01:14
<&McMartin>
Notable for having a full VIC-20 style programmable character set and a 512x240 display in 1978
01:14
<&McMartin>
And costing a lot less than an Apple II
01:15
<&McMartin>
Also notable for being the first or at least one of the first computers an Old Nightstar Hermit owned, so it would be amusing to port some of my ZX81 stuff to it, basically
01:55
<~Vornicus>
which hermit was this
01:56
<&McMartin>
Just a guy who's a regular in exactly one channel but has been here since the DalNet migration. You share no channels with him
01:57
<&McMartin>
And I'll keep their name out of the publically logged channel to respect that~
01:59
<&Reiver>
tis fair
02:12
<@Alek>
the migration... I vaguely remember that, I think.
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10:20 * McMartin heads to bed after committing a variety of Z80 crimes
10:22
<@TheWatcher>
We currently have a student trying to build a Z80 in a xylinx FPGA.
10:22
<@TheWatcher>
Which isn't as impressive as the one that built an entire BBC micro in one, but hey (that guy now works for ARM)
10:24
<&McMartin>
Over the weekend I found what should have been a neat board game for the ZX81
10:25
<&McMartin>
Except it was comically ineptly implemented, so now I'm designing a proper implementation and doing it in machine code so it only runs kind of slowly instead of horrifically glacially
10:25
<&McMartin>
And Sinclair BASIC is... not very dense. There are two related versions which were printed individually, and I've got all the init and display code done, and you can mode-switch between the two
10:25
<&McMartin>
And it's half the size of the BASIC init/display code for either alone.
10:25
<&McMartin>
But there were crimes committed along the way, oh yes
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12:12
<~Vornicus>
what's this board game
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14:28
<@TheWatcher>
Aah, jenkins, you CPU and RAM hog...
14:54 * Vornicus fiddles with Excel
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17:43
<&[R]>
I'm sorry to hear that V, I hope you get better
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19:15
<~Vornicus>
huh. micosoft has open sourced Calculator
19:22
< catalyst>
gosh
19:23
< catalyst>
maybe if they open source notepad someone can fix the bug in it
19:25
<~Vornicus>
https://github.com/Microsoft/calculator
19:45
< Degi>
Which bug?
19:46
< Degi>
Notepad editor or stikynot?
20:06
<&Reiver>
I just don't understand why Notepad still lacks the ability to restorte after reboot
20:06
<&Reiver>
If you make a core feature of your OS the idea that it smoothly reboots without your permission half the time, it might be nice if the comes-shipped-with-it software can handle that fact
20:26
<@abudhabi>
Man, I'm a fan of Radix LSD In-Place Sort (the base 10 version) now. The loudest sort. :D
20:42
<&Reiver>
whut
20:44
<~Vornicus>
loud?
20:44
<@abudhabi>
Reiver: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlvBsYyGIDo
20:44
<~Vornicus>
ah
20:44
<@abudhabi>
The one I said is around 17 minutes in.
20:44
<@abudhabi>
And this isn't even the loudest I've heard it work.
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20:47
<@abudhabi>
This is a better one: https://youtu.be/y9Ecb43qw98?t=220
21:17 McMartin [mcmartin@Nightstar-rpcdbf.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #code
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21:17
<&McMartin>
Vornicus: The kind where you move pieces diagonally on a board and capture by jumping
21:17
<&McMartin>
I do not dignify it with "checkers variant" even though they'd like to, since they lack both huffing and multiple jumps, both of which I consider pretty crucial to the basic game
21:18
<&McMartin>
Also irc.nightstar.net isn't working for me and irssi has gotten very confused as a result
21:21
<~Vornicus>
huffing?
21:23
< ErikMesoy>
Loss of piece if you don't perform a possible capture.
21:23
<&McMartin>
"Capturing is mandatory, and if you do not take a capture available to you, your opponent may point this out and remove the piece from the board that could have done it"
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21:30
<&McMartin>
Aha, there we go
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21:33
<~Vornicus>
I didn't know there was a penalty
21:33
<&McMartin>
I think there has to be one if your opponent engineers a position where you have two simultaneous available captures
21:34
<&McMartin>
Moving a piece under threat in a way that causes a discovered attack or something
21:35
<~Vornicus>
rather:
21:35
<~Vornicus>
I knew that it was mandatory to, if a capture is available to be taken, to perform a capture
21:36 * TheWatcher readsup
21:36
<~Vornicus>
I thought this was mandatory in the same way as, for instance, not putting yourself into check is mandatory in chess
21:36
<@TheWatcher>
catalyst: there is a simple fix for all the bugs in notepad - install notepad++~
21:38
<~Vornicus>
I do not believe it makes sense to enfoce a "didn't take an available capture" penalty if there was a choice of multiple captures and you picked one, so
21:40
<&McMartin>
I don't know if it's still true but I distinctly recall that at least during the Win3.1 and Win9x era Notepad was literally an empty application shell with the main widget being a stock text-edit-field widget, and some perfunctory menus for loading/saving/configuring
21:40
<~Vornicus>
yep
21:42
<&[R]>
<catalyst> maybe if they open source notepad someone can fix the bug in it <-- the one where it chokes on \n files but wordpad doesn't?
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21:54 * Vornicus watches anno's thing. still has no idea how the fuck a bitonic sort works
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